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  • gftChrisG gftChris

    @the-gipper said:

    It would help better to put these guys side by side rather than one under the other.

    Yeah, but the formatting is terrible. If we could put table in I would.

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    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @gftchris said:

    Yeah, but the formatting is terrible. If we could put table in I would.

    There is a way to do it. I will start it off for you:

    First Rounders.............................................Rest of the World

    QB Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck..............Tom Brady, Russell Wilson

    RB A Peterson, M. Lynch...........................McCoy, J. Charles

    etc. etc. and on from there.

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      @gftchris said:

      Yeah, but the formatting is terrible. If we could put table in I would.

      There is a way to do it. I will start it off for you:

      First Rounders.............................................Rest of the World

      QB Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck..............Tom Brady, Russell Wilson

      RB A Peterson, M. Lynch...........................McCoy, J. Charles

      etc. etc. and on from there.

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      gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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      @the-gipper said:

      There is a way to do it. I will start it off for you:

      First Rounders.............................................Rest of the World

      QB Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck..............Tom Brady, Russell Wilson

      RB A Peterson, M. Lynch...........................McCoy, J. Charles

      etc. etc. and on from there.

      Ugh, those are terrible to read and a pain to format. But better to have them side by side still, I guess.

      We need to get table functionality on here, BB Codes exist already - who's the webmonkey?

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        gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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        Now with modified formatting...

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          Quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl starts.

          How many first rounders do you see?

          Tom Brady

          John Elway

          Terry Bradshaw

          Joe Montana

          Roger Staubach

          Jim Kelly

          Troy Aikman

          Bob Griese

          Ben Roethlisberger

          Kurt Warner

          Peyton Manning

          Fran Tarkenton

          Bart Starr

          Jim Plunkett

          Eli Manning

          Len Dawson

          Joe Theismann

          Brett Favre

          Craig Morton

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            Winning Super Bowl quarterbacks have been drafted in the first round 55.3 percent of the time (29.8 percent with the first overall pick). Of the 45 quarterbacks taken in the traditional NFL draft, the average selection spot is 54.9.

            Some interesting info on the topic: http://www.nfl.com/superbowlchamps/quarterbacks

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              Quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl starts.

              How many first rounders do you see?

              Tom Brady

              John Elway

              Terry Bradshaw

              Joe Montana

              Roger Staubach

              Jim Kelly

              Troy Aikman

              Bob Griese

              Ben Roethlisberger

              Kurt Warner

              Peyton Manning

              Fran Tarkenton

              Bart Starr

              Jim Plunkett

              Eli Manning

              Len Dawson

              Joe Theismann

              Brett Favre

              Craig Morton

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              The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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              @txdawg said:

              Quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl starts.

              How many first rounders do you see?

              Tom Brady #199

              John Elway him

              Terry Bradshaw him

              Joe Montana 3rd round

              Roger Staubach late round...not available for 5 years.

              Jim Kelly him

              Troy Aikman him

              Bob Griese lower round

              Ben Roethlisbergerhim

              Kurt Warner UDFA

              Peyton Manning him

              Fran Tarkenton like 3rd round

              Bart Starr 17th round

              Jim Plunkett him

              Eli Manning him

              Len Dawson not sure...lower round

              Joe Theismann like 3rd round

              Brett Favre second round

              Craig Morton lower round.

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                @txdawg said:

                Quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl starts.

                How many first rounders do you see?

                Tom Brady #199

                John Elway him

                Terry Bradshaw him

                Joe Montana 3rd round

                Roger Staubach late round...not available for 5 years.

                Jim Kelly him

                Troy Aikman him

                Bob Griese lower round

                Ben Roethlisbergerhim

                Kurt Warner UDFA

                Peyton Manning him

                Fran Tarkenton like 3rd round

                Bart Starr 17th round

                Jim Plunkett him

                Eli Manning him

                Len Dawson not sure...lower round

                Joe Theismann like 3rd round

                Brett Favre second round

                Craig Morton lower round.

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                @the-gipper said:

                @txdawg said:

                Quarterbacks with multiple Super Bowl starts.

                How many first rounders do you see?

                Tom Brady #199

                John Elway him

                Terry Bradshaw him

                Joe Montana 3rd round

                Roger Staubach late round...not available for 5 years.

