How many games would we have to lose before you bench Hoyer
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I've already seen losses where we shouldn't have lost.
Add all the key injuries (primarily on D and that units' performance) and I still see this Team in transition.
Trust me, I would absolutely love to have the last to first / Cinderella story going for this Team, but some of the Eggs they've laid + injuries are just too much for me to see that.
I do see a definite positive change in direction for the Team though, they're starting to get it together, but some of our prime players don't seem to be reflecting that (sadly).
Sure, l see the chinks in the armor too, but the only thing l can realistically control in this is my attitude.
We've both felt the suckiness of past seasons, but there's plenty of coffin nails not in the coffin right now.
In our division, we haven't even bought the coffin yet.Sure, l see the chinks in the armor too, but the only thing l can realistically control in this is my attitude.
We've both felt the suckiness of past seasons, but there's plenty of coffin nails not in the coffin right now.
We haven't lost games because of Hoyer, which is good at least (not that he helped blah blah). We have won games because of him earlier on though (saints, titans)
Let's just torch Atlanta
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It's great that Manziel gets to watch and learn and not be thrown to the wolves like many rookies.
Hoyer is doing fine. He's had no running game and 5'7" receivers to throw to.
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In our division, we haven't even bought the coffin yet.Sure, l see the chinks in the armor too, but the only thing l can realistically control in this is my attitude.
We've both felt the suckiness of past seasons, but there's plenty of coffin nails not in the coffin right now.
We haven't lost games because of Hoyer, which is good at least (not that he helped blah blah). We have won games because of him earlier on though (saints, titans)
Let's just torch Atlanta
In our division, we haven't even bought the coffin yet.
We haven't lost games because of Hoyer, which is good at least (not that he helped blah blah). We have won games because of him earlier on though (saints, titans)
Let's just torch Atlanta
That's what l'm talkin' about! Put that coffin on layaway for another year.
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It's great that Manziel gets to watch and learn and not be thrown to the wolves like many rookies.
Hoyer is doing fine. He's had no running game and 5'7" receivers to throw to.
Hoyer is doing fine. He's had no running game and 5'7" receivers to throw to.
Oh bull fucking shit.
Those 5'7 receivers were good enough to beat The Steelers, Bengals, Saints, etc.
The running game was there until Mack went down and came back vs. The Bengals.
You don't get to use that excuse at your convenience when they lose and then praise Hoyer when we win. It's cheap and pathetic
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Did not see it mentioned yet, but BH needs 5 or 6 quarters of snaps to trigger a couple million in bonus clause pay.
Best way to ensure he gets it? A win in ATL...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/11/cleveland_browns_brian_hoyer_o_1.html
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Hoyer is doing fine. He's had no running game and 5'7" receivers to throw to.
Oh bull fucking shit.
Those 5'7 receivers were good enough to beat The Steelers, Bengals, Saints, etc.
The running game was there until Mack went down and came back vs. The Bengals.
You don't get to use that excuse at your convenience when they lose and then praise Hoyer when we win. It's cheap and pathetic
Those 5'7 receivers were good enough to beat The Steelers, Bengals, Saints, etc.
Hey na hey na, those teams ain't no slouches. Don't be dissing the tots of destruction.
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I've already seen losses where we shouldn't have lost.
Add all the key injuries (primarily on D and that units' performance) and I still see this Team in transition.
Trust me, I would absolutely love to have the last to first / Cinderella story going for this Team, but some of the Eggs they've laid + injuries are just too much for me to see that.
I do see a definite positive change in direction for the Team though, they're starting to get it together, but some of our prime players don't seem to be reflecting that (sadly).
Sure, l see the chinks in the armor too, but the only thing l can realistically control in this is my attitude.
We've both felt the suckiness of past seasons, but there's plenty of coffin nails not in the coffin right now.
Sure, l see the chinks in the armor too, but the only thing l can realistically control in this is my attitude.
We've both felt the suckiness of past seasons, but there's plenty of coffin nails not in the coffin right now.
Having lived through Red Right 88, The Drive, The Fumble, The Move. and so many other iconic games . . . . sadly just too much pain too see things any other way at this point.
I really like where the Team is at and where we're headed, but too me we're more at :
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Hoyer is doing fine. He's had no running game and 5'7" receivers to throw to.
Oh bull fucking shit.
Those 5'7 receivers were good enough to beat The Steelers, Bengals, Saints, etc.
The running game was there until Mack went down and came back vs. The Bengals.
You don't get to use that excuse at your convenience when they lose and then praise Hoyer when we win. It's cheap and pathetic
Oh bull fucking shit.
Those 5'7 receivers were good enough to beat The Steelers, Bengals, Saints, etc.
The running game was there until Mack went down and came back vs. The Bengals.
You don't get to use that excuse at your convenience when they lose and then praise Hoyer when we win. It's cheap and pathetic
Yeah, Hoyer played lousy against the Texans and Jags. It's any given Sunday this year, Walter. Peyton Manning played like shit against the Rams, and not all that much better against the Patriots. FWIW, Hoyer has thrown as many interceptions this season as Eli Manning threw in ONE GAME. Stockton won't want to hear it, but Hoyer is #1 in the NFL in yards per completion, and third in passes of 20+ yards. So much for the theory- teams don't respect him deep. When they don't- they get torched.
