All of us Hoyer backers should admit one thing...
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It would be nice to have had an explanation for what happened on those two final INT's. Did Gordon have something to do with it or was it all on Hoyer? Maybe that jump ball in the endzone was something they had talked about..who knows. That final one though, has to go to the sideline unless the route was something so completley different than what Gordon ran.
Hoyer talked about them in is press conference. His primary read (the RB) wasn't open, he thought he'd give Gordon a chance in the end zone or worst case it would go out of bounds (Clearly he didn't give Gordon much of a chance and it wasn't high enough to go out of bounds). I somewhat suspect he didn't place it where he wanted to (Which turned out bad). I'd have prefered him to gun it to the third row, but hopefully we don't see that mistake again.
The 3rd INT I think he said Gordon wasn't where he expected him to be? But he said it was his fault (I'm sure he would say that even if he believed otherwise). Regardless, if Gordon was where that ball went - it would have been a dangerous throw into coverage anyway.
The first one of course was because Hoyer threw it like a 10 year old girl, not because it was a bad decision (It was a bad decision to throw it like a 10 y/o girl, but putting more on it with a high arc would have made it a good decision).
Definitely chemistry issues with Gordon a bit (expect it to get better), but also a bad game by Hoyer. For some reason, Hoyer loooves the game winning drives though (what is he, 9-4 with 5 4th quarter winning drives as a brown...)
Hoyer talked about them in is press conference. His primary read (the RB) wasn't open, he thought he'd give Gordon a chance in the end zone or worst case it would go out of bounds (Clearly he didn't give Gordon much of a chance and it wasn't high enough to go out of bounds). I somewhat suspect he didn't place it where he wanted to (Which turned out bad). I'd have prefered him to gun it to the third row, but hopefully we don't see that mistake again.
But off his back foot, as I believe this one was, his tendency is to underthrow. Funny thing is if he underthrows it by another three yards or so, then Gordo's chances improve...
The 3rd INT I think he said Gordon wasn't where he expected him to be? But he said it was his fault (I'm sure he would say that even if he believed otherwise). Regardless, if Gordon was where that ball went - it would have been a dangerous throw into coverage anyway.
I can see him counting on Josh to get a 50/50 ball, but this one did not need to be 50/50. Bad decision or an even worse throw.
The first one of course was because Hoyer threw it like a 10 year old girl, not because it was a bad decision (It was a bad decision to throw it like a 10 y/o girl, but putting more on it with a high arc would have made it a good decision).
Worst of the three I think because it is one we've seen him make. I am honestly not sure if he saw the DB, or did and thought it was a less athletic LB or DL, or did and just threw it badly.
When I saw it live I initially thought the DB just made a play, but the ground level replay showed how flat the pass was... and it was unbelievably flat...
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On injury... I have thought the same. But not striding properly to protect a knee should be a front leg issue... but his right knee is the repaired one.
That said he limped off the field late against JAX from an unflagged, left knee shot he took late mid throw. It was the play when he threw behind Tate, who tipped it and it was INT'd. Hoyer limped off the field after that shot.
And lately his drops have seemed less crisp... his plant's less forceful, and that would be right knee. Anyway...
Whatever the reason...
whichever the knee...
he has to fix his footwork and fast.
Starting this week it gets real real fast...
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well if you think about it this is like hoyer's rookie year, plus a couple of games. so he's played 14 games, 11 after a knee injury. if JF had us at 7 and 4 (disregarding hoyer altogether.....as if he wasn't even here) there would be no discussion except maybe from some fans of a backup that they wanted to start from day one. without the outside noise most browns fans are happy with the record, noting that the QB needs to step up his game no matter what the problem is.
eat that shiteheads.
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Hoyer will be fine. I think the whole offense struggles with the playbook at times. Hoyer is keeping this team together offensively. Make no mistake about that! Honestly I don't see JFF being a Brown for long. He's been and will always be a distraction.
Hoyer will be fine. I think the whole offense struggles with the playbook at times. Hoyer is keeping this team together offensively. Make no mistake about that! Honestly I don't see JFF being a Brown for long. He's been and will always be a distraction.
I can't see the Browns giving Johnny away
Unless they get a 1st round pick, Farmer will never give Johnny away
Johnny is stuck here for 4 years. He can act a fool as long as he doesn't get arrested.
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Can someone explain to me how 4 throws at the end of the game can make you forget about the other 35 throws. Hoyer is mentality tough without question but the four throws he made against a prevent defense were not very hard throws. The question with Hoyer isn't his mental ability, it's his physical. He can't set his feet and most of his throws are off target. And stop saying that at times he looks good or makes really accurate passes. Every QB in college, the NFL, even high school makes good throws every now and then. If you are in the NFL you need to make almost perfect throws 65% of the time to be a decent starter and Hoyer hasn't shown he can do it now or even back in college.