                Jim Kelly him

                Troy Aikman him

                Bob Griese lower round

                Ben Roethlisbergerhim

                Kurt Warner UDFA

                Peyton Manning him

                Fran Tarkenton like 3rd round

                Bart Starr 17th round

                Jim Plunkett him

                Eli Manning him

                Len Dawson not sure...lower round

                Joe Theismann like 3rd round

                Brett Favre second round

                Craig Morton lower round.

                Morton was a first rounder, Dawson was too, by Steelers, then he was traded to the Browns, then released, then picked up by AFL KC.

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                • gftChrisG gftChris

                  We've all talked a lot recently about the need to take certain positions in the first round, or to *not* take some in the first round. So I thought it'd be fun to make a couple 'all-star' teams made up of first round picks and 'others'. I doubt everyone will agree with all of the selections, but it's just to give an idea of the caliber of player availble.

                  So here's what I have - and it's not two 11s, or a 53 man roster, just a few players from each positions.

                  First Rounders … … Rest of the World
                  QB: P Manning, A Luck … …… …… …… …… …… …… … T Brady, R Wilson
                  RB: A Peterson M Lynch … … … …… …… …… …… …… L McCoy, J Charles
                  WR: C Johnson J Jones AJ Green … … …… …… … ...… J Gordon, A Brown, D Jackson
                  TE: V Davis G Olsen … … …… …… …… …… …… …..… A Gates, J Graham
                  OL: J Thomas Z Martin A Mack K Long T Williams … ...… J Peters, J Bitonio, J Kelce, M Yanda, C Glenn
                  DE: JJ Watt, R Quinn, G McCoy, N Suh … … … …… ……C Wake, G Hardy, G Atkins , K Williams
                  LB: C Matthews, T Hali, L Kuechly, P Willis … … .… ... ...L David, J Houston, K Alonso, N Bowman
                  DB: P Peterson, D Revis, J Haden, E Thomas, E Berry …....R Sherman, B Grimes, B Flowers, E Weddle, K Chanellor
                  One thing I noticed - running backs & tight ends were easier to find outside the first round. QBs were basically a wash - with Brady and Wilson a the top, along with Brees, Romo, Kaepernick, Dalton among others showing you don't need to be a first round pick to be successful.
                  Another big thing - I struggled to find elite O-linemen outside the first round.
                  Any suggestions for players I missed?
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                  @gftchris said:

                  We've all talked a lot recently about the need to take certain positions in the first round, or to *not* take some in the first round. So I thought it'd be fun to make a couple 'all-star' teams made up of first round picks and 'others'. I doubt everyone will agree with all of the selections, but it's just to give an idea of the caliber of player availble.

                  So here's what I have - and it's not two 11s, or a 53 man roster, just a few players from each positions.

                  First Rounders … … Rest of the World
                  QB: P Manning, A Luck … …… …… …… …… …… …… … T Brady, R Wilson
                  RB: A Peterson M Lynch … … … …… …… …… …… …… L McCoy, J Charles
                  WR: C Johnson J Jones AJ Green … … …… …… … ...… J Gordon, A Brown, D Jackson
                  TE: V Davis G Olsen … … …… …… …… …… …… …..… A Gates, J Graham
                  OL: J Thomas Z Martin A Mack K Long T Williams … ...… J Peters, J Bitonio, J Kelce, M Yanda, C Glenn
                  DE: JJ Watt, R Quinn, G McCoy, N Suh … … … …… ……C Wake, G Hardy, G Atkins , K Williams
                  LB: C Matthews, T Hali, L Kuechly, P Willis … … .… ... ...L David, J Houston, K Alonso, N Bowman
                  DB: P Peterson, D Revis, J Haden, E Thomas, E Berry …....R Sherman, B Grimes, B Flowers, E Weddle, K Chanellor

                  Any suggestions for players I missed?

                  Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there.

                  And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly.

                  So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha

                  There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo:

                  Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls:

                  QB:

                  Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0

                  Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0

                  RB:

                  KiJana Carter - #1 - 0

                  Blair Thomas - #2 - 0

                  WR:

                  Charles Rogers - #2 - 0

                  Johnny Jones - #2 - 0

                  Larry Elkins - #1 - 0

                  TE:

                  Eric Ebron - #9

                  OT:

                  Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0

                  Robert Gallery - #2 - 0

                  OG:

                  D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0

                  Leonard Davis - #2 - 0

                  😄

                  Bob Johnson - #2 - 0

                  DE:

                  Courtney Brown - #1 - 0

                  Chris Long - #2 - 0

                  DT:

                  Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0

                  Steve Emtman - #1 - 0

                  MLB:

                  Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0

                  Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0

                  OLB:

                  Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0

                  Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0

                  SS/FS:

                  Michael Huff - #7 - 0

                  Stanley Richard - #9 - 0

                  CB:

                  Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0

                  Pacman Jones - #6 - 0

                  Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns. One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback?

