Stockton Shorts Discusses Brian Hoyer
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Seems the trend lately has been getting a team and then plugging in the franchise guy.
See:
1.) Denver
2.) Seattle
3.) Chiefs
4.) Packers
5.) Indy?
6.) AZ?
Up next: Bengals?, Browns?, Chicago?, Houston?, Buffalo?
The teams who get a QB before everything else: Vikings, Jags, Raiders, Falcons
Regardless there's many right ways to build a team. Plugging "the guy" into a well built team seems to help them flourish more than plugging a guy into a more hapless team like the vikings, falcons, jags, jets, raiders
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Quarterback is a like a boner in a whore house - you're only as good as your protection.
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Seems the trend lately has been getting a team and then plugging in the franchise guy.
See:
1.) Denver
2.) Seattle
3.) Chiefs
4.) Packers
5.) Indy?
6.) AZ?
Up next: Bengals?, Browns?, Chicago?, Houston?, Buffalo?
The teams who get a QB before everything else: Vikings, Jags, Raiders, Falcons
Regardless there's many right ways to build a team. Plugging "the guy" into a well built team seems to help them flourish more than plugging a guy into a more hapless team like the vikings, falcons, jags, jets, raiders
Seems the trend lately has been getting a team and then plugging in the franchise guy.
See:
1.) Denver
2.) Seattle
3.) Chiefs
4.) Packers
5.) Indy?
6.) AZ?
Up next: Bengals?, Browns?, Chicago?, Houston?, Buffalo?
The teams who get a QB before everything else: Vikings, Jags, Raiders, Falcons
Regardless there's many right ways to build a team. Plugging "the guy" into a well built team seems to help them flourish more than plugging a guy into a more hapless team like the vikings, falcons, jags, jets, raiders
Good points.
The ones plugged into built teams get to safely perform out of the gate and do well.
The ones plugged into bad teams first and then "built around", usually get broken and then fail. The list is too long to even research or type. But some names that quickly come to mind are Tim Couch, David Carr, RGIII & Sam Bradford, who all died on the vine waiting for the "build".
It makes you wonder if BH isn't just the likable sacrificial lamb being used to build around, while protecting the prodigal son from any harm as he grows up.
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Seems the trend lately has been getting a team and then plugging in the franchise guy.
See:
1.) Denver
2.) Seattle
3.) Chiefs
4.) Packers
5.) Indy?
6.) AZ?
Up next: Bengals?, Browns?, Chicago?, Houston?, Buffalo?
The teams who get a QB before everything else: Vikings, Jags, Raiders, Falcons
Regardless there's many right ways to build a team. Plugging "the guy" into a well built team seems to help them flourish more than plugging a guy into a more hapless team like the vikings, falcons, jags, jets, raiders
Seems the trend lately has been getting a team and then plugging in the franchise guy.
See:
1.) Denver
2.) Seattle
3.) Chiefs
4.) Packers
5.) Indy?
6.) AZ?
Up next: Bengals?, Browns?, Chicago?, Houston?, Buffalo?
The teams who get a QB before everything else: Vikings, Jags, Raiders, Falcons
Regardless there's many right ways to build a team. Plugging "the guy" into a well built team seems to help them flourish more than plugging a guy into a more hapless team like the vikings, falcons, jags, jets, raiders
Can't explain how dumb this list is.
Denver got Peyton Manning. They were going to be good either way.
Seattle was 7-9 before Wilson
Arizona (who I don't think belongs on this list) was 5-11 before Palmer
Indy was 2-14 before Luck
Chiefs were 2-14 before Smith
Packers are the best scenario, they were 13-3 before Rodgers, then 6-10 his first year (after sitting 4 years) and they had to rebuild the roster around him.
None of those teams were "Ready" teams before they got their QB (Except maybe Denver) They all grew with their QB. As did Atlanta (as someone tried to throw in Matt Ryan as "rushed too soon" that guy has been the #1 seed and in a NFC Championship. By this boards standards thats HOF quality).