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This is just stupid......Hoyer wins games. By all accounts, he personally lost that game in Atlanta...then brought them back and won it. There's no excuse for 3 interceptions in a game. Just ask Ben R., Peyton Manning, Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady. They've all had them. There's something special about a qb that can play that bad, drag his team down to the depths of losers, then keep their confidence and bring them back to win the game. We haven't seen that here in quite some time. you,may be used to that type of thing from college games. It doesn't happen that frequently in the pros. Your boy will get his chance. I just hope that when he does, he does well. We need him, and I would hate to hear about all you Texans and Manziel worshippers becoming suicidal.
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George C said:
The one glaring fault with JF is this.. He comes from a wealthy family, and money is not a motivator. He has been spoiled his entire life, and it didn't go over well at A&M.
If and when he decides to cry like a child, just what leverage does any team have with him?
Cleveland is very similar to Buffalo. We are hard working communities, and we don't like bullshit or distractions from our athletes.
JF is not a blue collar guy, and if he costs the Browns in any way from his outside activities, Cleveland will eat him alive.
The only, and I mean ONLY team that wants Manziel will be the Cowboys. Forget about 1st rounders dancing in your head, the only taker is Jerrah..
Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional.
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George C said:
The one glaring fault with JF is this.. He comes from a wealthy family, and money is not a motivator. He has been spoiled his entire life, and it didn't go over well at A&M.
If and when he decides to cry like a child, just what leverage does any team have with him?
Cleveland is very similar to Buffalo. We are hard working communities, and we don't like bullshit or distractions from our athletes.
JF is not a blue collar guy, and if he costs the Browns in any way from his outside activities, Cleveland will eat him alive.
The only, and I mean ONLY team that wants Manziel will be the Cowboys. Forget about 1st rounders dancing in your head, the only taker is Jerrah..
Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional.
Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional.
It's 8:00 am don't you have a school bus to catch.
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Can someone explain to me how 4 throws at the end of the game can make you forget about the other 35 throws. Hoyer is mentality tough without question but the four throws he made against a prevent defense were not very hard throws. The question with Hoyer isn't his mental ability, it's his physical. He can't set his feet and most of his throws are off target. And stop saying that at times he looks good or makes really accurate passes. Every QB in college, the NFL, even high school makes good throws every now and then. If you are in the NFL you need to make almost perfect throws 65% of the time to be a decent starter and Hoyer hasn't shown he can do it now or even back in college.
Can someone explain to me how 4 throws at the end of the game can make you forget about the other 35 throws. Hoyer is mentality tough without question but the four throws he made against a prevent defense were not very hard throws. The question with Hoyer isn't his mental ability, it's his physical. He can't set his feet and most of his throws are off target. And stop saying that at times he looks good or makes really accurate passes. Every QB in college, the NFL, even high school makes good throws every now and then. If you are in the NFL you need to make almost perfect throws 65% of the time to be a decent starter and Hoyer hasn't shown he can do it now or even back in college.
Idk if you noticed, but nobody forgot.
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George C said:
The one glaring fault with JF is this.. He comes from a wealthy family, and money is not a motivator. He has been spoiled his entire life, and it didn't go over well at A&M.
If and when he decides to cry like a child, just what leverage does any team have with him?
Cleveland is very similar to Buffalo. We are hard working communities, and we don't like bullshit or distractions from our athletes.
JF is not a blue collar guy, and if he costs the Browns in any way from his outside activities, Cleveland will eat him alive.
The only, and I mean ONLY team that wants Manziel will be the Cowboys. Forget about 1st rounders dancing in your head, the only taker is Jerrah..
Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional.
Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional.
There's collegiate "hard work" and then there's NFL "HARD WORK". NFL Dust bins are littered with "successful" college QBs who never worked hard enough for the NFL. QBs like JaMarcus Russell and Matt Leinart and many more, and now it's rumored that RG3 is one of these as well.
Obviously we had interest in JM... also obvious, there's been a taming program underway almost since Day One.
Idk if you noticed, but nobody forgot.
I was going to go with, "Three words: Game Winning Drive," but you're right... no one forgot.
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Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional.
There's collegiate "hard work" and then there's NFL "HARD WORK". NFL Dust bins are littered with "successful" college QBs who never worked hard enough for the NFL. QBs like JaMarcus Russell and Matt Leinart and many more, and now it's rumored that RG3 is one of these as well.
Obviously we had interest in JM... also obvious, there's been a taming program underway almost since Day One.
Idk if you noticed, but nobody forgot.
I was going to go with, "Three words: Game Winning Drive," but you're right... no one forgot.
There's collegiate "hard work" and then there's NFL "HARD WORK". NFL Dust bins are littered with "successful" college QBs who never worked hard enough for the NFL. QBs like JaMarcus Russell and Matt Leinart and many more, and now it's rumored that RG3 is one of these as well.
Obviously we had interest in JM... also obvious, there's been a taming program underway almost since Day One.
I was going to go with, "Three words: Game Winning Drive," but you're right... no one forgot.
Those qb were motivated to get paid. Once they got paid they lost their motivation.
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George C said:
The one glaring fault with JF is this.. He comes from a wealthy family, and money is not a motivator. He has been spoiled his entire life, and it didn't go over well at A&M.