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                    @gftchris said:

                    We've all talked a lot recently about the need to take certain positions in the first round, or to *not* take some in the first round. So I thought it'd be fun to make a couple 'all-star' teams made up of first round picks and 'others'. I doubt everyone will agree with all of the selections, but it's just to give an idea of the caliber of player availble.

                    So here's what I have - and it's not two 11s, or a 53 man roster, just a few players from each positions.

                    First Rounders … … Rest of the World
                    QB: P Manning, A Luck … …… …… …… …… …… …… … T Brady, R Wilson
                    RB: A Peterson M Lynch … … … …… …… …… …… …… L McCoy, J Charles
                    WR: C Johnson J Jones AJ Green … … …… …… … ...… J Gordon, A Brown, D Jackson
                    TE: V Davis G Olsen … … …… …… …… …… …… …..… A Gates, J Graham
                    OL: J Thomas Z Martin A Mack K Long T Williams … ...… J Peters, J Bitonio, J Kelce, M Yanda, C Glenn
                    DE: JJ Watt, R Quinn, G McCoy, N Suh … … … …… ……C Wake, G Hardy, G Atkins , K Williams
                    LB: C Matthews, T Hali, L Kuechly, P Willis … … .… ... ...L David, J Houston, K Alonso, N Bowman
                    DB: P Peterson, D Revis, J Haden, E Thomas, E Berry …....R Sherman, B Grimes, B Flowers, E Weddle, K Chanellor

                    Any suggestions for players I missed?

                    Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there.

                    And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly.

                    So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha

                    There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo:

                    Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls:

                    QB:

                    Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0

                    Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0

                    RB:

                    KiJana Carter - #1 - 0

                    Blair Thomas - #2 - 0

                    WR:

                    Charles Rogers - #2 - 0

                    Johnny Jones - #2 - 0

                    Larry Elkins - #1 - 0

                    TE:

                    Eric Ebron - #9

                    OT:

                    Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0

                    Robert Gallery - #2 - 0

                    OG:

                    D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0

                    Leonard Davis - #2 - 0

                    😄

                    Bob Johnson - #2 - 0

                    DE:

                    Courtney Brown - #1 - 0

                    Chris Long - #2 - 0

                    DT:

                    Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0

                    Steve Emtman - #1 - 0

                    MLB:

                    Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0

                    Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0

                    OLB:

                    Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0

                    Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0

                    SS/FS:

                    Michael Huff - #7 - 0

                    Stanley Richard - #9 - 0

                    CB:

                    Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0

                    Pacman Jones - #6 - 0

                    Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns. One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback?

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                    miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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                    @manzier said:

                    Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there.

                    And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly.

                    So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha

                    There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo:

                    Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls:

                    QB:

                    Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0

                    Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0

                    RB:

                    KiJana Carter - #1 - 0

                    Blair Thomas - #2 - 0

                    WR:

                    Charles Rogers - #2 - 0

                    Johnny Jones - #2 - 0

                    Larry Elkins - #1 - 0

                    TE:

                    Eric Ebron - #9

                    OT:

                    Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0

                    Robert Gallery - #2 - 0

                    OG:

                    D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0

                    Leonard Davis - #2 - 0

                    😄

                    Bob Johnson - #2 - 0

                    DE:

                    Courtney Brown - #1 - 0

                    Chris Long - #2 - 0

                    DT:

                    Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0

                    Steve Emtman - #1 - 0

                    MLB:

                    Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0

                    Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0

                    OLB:

                    Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0

                    Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0

                    SS/FS:

                    Michael Huff - #7 - 0

                    Stanley Richard - #9 - 0

                    CB:

                    Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0

                    Pacman Jones - #6 - 0

                    Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns. One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback?

                    i think clowney is headed for this list. glass legs.

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                      Craig Morton

                      Drafted by the Dallas Cowboys in the 1st round (5th overall) of the 1965 NFL Draft.