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Do you think Robert Griffin III is a good QB? How about Matt Schaub? Do you think they're good QBs? I don't.
However both those guys in their first full season in this EXACT same offense put up these numbers
RGIII 65.6% completions 20TDs 102.4 Rating
Schaub 67.9% completions 29TDs 98.6 Rating
Hoyer right now 55.7% completions 11TDs 86 Rating
Those other two QBs aren't even good. Schaub is a bum and RGIII doesn't even know any QB mechanics and they blew Hoyer out of the water in this system. Thats how bad Hoyer is. The most QB friendly system in the universe and he's dead last in completion % in the NFL in it.
"Oh but Stockton the run game" Shut up. The run game is failing because nobody is scared of Brian Hoyer. Teams loading up against the run only opens more opportunities up for the passing game, not less.
Put it this way, right now Tom Brady has the 31st ranked rushing O.
Andrew Luck has the 25th ranked rushing O.
Big Ben 19th.
Phillip Rivers 29th.Aaron Rodgers 13th.
Hell Arizona is 30th in rushing. Why are they not struggling?
And before you go "Well the offensive line..." I'll stop you there.
The Oline in RGIIIs first year was 23rd in Pass Protection.
In Schaubs year his Oline was 16th in pass protection.
Browns pass protection is 8th.
"But Stockton the Wide Receivers"
Right now the Browns have the second least drops in the entire NFL. Second LEAST.In RGIIIs rookie year, the Redskins LED THE LEAGUE IN DROPS. Led the entire NFL.
Hoyer is a Miller High Life in a Champagne League. -
Do you think Robert Griffin III is a good QB? How about Matt Schaub? Do you think they're good QBs? I don't.
However both those guys in their first full season in this EXACT same offense put up these numbers
RGIII 65.6% completions 20TDs 102.4 Rating
Schaub 67.9% completions 29TDs 98.6 Rating
Hoyer right now 55.7% completions 11TDs 86 Rating
Those other two QBs aren't even good. Schaub is a bum and RGIII doesn't even know any QB mechanics and they blew Hoyer out of the water in this system. Thats how bad Hoyer is. The most QB friendly system in the universe and he's dead last in completion % in the NFL in it.
"Oh but Stockton the run game" Shut up. The run game is failing because nobody is scared of Brian Hoyer. Teams loading up against the run only opens more opportunities up for the passing game, not less.
Put it this way, right now Tom Brady has the 31st ranked rushing O.
Andrew Luck has the 25th ranked rushing O.
Big Ben 19th.
Phillip Rivers 29th.Aaron Rodgers 13th.
Hell Arizona is 30th in rushing. Why are they not struggling?
And before you go "Well the offensive line..." I'll stop you there.
The Oline in RGIIIs first year was 23rd in Pass Protection.
In Schaubs year his Oline was 16th in pass protection.
Browns pass protection is 8th.
"But Stockton the Wide Receivers"
Right now the Browns have the second least drops in the entire NFL. Second LEAST.In RGIIIs rookie year, the Redskins LED THE LEAGUE IN DROPS. Led the entire NFL.
Hoyer is a Miller High Life in a Champagne League.
You can look at stats or you can look at a player's intangibles, your call. Nothing you can do when you have zero protection and cookie cutter recievers that can't make a play or get open unless they're set up perefectly.Do you think Robert Griffin III is a good QB? How about Matt Schaub? Do you think they're good QBs? I don't.
However both those guys in their first full season in this EXACT same offense put up these numbers
RGIII 65.6% completions 20TDs 102.4 Rating
Schaub 67.9% completions 29TDs 98.6 Rating
Hoyer right now 55.7% completions 11TDs 86 Rating
Those other two QBs aren't even good. Schaub is a bum and RGIII doesn't even know any QB mechanics and they blew Hoyer out of the water in this system. Thats how bad Hoyer is. The most QB friendly system in the universe and he's dead last in completion % in the NFL in it.
