First Rounders vs Rest of the World
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We've all talked a lot recently about the need to take certain positions in the first round, or to *not* take some in the first round. So I thought it'd be fun to make a couple 'all-star' teams made up of first round picks and 'others'. I doubt everyone will agree with all of the selections, but it's just to give an idea of the caliber of player availble.
So here's what I have - and it's not two 11s, or a 53 man roster, just a few players from each positions.
First Rounders … … Rest of the WorldQB: P Manning, A Luck … …… …… …… …… …… …… … T Brady, R WilsonRB: A Peterson M Lynch … … … …… …… …… …… …… L McCoy, J CharlesWR: C Johnson J Jones AJ Green … … …… …… … ...… J Gordon, A Brown, D JacksonTE: V Davis G Olsen … … …… …… …… …… …… …..… A Gates, J GrahamOL: J Thomas Z Martin A Mack K Long T Williams … ...… J Peters, J Bitonio, J Kelce, M Yanda, C GlennDE: JJ Watt, R Quinn, G McCoy, N Suh … … … …… ……C Wake, G Hardy, G Atkins , K WilliamsLB: C Matthews, T Hali, L Kuechly, P Willis … … .… ... ...L David, J Houston, K Alonso, N BowmanDB: P Peterson, D Revis, J Haden, E Thomas, E Berry …....R Sherman, B Grimes, B Flowers, E Weddle, K ChanellorAny suggestions for players I missed?
Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there.
And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly.
So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha
There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo:
Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls:
QB:
Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0
Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0
RB:
KiJana Carter - #1 - 0
Blair Thomas - #2 - 0
WR:
Charles Rogers - #2 - 0
Johnny Jones - #2 - 0
Larry Elkins - #1 - 0
TE:
Eric Ebron - #9
OT:
Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0
Robert Gallery - #2 - 0
OG:
D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0
Leonard Davis - #2 - 0
Bob Johnson - #2 - 0
DE:
Courtney Brown - #1 - 0
Chris Long - #2 - 0
DT:
Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0
Steve Emtman - #1 - 0
MLB:
Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0
Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0
OLB:
Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0
Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0
SS/FS:
Michael Huff - #7 - 0
Stanley Richard - #9 - 0
CB:
Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0
Pacman Jones - #6 - 0
Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns. One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback?
Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there.
And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly.
So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha
There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo:
Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls:
QB:
Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0
Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0
RB:
KiJana Carter - #1 - 0
Blair Thomas - #2 - 0
WR:
Charles Rogers - #2 - 0
Johnny Jones - #2 - 0
Larry Elkins - #1 - 0
TE:
Eric Ebron - #9
OT:
Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0
Robert Gallery - #2 - 0
OG:
D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0
Leonard Davis - #2 - 0
Bob Johnson - #2 - 0
DE:
Courtney Brown - #1 - 0
Chris Long - #2 - 0
DT:
Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0
Steve Emtman - #1 - 0
MLB:
Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0
Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0
OLB:
Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0
Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0
SS/FS:
Michael Huff - #7 - 0
Stanley Richard - #9 - 0
CB:
Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0
Pacman Jones - #6 - 0
Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns. One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback?
i think clowney is headed for this list. glass legs.
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Craig Morton
Drafted by the Dallas Cowboys in the 1st round (5th overall) of the 1965 NFL Draft.
Drafted by the Oakland Raiders in the 10th round (75th overall) of the 1965 AFL Draft.
I imagine this happened often...
also interesting...
The Falcons drafted Favre 33rd overall (2nd round) but then Green Bay traded a first-round pick for Favre after the 1991 season.
so a first round pick was investing in Favre. you could lawyer that one.
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We've all talked a lot recently about the need to take certain positions in the first round, or to *not* take some in the first round. So I thought it'd be fun to make a couple 'all-star' teams made up of first round picks and 'others'. I doubt everyone will agree with all of the selections, but it's just to give an idea of the caliber of player availble.
So here's what I have - and it's not two 11s, or a 53 man roster, just a few players from each positions.
First Rounders … … Rest of the WorldQB: P Manning, A Luck … …… …… …… …… …… …… … T Brady, R WilsonRB: A Peterson M Lynch … … … …… …… …… …… …… L McCoy, J CharlesWR: C Johnson J Jones AJ Green … … …… …… … ...… J Gordon, A Brown, D JacksonTE: V Davis G Olsen … … …… …… …… …… …… …..… A Gates, J GrahamOL: J Thomas Z Martin A Mack K Long T Williams … ...… J Peters, J Bitonio, J Kelce, M Yanda, C GlennDE: JJ Watt, R Quinn, G McCoy, N Suh … … … …… ……C Wake, G Hardy, G Atkins , K WilliamsLB: C Matthews, T Hali, L Kuechly, P Willis … … .… ... ...L David, J Houston, K Alonso, N BowmanDB: P Peterson, D Revis, J Haden, E Thomas, E Berry …....R Sherman, B Grimes, B Flowers, E Weddle, K ChanellorOne thing I noticed - running backs & tight ends were easier to find outside the first round. QBs were basically a wash - with Brady and Wilson a the top, along with Brees, Romo, Kaepernick, Dalton among others showing you don't need to be a first round pick to be successful.Another big thing - I struggled to find elite O-linemen outside the first round.Any suggestions for players I missed?Another big thing - I struggled to find elite O-linemen outside the first round.