                      Drafted by the Oakland Raiders in the 10th round (75th overall) of the 1965 AFL Draft.

                      I imagine this happened often...

                      also interesting...

                      The Falcons drafted Favre 33rd overall (2nd round) but then Green Bay traded a first-round pick for Favre after the 1991 season.

                      so a first round pick was investing in Favre. you could lawyer that one.

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                        We've all talked a lot recently about the need to take certain positions in the first round, or to *not* take some in the first round. So I thought it'd be fun to make a couple 'all-star' teams made up of first round picks and 'others'. I doubt everyone will agree with all of the selections, but it's just to give an idea of the caliber of player availble.

                        So here's what I have - and it's not two 11s, or a 53 man roster, just a few players from each positions.

                        First Rounders … … Rest of the World
                        QB: P Manning, A Luck … …… …… …… …… …… …… … T Brady, R Wilson
                        RB: A Peterson M Lynch … … … …… …… …… …… …… L McCoy, J Charles
                        WR: C Johnson J Jones AJ Green … … …… …… … ...… J Gordon, A Brown, D Jackson
                        TE: V Davis G Olsen … … …… …… …… …… …… …..… A Gates, J Graham
                        OL: J Thomas Z Martin A Mack K Long T Williams … ...… J Peters, J Bitonio, J Kelce, M Yanda, C Glenn
                        DE: JJ Watt, R Quinn, G McCoy, N Suh … … … …… ……C Wake, G Hardy, G Atkins , K Williams
                        LB: C Matthews, T Hali, L Kuechly, P Willis … … .… ... ...L David, J Houston, K Alonso, N Bowman
                        DB: P Peterson, D Revis, J Haden, E Thomas, E Berry …....R Sherman, B Grimes, B Flowers, E Weddle, K Chanellor
                        One thing I noticed - running backs & tight ends were easier to find outside the first round. QBs were basically a wash - with Brady and Wilson a the top, along with Brees, Romo, Kaepernick, Dalton among others showing you don't need to be a first round pick to be successful.
                        Another big thing - I struggled to find elite O-linemen outside the first round.
                        Any suggestions for players I missed?
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                        @gftchris said:

                        Another big thing - I struggled to find elite O-linemen outside the first round.

                        First thing that jumped out at me... not that the lower round guys are slouches, but...

                        Also to some extent ditto for the D-line...

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                          @gftchris said:

                          Another big thing - I struggled to find elite O-linemen outside the first round.

                          First thing that jumped out at me... not that the lower round guys are slouches, but...

                          Also to some extent ditto for the D-line...

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                          @tour2ma said:

                          First thing that jumped out at me... not that the lower round guys are slouches, but...

                          Also to some extent ditto for the D-line...

                          My general football knowledge isn't good enough to know all the top class linemen and where they were drafted so I had to lean on things like pre-season top 10 lists, and the mid-season all-pros.

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                            @manzier said:

                            Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there.

                            And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly.

                            So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha

                            There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo:

                            Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls:

                            QB:

                            Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0

                            Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0

                            RB:

                            KiJana Carter - #1 - 0

                            Blair Thomas - #2 - 0

                            WR:

                            Charles Rogers - #2 - 0

                            Johnny Jones - #2 - 0

                            Larry Elkins - #1 - 0

                            TE:

                            Eric Ebron - #9

                            OT:

                            Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0

                            Robert Gallery - #2 - 0

                            OG:

                            D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0

                            Leonard Davis - #2 - 0

                            😄

                            Bob Johnson - #2 - 0

                            DE:

                            Courtney Brown - #1 - 0

                            Chris Long - #2 - 0

                            DT:

                            Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0

                            Steve Emtman - #1 - 0

                            MLB:

                            Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0

                            Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0

                            OLB:

                            Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0

                            Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0

                            SS/FS:

                            Michael Huff - #7 - 0

                            Stanley Richard - #9 - 0

                            CB:

                            Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0

                            Pacman Jones - #6 - 0

                            Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns. One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback?

                            i think clowney is headed for this list. glass legs.

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                            @miktoxic said:

                            i think clowney is headed for this list. glass legs.

                            me too.

                            Looks like "Tony Mandarich - part II"

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                              @gftchris said:

                              We've all talked a lot recently about the need to take certain positions in the first round, or to *not* take some in the first round. So I thought it'd be fun to make a couple 'all-star' teams made up of first round picks and 'others'. I doubt everyone will agree with all of the selections, but it's just to give an idea of the caliber of player availble.