"Oh but Stockton the run game" Shut up. The run game is failing because nobody is scared of Brian Hoyer. Teams loading up against the run only opens more opportunities up for the passing game, not less.
Put it this way, right now Tom Brady has the 31st ranked rushing O.
Andrew Luck has the 25th ranked rushing O.
Big Ben 19th.
Phillip Rivers 29th.
Aaron Rodgers 13th.
Hell Arizona is 30th in rushing. Why are they not struggling?
And before you go "Well the offensive line..." I'll stop you there.
The Oline in RGIIIs first year was 23rd in Pass Protection.
In Schaubs year his Oline was 16th in pass protection.
Browns pass protection is 8th.
"But Stockton the Wide Receivers"
Right now the Browns have the second least drops in the entire NFL. Second LEAST.
In RGIIIs rookie year, the Redskins LED THE LEAGUE IN DROPS. Led the entire NFL.
Hoyer is a Miller High Life in a Champagne League.
PS: die
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You can look at stats or you can look at a player's intangibles, your call. Nothing you can do when you have zero protection and cookie cutter recievers that can't make a play or get open unless they're set up perefectly.Do you think Robert Griffin III is a good QB? How about Matt Schaub? Do you think they're good QBs? I don't.
However both those guys in their first full season in this EXACT same offense put up these numbers
RGIII 65.6% completions 20TDs 102.4 Rating
Schaub 67.9% completions 29TDs 98.6 Rating
Hoyer right now 55.7% completions 11TDs 86 Rating
Those other two QBs aren't even good. Schaub is a bum and RGIII doesn't even know any QB mechanics and they blew Hoyer out of the water in this system. Thats how bad Hoyer is. The most QB friendly system in the universe and he's dead last in completion % in the NFL in it.
"Oh but Stockton the run game" Shut up. The run game is failing because nobody is scared of Brian Hoyer. Teams loading up against the run only opens more opportunities up for the passing game, not less.
Put it this way, right now Tom Brady has the 31st ranked rushing O.
Andrew Luck has the 25th ranked rushing O.
Big Ben 19th.
Phillip Rivers 29th.
Aaron Rodgers 13th.
Hell Arizona is 30th in rushing. Why are they not struggling?
And before you go "Well the offensive line..." I'll stop you there.
The Oline in RGIIIs first year was 23rd in Pass Protection.
In Schaubs year his Oline was 16th in pass protection.
Browns pass protection is 8th.
"But Stockton the Wide Receivers"
Right now the Browns have the second least drops in the entire NFL. Second LEAST.
In RGIIIs rookie year, the Redskins LED THE LEAGUE IN DROPS. Led the entire NFL.
Hoyer is a Miller High Life in a Champagne League.
PS: die
You can look at stats or a players intangibles, your call. Nothing you can do when you have zero protection and cookie cutter recievers that can't make a play or get open unless they're set up perefectly.
PS: die
Those issues were addressed in the post.
And please list these "intangibles".....
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Do you think Robert Griffin III is a good QB? How about Matt Schaub? Do you think they're good QBs? I don't.
However both those guys in their first full season in this EXACT same offense put up these numbers
RGIII 65.6% completions 20TDs 102.4 Rating
Schaub 67.9% completions 29TDs 98.6 Rating
Hoyer right now 55.7% completions 11TDs 86 Rating
Those other two QBs aren't even good. Schaub is a bum and RGIII doesn't even know any QB mechanics and they blew Hoyer out of the water in this system. Thats how bad Hoyer is. The most QB friendly system in the universe and he's dead last in completion % in the NFL in it.
"Oh but Stockton the run game" Shut up. The run game is failing because nobody is scared of Brian Hoyer. Teams loading up against the run only opens more opportunities up for the passing game, not less.
Put it this way, right now Tom Brady has the 31st ranked rushing O.
Andrew Luck has the 25th ranked rushing O.
Big Ben 19th.
Phillip Rivers 29th.Aaron Rodgers 13th.