Manzelots = restless after a loss. Hoyer hasn't had back to back stinkers- yet. I'm looking for that trend to continue Sunday.
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If they get to the point that they're mathematically eliminated, then it may be Manzitime.
If they get to the point that they're mathematically eliminated, then it may be Manzitime.
Been saying that all along.
Some of you "fans" don't deserve a winning football team.
Wouldn't it be novel if, for once, this fan base actually supported our winning starting QB instead of calling for his head after a bad game or two? I got news for all of you who think your hero Johhny Football is going to go out and "wreck the league" in his first few starts. You are WRONG! Then what? do we start calling for his head, too? if he doesn't win more than he loses in his first 12 games?
At some point, we are going to have to give a guy the opportunity to get through the growing pains.
Anyone here who believes that Johnny is doing better in practice than Hoyer, but yet isn't starting is fooling themselves. WTH would be the reason for that? Have we all NOT seen the UDFA K'Waun Williams playing ahead of Gilbert? Did that happen in a vacuum? Did they just say "eff it" lets see if this UDFA is better than the 8th overall pick for the hell of it? Or, perhaps, just maybe, Williams was preparing and practicing better than Gilbert?
Keep on believing you know more than the coaches who watch practice every day. This staff appears to care more about winning, and in turn, keeping their jobs than satisfying a fan clamoring for something they know nothing about.
Every NFL expert I heard said that Johnny was not a lock as a pro. He would need to be coached out of bad habits and have a lot to learn about the pro game as far as learning a playbook and reading defenses. If he was as good as you all seem to think he is, he wouldn't have slipped to 22 and he certainly would have been drafted ahead of Bortles. He wasn't for a reason.
I get that patience has worn thin for Browns fans, but our record this year would most likely look a helluva lot more like all the other rookie records this year if we had gone with Manziel, and there is no guarantee it won't look like that next year if he starts. Calm down and let the people who know what they are doing make these decisions. Jeebus!
Or, we could continue the pattern we have had since 1999. Start a new QB every season and see how it goes. It's worked so well in the past.
^+1. Excellent point about Williams- and you could add giving Ben Tate the gate after West & Crowell outplayed him.
Pettine doesn't strike me as a guy who's all warm & fuzzy about the Hoyer story just because he's from Cleveland. I have zero doubt if he thought Manziel gave him a better chance to win- he'd be starting. I have no idea when that might be.
MHO is- if a game get to garbage time, one way or another- sure put the kid in. Or if the Browns are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs- but we just saw the hot streak Chiefs just lost to the Raiders- so stay tuned, anything's possible in this whacky season.
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Based on how he writes you might have to settle for a six pack of ginger ale. Oh ya thats right...
But what if it was Vernor's? I miss that stuff...
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Based on how he writes you might have to settle for a six pack of ginger ale. Oh ya thats right...
But what if it was Vernor's? I miss that stuff...
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I put this question in the category of "too early to ask". Come back if your original scenario plays out and the Browns are totally out of playoff contention. Then ask it.
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So no ginger ale for me- ever. Mr. Hoorta
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When I was kid, I had knee surgery, and they kept bringing me ginger ale
because I was tired of water. Well, that sucked the first time, and made me
sick every time after that. But, they kept bringing me ginger ale. Made for
a little drama - they'd bring it, and tell me I had to drink something, and I'd
say it was nasty, and refused. So, my surgeon shows up, and they complain
to him that I wouldn't drink the ginger ale, or water. So, he turns to me and
grins and asked me about it, and asked what I -would- like, and then turned
to the stuffy, unfriendly nurse, and yelled for her to work another wing, and
had my new nurse, to get me some root beer. She was cute, too.
and I've been a root beer guy ever since. I wouln't remember this story,
except a several years ago, we were out on our pontoon boat, and all we had was
Vernor's, and it all came back to me. I'd rather drink the lake water and get sick,
if I had to choose....
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And you don't bench a qb just because you lose some games.
Eventually, you bench him when his play is consistently the sole reason
that the offense is being held back over time.
Hoyer has had a few rough outings, and has also shined brilliantly.
Give the Browns player hate, especially the qb, a rest ?
Just my dumb opinion....
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The Browns defense is decimated. I looked up the depth chart and there wasn't even a name next to C Nick McDonald.
The Browns defense is decimated. I looked up the depth chart and there wasn't even a name next to C Nick McDonald.
It's likely Greco if McDonald goes down.
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It's likely Greco if McDonald goes down.
... or Bito...
Meanwhile back at the thread...
Given that it is logical that we are only in contention for a post-season spot so long as Hoyer continues to play decent ball, most seem to agree that so long as the playoffs are possible Hoyer starts.
For those that think now is too late to make a QB change:
Asked one day recently about Manziel’s readiness to play in the NFL, Pettine gave a notably tepid endorsement, telling reporters, “He’s shown the ability in glimpses to be a starting quarterback here in the NFL.” Another person familiar with the coaching staff’s assessment of Manziel put it more bluntly: “He’s isn’t ready.”
The entire article is worth a read and fairly balanced.
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