                              So here's what I have - and it's not two 11s, or a 53 man roster, just a few players from each positions.

                              First Rounders … … Rest of the World
                              QB: P Manning, A Luck … …… …… …… …… …… …… … T Brady, R Wilson
                              RB: A Peterson M Lynch … … … …… …… …… …… …… L McCoy, J Charles
                              WR: C Johnson J Jones AJ Green … … …… …… … ...… J Gordon, A Brown, D Jackson
                              TE: V Davis G Olsen … … …… …… …… …… …… …..… A Gates, J Graham
                              OL: J Thomas Z Martin A Mack K Long T Williams … ...… J Peters, J Bitonio, J Kelce, M Yanda, C Glenn
                              DE: JJ Watt, R Quinn, G McCoy, N Suh … … … …… ……C Wake, G Hardy, G Atkins , K Williams
                              LB: C Matthews, T Hali, L Kuechly, P Willis … … .… ... ...L David, J Houston, K Alonso, N Bowman
                              DB: P Peterson, D Revis, J Haden, E Thomas, E Berry …....R Sherman, B Grimes, B Flowers, E Weddle, K Chanellor

                              Any suggestions for players I missed?

                              Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there.

                              And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly.

                              So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha

                              There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo:

                              Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls:

                              QB:

                              Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0

                              Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0

                              RB:

                              KiJana Carter - #1 - 0

                              Blair Thomas - #2 - 0

                              WR:

                              Charles Rogers - #2 - 0

                              Johnny Jones - #2 - 0

                              Larry Elkins - #1 - 0

                              TE:

                              Eric Ebron - #9

                              OT:

                              Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0

                              Robert Gallery - #2 - 0

                              OG:

                              D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0

                              Leonard Davis - #2 - 0

                              😄

                              Bob Johnson - #2 - 0

                              DE:

                              Courtney Brown - #1 - 0

                              Chris Long - #2 - 0

                              DT:

                              Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0

                              Steve Emtman - #1 - 0

                              MLB:

                              Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0

                              Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0

                              OLB:

                              Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0

                              Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0

                              SS/FS:

                              Michael Huff - #7 - 0

                              Stanley Richard - #9 - 0

                              CB:

                              Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0

                              Pacman Jones - #6 - 0

                              Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns. One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback?

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                              @manzier said:

                              Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there.

                              And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly.

                              So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha

                              There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo:

                              Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls:

                              QB:

                              Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0

                              Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0

                              RB:

                              KiJana Carter - #1 - 0

                              Blair Thomas - #2 - 0

                              WR:

                              Charles Rogers - #2 - 0

                              Johnny Jones - #2 - 0

                              Larry Elkins - #1 - 0

                              TE:

                              Eric Ebron - #9

                              OT:

                              Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0

                              Robert Gallery - #2 - 0

                              OG:

                              D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0

                              Leonard Davis - #2 - 0

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                              Bob Johnson - #2 - 0

                              DE:

                              Courtney Brown - #1 - 0

                              Chris Long - #2 - 0

                              DT:

                              Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0

                              Steve Emtman - #1 - 0

                              MLB:

                              Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0

                              Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0

                              OLB:

                              Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0

                              Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0

                              SS/FS:

                              Michael Huff - #7 - 0

                              Stanley Richard - #9 - 0

                              CB:

                              Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0

                              Pacman Jones - #6 - 0

                              Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns.

                              (Cousineau/Courtney Brown are the only two on your list that played for the Browns...I don't see any others. Or did you leave out #1 Tim Couch?)

                              One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback?

                              Jim Kelly with the pick traded for Cousineau)

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                                Another big thing - I struggled to find elite O-linemen outside the first round.

                                How far back do you want to go? These alone were 5th rounders or lower

                                Gene Hickerson 7th round

                                Dan Fortmann 9th round

                                Jim Ringo 7th round

                                Mike Webster 5th round

                                All HOF. rounds 2-4:

                                Stan Jones

                                Mike MacCormack

                                Bob St. Clair

                                Art Shell

                                Jackie Slater

                                Russ Grimm

                                Forrest Gregg

                                Billy Shaw

                                Dan Dierdorf

                                Dwight Stephenson

                                Dermonti Dawson

                                Larry Allen

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                                  Another big thing - I struggled to find elite O-linemen outside the first round.