Hell Arizona is 30th in rushing. Why are they not struggling?
And before you go "Well the offensive line..." I'll stop you there.
The Oline in RGIIIs first year was 23rd in Pass Protection.
In Schaubs year his Oline was 16th in pass protection.
Browns pass protection is 8th.
"But Stockton the Wide Receivers"
Right now the Browns have the second least drops in the entire NFL. Second LEAST.In RGIIIs rookie year, the Redskins LED THE LEAGUE IN DROPS. Led the entire NFL.
Hoyer is a Miller High Life in a Champagne League."Oh but Stockton the run game" Shut up. The run game is failing because nobody is scared of Brian Hoyer. Teams loading up against the run only opens more opportunities up for the passing game, not less.
Please review the footage and post the box counts for at least one of the games where you believe this has occurred.
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You can look at stats or a players intangibles, your call. Nothing you can do when you have zero protection and cookie cutter recievers that can't make a play or get open unless they're set up perefectly.
PS: die
Those issues were addressed in the post.
And please list these "intangibles".....
Those issues were addressed in the post.
And please list these "intangibles".....
Geat feel for the game, goes through his progressions, reads the field,good decisions, great touch, usually very accurate when his team allows him to get into a rhythm, knows how to switch up velocity on throws, great at hitting recievers I coverage squeezing it through tight windows, good technique, acceptable footwork. And his best attribute, his leadership and ability to get a team behind him. Makes his team better. And the dude is just a winner, always steps it up big time when we need him most. You can thank the protection and recievers' inability to do anything for his 4th quarter Sunday. Two completely different teams last year when hoyer was in and when weeden and Campbell were in. Only a handful of QB's could have been as succesful as hoyer up to this point in the season.
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Those issues were addressed in the post.
And please list these "intangibles".....
Geat feel for the game, goes through his progressions, reads the field,good decisions, great touch, usually very accurate when his team allows him to get into a rhythm, knows how to switch up velocity on throws, great at hitting recievers I coverage squeezing it through tight windows, good technique, acceptable footwork. And his best attribute, his leadership and ability to get a team behind him. Makes his team better. And the dude is just a winner, always steps it up big time when we need him most. You can thank the protection and recievers' inability to do anything for his 4th quarter Sunday. Two completely different teams last year when hoyer was in and when weeden and Campbell were in. Only a handful of QB's could have been as succesful as hoyer up to this point in the season.
Geat feel for the game, goes through his progressions, reads the field,good decisions, great touch, usually very accurate when his team allows him to get into a rhythm, knows how to switch up velocity on throws, great at hitting recievers I coverage squeezing it through tight windows, good technique, acceptable footwork. And his best attribute, his leadership and ability to get a team behind him. Makes his team better. And the dude is just a winner, always steps it up big time when we need him most. You can thank the protection and recievers' inability to do anything for his 4th quarter Sunday. Two completely different teams last year when hoyer was in and when weeden and Campbell were in. Only a handful of QB's could have been as succesful as hoyer up to this point in the season.
There is nothing in this post that is supported by facts. Not a single thing. From the fact hes terribly inaccurate (worst in the NFL) always has been, and right to the point where he makes his "team better". Meanwhile in losses everyone is complaining about how the team didn't play well. How is that making the team "better"?
I agree there were a a couple drops in the 4th on Sunday. The INT wasn't Hoyers fault. Now what do you do to explain away his 3rd quarter that saw him go 2-11?
Why is it if you point out that Hoyer is stinking up the joing (51% 4TD 4INT sub 80 Rating last 5 games) You're "Not a true Browns fan" however its perfectly fine for everyone to throw the OLine (8th in pass protection) and the WRs core (2nd least drops in the NFL) under the bus and still be a "True Browns fan"?
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"Oh but Stockton the run game" Shut up. The run game is failing because nobody is scared of Brian Hoyer. Teams loading up against the run only opens more opportunities up for the passing game, not less.
Please review the footage and post the box counts for at least one of the games where you believe this has occurred.