First thing that jumped out at me... not that the lower round guys are slouches, but...
Also to some extent ditto for the D-line...
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First thing that jumped out at me... not that the lower round guys are slouches, but...
Also to some extent ditto for the D-line...
My general football knowledge isn't good enough to know all the top class linemen and where they were drafted so I had to lean on things like pre-season top 10 lists, and the mid-season all-pros.
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Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there.
And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly.
So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha
There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo:
Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls:
QB:
Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0
Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0
RB:
KiJana Carter - #1 - 0
Blair Thomas - #2 - 0
WR:
Charles Rogers - #2 - 0
Johnny Jones - #2 - 0
Larry Elkins - #1 - 0
TE:
Eric Ebron - #9
OT:
Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0
Robert Gallery - #2 - 0
OG:
D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0
Leonard Davis - #2 - 0
Bob Johnson - #2 - 0
DE:
Courtney Brown - #1 - 0
Chris Long - #2 - 0
DT:
Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0
Steve Emtman - #1 - 0
MLB:
Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0
Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0
OLB:
Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0
Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0
SS/FS:
Michael Huff - #7 - 0
Stanley Richard - #9 - 0
CB:
Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0
Pacman Jones - #6 - 0
Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns. One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback?
i think clowney is headed for this list. glass legs.
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We've all talked a lot recently about the need to take certain positions in the first round, or to *not* take some in the first round. So I thought it'd be fun to make a couple 'all-star' teams made up of first round picks and 'others'. I doubt everyone will agree with all of the selections, but it's just to give an idea of the caliber of player availble.
So here's what I have - and it's not two 11s, or a 53 man roster, just a few players from each positions.
First Rounders … … Rest of the WorldQB: P Manning, A Luck … …… …… …… …… …… …… … T Brady, R WilsonRB: A Peterson M Lynch … … … …… …… …… …… …… L McCoy, J CharlesWR: C Johnson J Jones AJ Green … … …… …… … ...… J Gordon, A Brown, D JacksonTE: V Davis G Olsen … … …… …… …… …… …… …..… A Gates, J GrahamOL: J Thomas Z Martin A Mack K Long T Williams … ...… J Peters, J Bitonio, J Kelce, M Yanda, C GlennDE: JJ Watt, R Quinn, G McCoy, N Suh … … … …… ……C Wake, G Hardy, G Atkins , K WilliamsLB: C Matthews, T Hali, L Kuechly, P Willis … … .… ... ...L David, J Houston, K Alonso, N BowmanDB: P Peterson, D Revis, J Haden, E Thomas, E Berry …....R Sherman, B Grimes, B Flowers, E Weddle, K ChanellorAny suggestions for players I missed?
Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there.
And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly.
So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha
There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo:
Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls:
QB:
Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0
Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0
RB:
KiJana Carter - #1 - 0
Blair Thomas - #2 - 0
WR:
Charles Rogers - #2 - 0
Johnny Jones - #2 - 0
Larry Elkins - #1 - 0
TE:
Eric Ebron - #9
OT:
Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0
Robert Gallery - #2 - 0
OG:
D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0
Leonard Davis - #2 - 0
Bob Johnson - #2 - 0
DE:
Courtney Brown - #1 - 0
Chris Long - #2 - 0
DT:
Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0
Steve Emtman - #1 - 0
MLB:
Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0
Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0
OLB:
Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0
Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0
SS/FS:
Michael Huff - #7 - 0
Stanley Richard - #9 - 0
CB:
Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0
Pacman Jones - #6 - 0
Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns. One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback?
Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there.
And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly.
So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha
There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo:
Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls:
QB:
Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0
Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0
RB:
KiJana Carter - #1 - 0
Blair Thomas - #2 - 0
WR:
Charles Rogers - #2 - 0
Johnny Jones - #2 - 0
Larry Elkins - #1 - 0
TE:
Eric Ebron - #9
OT:
Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0
Robert Gallery - #2 - 0
OG:
D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0
Leonard Davis - #2 - 0
Bob Johnson - #2 - 0
DE:
Courtney Brown - #1 - 0
Chris Long - #2 - 0
DT:
Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0
Steve Emtman - #1 - 0
MLB:
Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0
Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0
OLB:
Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0
Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0
SS/FS:
Michael Huff - #7 - 0
Stanley Richard - #9 - 0
CB:
Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0
Pacman Jones - #6 - 0
Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns.
(Cousineau/Courtney Brown are the only two on your list that played for the Browns...I don't see any others. Or did you leave out #1 Tim Couch?)