                                  How far back do you want to go? These alone were 5th rounders or lower

                                  Gene Hickerson 7th round

                                  Dan Fortmann 9th round

                                  Jim Ringo 7th round

                                  Mike Webster 5th round

                                  All HOF. rounds 2-4:

                                  Stan Jones

                                  Mike MacCormack

                                  Bob St. Clair

                                  Art Shell

                                  Jackie Slater

                                  Russ Grimm

                                  Forrest Gregg

                                  Billy Shaw

                                  Dan Dierdorf

                                  Dwight Stephenson

                                  Dermonti Dawson

                                  Larry Allen

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                                  @the-gipper said:

                                  Another big thing - I struggled to find elite O-linemen outside the first round.

                                  How far back do you want to go?

                                  All the players are currently active (I believe). I'm sure you can make an all-time non-first round team, but the point was to compare the depth of talent available in any given draft, so it's time dependent. All-time, you can probably come up with two teams that are inseparable.

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                                    @manzier said:

                                    Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there.

                                    And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly.

                                    So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha

                                    There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo:

                                    Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls:

                                    QB:

                                    Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0

                                    Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0

                                    RB:

                                    KiJana Carter - #1 - 0

                                    Blair Thomas - #2 - 0

                                    WR:

                                    Charles Rogers - #2 - 0

                                    Johnny Jones - #2 - 0

                                    Larry Elkins - #1 - 0

                                    TE:

                                    Eric Ebron - #9

                                    OT:

                                    Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0

                                    Robert Gallery - #2 - 0

                                    OG:

                                    D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0

                                    Leonard Davis - #2 - 0

                                    😄

                                    Bob Johnson - #2 - 0

                                    DE:

                                    Courtney Brown - #1 - 0

                                    Chris Long - #2 - 0

                                    DT:

                                    Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0

                                    Steve Emtman - #1 - 0

                                    MLB:

                                    Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0

                                    Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0

                                    OLB:

                                    Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0

                                    Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0

                                    SS/FS:

                                    Michael Huff - #7 - 0

                                    Stanley Richard - #9 - 0

                                    CB:

                                    Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0

                                    Pacman Jones - #6 - 0

                                    Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns.

                                    (Cousineau/Courtney Brown are the only two on your list that played for the Browns...I don't see any others. Or did you leave out #1 Tim Couch?)

                                    One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback?

                                    Jim Kelly with the pick traded for Cousineau)

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                                    ManzierM Manzier wrote on last edited by
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                                    @the-gipper said:

                                    @manzier said:

                                    Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there.

                                    And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly.

                                    So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha

                                    There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo:

                                    Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls:

                                    QB:

                                    Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0

                                    Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0

                                    RB:

                                    KiJana Carter - #1 - 0

                                    Blair Thomas - #2 - 0

                                    WR:

                                    Charles Rogers - #2 - 0

                                    Johnny Jones - #2 - 0

                                    Larry Elkins - #1 - 0

                                    TE:

                                    Eric Ebron - #9

                                    OT:

                                    Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0

                                    Robert Gallery - #2 - 0

                                    OG:

                                    D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0

                                    Leonard Davis - #2 - 0

                                    😄

                                    Bob Johnson - #2 - 0

                                    DE:

                                    Courtney Brown - #1 - 0

                                    Chris Long - #2 - 0

                                    DT:

                                    Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0

                                    Steve Emtman - #1 - 0

                                    MLB:

                                    Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0

                                    Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0

                                    OLB:

                                    Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0

                                    Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0

                                    SS/FS:

                                    Michael Huff - #7 - 0

                                    Stanley Richard - #9 - 0

                                    CB:

                                    Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0

                                    Pacman Jones - #6 - 0

                                    Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns.

                                    (Cousineau/Courtney Brown are the only two on your list that played for the Browns...I don't see any others. Or did you leave out #1 Tim Couch?) No. You are correct, as I used the wrong wording. Johnnie Cooks also played for the Browns, BUT was not traded for or picked in the draft.

                                    One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback?

                                    Jim Kelly with the pick traded for Cousineau) Correct.

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                                      I guess I don't remember much about Johnny Cooks playing for the Browns....but I'll check:

                                      OK, according to this, Johnny Cooks played in exactly 2 games with the Browns in 1991, and didn't record a single tackle.

                                      http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CookJo20.htm

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