Please review the footage and post the box counts for at least one of the games where you believe this has occurred.
Happens every game. Not only that, but you don't have to just load up the box to stop the run. You can play man and simply dedicate your interior D to stopping the run, leaving maybe a safety high just for a deep chuck.
Thats what teams do. Its not an argument anymore.
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Geat feel for the game, goes through his progressions, reads the field,good decisions, great touch, usually very accurate when his team allows him to get into a rhythm, knows how to switch up velocity on throws, great at hitting recievers I coverage squeezing it through tight windows, good technique, acceptable footwork. And his best attribute, his leadership and ability to get a team behind him. Makes his team better. And the dude is just a winner, always steps it up big time when we need him most. You can thank the protection and recievers' inability to do anything for his 4th quarter Sunday. Two completely different teams last year when hoyer was in and when weeden and Campbell were in. Only a handful of QB's could have been as succesful as hoyer up to this point in the season.
There is nothing in this post that is supported by facts. Not a single thing. From the fact hes terribly inaccurate (worst in the NFL) always has been, and right to the point where he makes his "team better". Meanwhile in losses everyone is complaining about how the team didn't play well. How is that making the team "better"?
I agree there were a a couple drops in the 4th on Sunday. The INT wasn't Hoyers fault. Now what do you do to explain away his 3rd quarter that saw him go 2-11?
Why is it if you point out that Hoyer is stinking up the joing (51% 4TD 4INT sub 80 Rating last 5 games) You're "Not a true Browns fan" however its perfectly fine for everyone to throw the OLine (8th in pass protection) and the WRs core (2nd least drops in the NFL) under the bus and still be a "True Browns fan"?
There is nothing in this post that is supported by facts. Not a single thing. From the fact hes terribly inaccurate (worst in the NFL) always has been, and right to the point where he makes his "team better". Meanwhile in losses everyone is complaining about how the team didn't play well. How is that making the team "better"?
I agree there were a a couple drops in the 4th on Sunday. The INT wasn't Hoyers fault. Now what do you do to explain away his 3rd quarter that saw him go 2-11?
Why is it if you point out that Hoyer is stinking up the joing (51% 4TD 4INT sub 80 Rating last 5 games) You're "Not a true Browns fan" however its perfectly fine for everyone to throw the OLine (8th in pass protection) and the WRs core (2nd least drops in the NFL) under the bus and still be a "True Browns fan"?
Like I said, you can look at stats or at intangibles and watch the games. I'm not even going to bother explaining why those stats you put up are completely pointless in context. I'm done with you, you're an idiot and have an agenda. Seriously tho, go die
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There is nothing in this post that is supported by facts. Not a single thing. From the fact hes terribly inaccurate (worst in the NFL) always has been, and right to the point where he makes his "team better". Meanwhile in losses everyone is complaining about how the team didn't play well. How is that making the team "better"?
I agree there were a a couple drops in the 4th on Sunday. The INT wasn't Hoyers fault. Now what do you do to explain away his 3rd quarter that saw him go 2-11?
Why is it if you point out that Hoyer is stinking up the joing (51% 4TD 4INT sub 80 Rating last 5 games) You're "Not a true Browns fan" however its perfectly fine for everyone to throw the OLine (8th in pass protection) and the WRs core (2nd least drops in the NFL) under the bus and still be a "True Browns fan"?
Like I said, you can look at stats or at intangibles and watch the games. I'm not even going to bother explaining why those stats you put up are completely pointless in context. I'm done with you, you're an idiot and have an agenda. Seriously tho, go die
Like I said, you can look at stats or at intangibles and watch the games. I'm not even going to bother explaining why those stats you put up are completely pointless in context. I'm done with you, you're an idiot and have an agenda. Seriously tho, go die
You're done because you've run out of legs to stand on.
I've watched every game. If you're still under the mindset that Brian Hoyer is a Franchise QB, a long term answer, then there is no way you've watched every game this year.