One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback?
Jim Kelly with the pick traded for Cousineau)
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Another big thing - I struggled to find elite O-linemen outside the first round.
How far back do you want to go? These alone were 5th rounders or lower
Gene Hickerson 7th round
Dan Fortmann 9th round
Jim Ringo 7th round
Mike Webster 5th round
All HOF. rounds 2-4:
Stan Jones
Mike MacCormack
Bob St. Clair
Art Shell
Jackie Slater
Russ Grimm
Forrest Gregg
Billy Shaw
Dan Dierdorf
Dwight Stephenson
Dermonti Dawson
Larry Allen
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Another big thing - I struggled to find elite O-linemen outside the first round.
How far back do you want to go? These alone were 5th rounders or lower
Gene Hickerson 7th round
Dan Fortmann 9th round
Jim Ringo 7th round
Mike Webster 5th round
All HOF. rounds 2-4:
Stan Jones
Mike MacCormack
Bob St. Clair
Art Shell
Jackie Slater
Russ Grimm
Forrest Gregg
Billy Shaw
Dan Dierdorf
Dwight Stephenson
Dermonti Dawson
Larry Allen
Another big thing - I struggled to find elite O-linemen outside the first round.
How far back do you want to go?
All the players are currently active (I believe). I'm sure you can make an all-time non-first round team, but the point was to compare the depth of talent available in any given draft, so it's time dependent. All-time, you can probably come up with two teams that are inseparable.
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Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there.
And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly.
So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha
There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo:
Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls:
QB:
Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0
Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0
RB:
KiJana Carter - #1 - 0
Blair Thomas - #2 - 0
WR:
Charles Rogers - #2 - 0
Johnny Jones - #2 - 0
Larry Elkins - #1 - 0
TE:
Eric Ebron - #9
OT:
Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0
Robert Gallery - #2 - 0
OG:
D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0
Leonard Davis - #2 - 0
Bob Johnson - #2 - 0
DE:
Courtney Brown - #1 - 0
Chris Long - #2 - 0
DT:
Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0
Steve Emtman - #1 - 0
MLB:
Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0
Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0
OLB:
Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0
Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0
SS/FS:
Michael Huff - #7 - 0
Stanley Richard - #9 - 0
CB:
Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0
Pacman Jones - #6 - 0
Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns.
(Cousineau/Courtney Brown are the only two on your list that played for the Browns...I don't see any others. Or did you leave out #1 Tim Couch?)
One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback?
Jim Kelly with the pick traded for Cousineau)
Nice list. Enjoyed it. Some truly monster players there.
And, as we also know, a lot of high picks wouldn't make that list. Haha. Putting it lightly.
So Ill add my list of players, but all were top 2 picks. And not top 2 rounds. These are top 2 overall. So, every player on my list MUST have been a "sure shot" "slam dunk" "cant miss" kind of player. I remember many of these guys being touted as the best everrrrrrrr to come out. Hahahaha
There were a few positions(TE, CB & S) that have never been selected #1 or #2. So, I picked the highest I could find. Here we gooooo:
Name - overall pick # - # of pro bowls:
QB:
Jamarcus Russell - #1 - 0
Ryan Leaf - #2 - 0
RB:
KiJana Carter - #1 - 0
Blair Thomas - #2 - 0
WR:
Charles Rogers - #2 - 0
Johnny Jones - #2 - 0
Larry Elkins - #1 - 0
TE:
Eric Ebron - #9
OT:
Tony Mandarich - #2 - 0
Robert Gallery - #2 - 0
OG:
D. Steinkuhler - #2 - 0
Leonard Davis - #2 - 0
Bob Johnson - #2 - 0
DE:
Courtney Brown - #1 - 0
Chris Long - #2 - 0
DT:
Dan Wilkinson - #1 - 0
Steve Emtman - #1 - 0
MLB:
Tom Cousineau - #1 - 0
Johnny Cooks - #2 - 0
OLB:
Aundrey Bruce - #1 - 0
Quentin Coryat - #2 - 0
SS/FS:
Michael Huff - #7 - 0
Stanley Richard - #9 - 0
CB:
Morris Claiborne - #6 - 0
Pacman Jones - #6 - 0
Extra fun trivia////At least 3 of these players were picked or traded for by the Browns.
(Cousineau/Courtney Brown are the only two on your list that played for the Browns...I don't see any others. Or did you leave out #1 Tim Couch?) No. You are correct, as I used the wrong wording. Johnnie Cooks also played for the Browns, BUT was not traded for or picked in the draft.
One of them(who?) we acquired with a draft pick that was later used to select what HOF quarterback?
Jim Kelly with the pick traded for Cousineau) Correct.
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I guess I don't remember much about Johnny Cooks playing for the Browns....but I'll check:
OK, according to this, Johnny Cooks played in exactly 2 games with the Browns in 1991, and didn't record a single tackle.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CookJo20.htm
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