This is what has happened around here. Everyone accusing everyone who isn't on board with Hoyer of being a "Johnny Fanboy" when in reality you're all just Hoyer fanboys. You're more in love with Hoyer then you are the Browns. If cared more about the Browns you wouldn't think much of Hoyer and certainly wouldn't jump to defend him, while throwing the rest of the team under the bus, after a 30 incompletion game.
Brain Fanboys are the problem. People too blind to see the truth because they're in love with the local kid. You care more about Hoyer than you do the Browns and its proven when you trash everyone on the team except for Hoyer.
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Please review the footage and post the box counts for at least one of the games where you believe this has occurred.
Happens every game. Not only that, but you don't have to just load up the box to stop the run. You can play man and simply dedicate your interior D to stopping the run, leaving maybe a safety high just for a deep chuck.
Thats what teams do. Its not an argument anymore.
Happens every game. Not only that, but you don't have to just load up the box to stop the run. You can play man and simply dedicate your interior D to stopping the run, leaving maybe a safety high just for a deep chuck.
Thats what teams do. Its not an argument anymore.
No it doesn't, but you're right it isn't an argument. We had teams more committed to stopping the run pre-Mack injury (but Pitt, NO, BLT, TN still couldn't contain either our run or pass game) than we did post-mack injury (Jax, Oak, TB, HOU) - Cincinasty being the exception, but we had ourselves in many more rushing downs. This is considering higher box counts, which would likely include only 1 deep safety. If you would pay attention you would realize that on many of Hoyer's incompletions in the exceptionally bad games against Jax and now Houston they came on plays with a 3-4 man rush and everybody back in coverage - whether that includes 2 deep safeties or not.
There's certainly some good analysis and discussion that could be made on failed passing plays (What went wrong - inaccurate, pressure, nobody open, wrong read), but you choose not to participate in any of it - maybe because you have a lack of understanding for the game of football.
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Geat feel for the game, goes through his progressions, reads the field,good decisions, great touch, usually very accurate when his team allows him to get into a rhythm, knows how to switch up velocity on throws, great at hitting recievers I coverage squeezing it through tight windows, good technique, acceptable footwork. And his best attribute, his leadership and ability to get a team behind him. Makes his team better. And the dude is just a winner, always steps it up big time when we need him most. You can thank the protection and recievers' inability to do anything for his 4th quarter Sunday. Two completely different teams last year when hoyer was in and when weeden and Campbell were in. Only a handful of QB's could have been as succesful as hoyer up to this point in the season.
There is nothing in this post that is supported by facts. Not a single thing. From the fact hes terribly inaccurate (worst in the NFL) always has been, and right to the point where he makes his "team better". Meanwhile in losses everyone is complaining about how the team didn't play well. How is that making the team "better"?
I agree there were a a couple drops in the 4th on Sunday. The INT wasn't Hoyers fault. Now what do you do to explain away his 3rd quarter that saw him go 2-11?
Why is it if you point out that Hoyer is stinking up the joing (51% 4TD 4INT sub 80 Rating last 5 games) You're "Not a true Browns fan" however its perfectly fine for everyone to throw the OLine (8th in pass protection) and the WRs core (2nd least drops in the NFL) under the bus and still be a "True Browns fan"?
There is nothing in this post that is supported by facts. Not a single thing. From the fact hes terribly inaccurate (worst in the NFL) always has been, and right to the point where he makes his "team better". Meanwhile in losses everyone is complaining about how the team didn't play well. How is that making the team "better"?
I agree there were a a couple drops in the 4th on Sunday. The INT wasn't Hoyers fault. Now what do you do to explain away his 3rd quarter that saw him go 2-11?
Why is it if you point out that Hoyer is stinking up the joing (51% 4TD 4INT sub 80 Rating last 5 games) You're "Not a true Browns fan" however its perfectly fine for everyone to throw the OLine (8th in pass protection) and the WRs core (2nd least drops in the NFL) under the bus and still be a "True Browns fan"?
You are singling out one player, the o line has been bad at times, as have the wide receivers, along with the run D, special teams, and hoyer. We are saying the team as a whole has played bad, and we cite specific examples based on specific games. You on the other hand cry about hoyer every game, even when he plays well. Your obsession over him sucking, when he is actually probably the best qb we have had since 99, is what makes it seem like you are not a "true browns fan".
You also never seem to enjoy the win, even after the cincy game, you came on and cried more about hoyer.
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Like I said, you can look at stats or at intangibles and watch the games. I'm not even going to bother explaining why those stats you put up are completely pointless in context. I'm done with you, you're an idiot and have an agenda. Seriously tho, go die
You're done because you've run out of legs to stand on.
I've watched every game. If you're still under the mindset that Brian Hoyer is a Franchise QB, a long term answer, then there is no way you've watched every game this year.
This is what has happened around here. Everyone accusing everyone who isn't on board with Hoyer of being a "Johnny Fanboy" when in reality you're all just Hoyer fanboys. You're more in love with Hoyer then you are the Browns. If cared more about the Browns you wouldn't think much of Hoyer and certainly wouldn't jump to defend him, while throwing the rest of the team under the bus, after a 30 incompletion game.
Brain Fanboys are the problem. People too blind to see the truth because they're in love with the local kid. You care more about Hoyer than you do the Browns and its proven when you trash everyone on the team except for Hoyer.
You're done because you've run out of legs to stand on.
I've watched every game. If you're still under the mindset that Brian Hoyer is a Franchise QB, a long term answer, then there is no way you've watched every game this year.
This is what has happened around here. Everyone accusing everyone who isn't on board with Hoyer of being a "Johnny Fanboy" when in reality you're all just Hoyer fanboys. You're more in love with Hoyer then you are the Browns. If cared more about the Browns you wouldn't think much of Hoyer and certainly wouldn't jump to defend him, while throwing the rest of the team under the bus, after a 30 incompletion game.
Brain Fanboys are the problem. People too blind to see the truth because they're in love with the local kid. You care more about Hoyer than you do the Browns and its proven when you trash everyone on the team except for Hoyer.
I point out what is going on. It's no secret our receiving crew, running game, and pass protection combined isn't ideal to win football games. Hoyer's gotten way more out of this team than should have. I'll come back to you next year when we have Mack back and gordon playing
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Thats so true Stockton..
"Hoyers Heros" always come with the line that the "Manzealots" care more about Manziel than the team.. if thats true then they are just as guilty
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There is nothing in this post that is supported by facts. Not a single thing. From the fact hes terribly inaccurate (worst in the NFL) always has been, and right to the point where he makes his "team better". Meanwhile in losses everyone is complaining about how the team didn't play well. How is that making the team "better"?
I agree there were a a couple drops in the 4th on Sunday. The INT wasn't Hoyers fault. Now what do you do to explain away his 3rd quarter that saw him go 2-11?
Why is it if you point out that Hoyer is stinking up the joing (51% 4TD 4INT sub 80 Rating last 5 games) You're "Not a true Browns fan" however its perfectly fine for everyone to throw the OLine (8th in pass protection) and the WRs core (2nd least drops in the NFL) under the bus and still be a "True Browns fan"?
You are singling out one player, the o line has been bad at times, as have the wide receivers, along with the run D, special teams, and hoyer. We are saying the team as a whole has played bad, and we cite specific examples based on specific games. You on the other hand cry about hoyer every game, even when he plays well. Your obsession over him sucking, when he is actually probably the best qb we have had since 99, is what makes it seem like you are not a "true browns fan".
You also never seem to enjoy the win, even after the cincy game, you came on and cried more about hoyer.
you came on and cried more about hoyer.
Hahaha.
It's the ONLY thing he does. And it's not a discussion. It's a 6 month, 50,000 word, 457 hour non stop rant. He has devoted his LIFE to being here and repeating the same thing over and over and over again
You'll learn.
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