If and when he decides to cry like a child, just what leverage does any team have with him?
Cleveland is very similar to Buffalo. We are hard working communities, and we don't like bullshit or distractions from our athletes.
JF is not a blue collar guy, and if he costs the Browns in any way from his outside activities, Cleveland will eat him alive.
The only, and I mean ONLY team that wants Manziel will be the Cowboys. Forget about 1st rounders dancing in your head, the only taker is Jerrah..
Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional.
Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise.
That's about the eighth time l've seen it proposed that we just flag down some of Johnny's former teammates and coaches to get their opinion on him. Can we come to an understanding that no one is going to do that?
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There's collegiate "hard work" and then there's NFL "HARD WORK". NFL Dust bins are littered with "successful" college QBs who never worked hard enough for the NFL. QBs like JaMarcus Russell and Matt Leinart and many more, and now it's rumored that RG3 is one of these as well.
Obviously we had interest in JM... also obvious, there's been a taming program underway almost since Day One.
I was going to go with, "Three words: Game Winning Drive," but you're right... no one forgot.
Those qb were motivated to get paid. Once they got paid they lost their motivation.
Those qb were motivated to get paid. Once they got paid they lost their motivation.
Ah... so "rich kid" is an asset as he doesn't need the money?
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George C said:
The one glaring fault with JF is this.. He comes from a wealthy family, and money is not a motivator. He has been spoiled his entire life, and it didn't go over well at A&M.
If and when he decides to cry like a child, just what leverage does any team have with him?
Cleveland is very similar to Buffalo. We are hard working communities, and we don't like bullshit or distractions from our athletes.
JF is not a blue collar guy, and if he costs the Browns in any way from his outside activities, Cleveland will eat him alive.
The only, and I mean ONLY team that wants Manziel will be the Cowboys. Forget about 1st rounders dancing in your head, the only taker is Jerrah..
Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional.
Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional
First and foremost as a Browns fan I hope your Johnny love pans out for us someday and he is a great QB. There are plenty of people who are successful at the college level with questionable work ethics. Did you see a great work ethic over the summer from Johnny to try to earn this job? Did you see him putting in extra time on the field with receivers? Rolling bills in a bathroom in Vegas, hanging with rappers and be Mr. Hollywood is what I saw. I would also be willing to bet there was no "blue collar" element of management on the Browns that wanted Johnny. That has Haslam written all over it and he is about as far from blue collar as you can get.
Again I hope you are right and he keeps his nose clean and become a great QB but there are serious signs of concern with the kid.
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Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional
First and foremost as a Browns fan I hope your Johnny love pans out for us someday and he is a great QB. There are plenty of people who are successful at the college level with questionable work ethics. Did you see a great work ethic over the summer from Johnny to try to earn this job? Did you see him putting in extra time on the field with receivers? Rolling bills in a bathroom in Vegas, hanging with rappers and be Mr. Hollywood is what I saw. I would also be willing to bet there was no "blue collar" element of management on the Browns that wanted Johnny. That has Haslam written all over it and he is about as far from blue collar as you can get.
Again I hope you are right and he keeps his nose clean and become a great QB but there are serious signs of concern with the kid.
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Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional
First and foremost as a Browns fan I hope your Johnny love pans out for us someday and he is a great QB. There are plenty of people who are successful at the college level with questionable work ethics. Did you see a great work ethic over the summer from Johnny to try to earn this job? Did you see him putting in extra time on the field with receivers? Rolling bills in a bathroom in Vegas, hanging with rappers and be Mr. Hollywood is what I saw. I would also be willing to bet there was no "blue collar" element of management on the Browns that wanted Johnny. That has Haslam written all over it and he is about as far from blue collar as you can get.
Again I hope you are right and he keeps his nose clean and become a great QB but there are serious signs of concern with the kid.
First and foremost as a Browns fan I hope your Johnny love pans out for us someday and he is a great QB. There are plenty of people who are successful at the college level with questionable work ethics. Did you see a great work ethic over the summer from Johnny to try to earn this job? Did you see him putting in extra time on the field with receivers? Rolling bills in a bathroom in Vegas, hanging with rappers and be Mr. Hollywood is what I saw. I would also be willing to bet there was no "blue collar" element of management on the Browns that wanted Johnny. That has Haslam written all over it and he is about as far from blue collar as you can get.
Again I hope you are right and he keeps his nose clean and become a great QB but there are serious signs of concern with the kid.
All of the pictures of him with rappers or drinking in clubs has absolutely nothing to do with his work ethic. I would imagine there are many pro bowlers or other lesser known players who party just as much as Johnny but don't have any pictures taken. None of Johnny's off the field issues have ever shown up on the field or in practice. I don't know what he is doing in practice and neither do you. I just know at A&M to come back from a Heisman season with all the publicity and praise and off the field stuff and actually improve shows me something. And maybe he put in the work to get drafted but he is extremely competitive and believe me he isn't going to take his money and ride into the sunset.
And I will give you that he should probably tone it down it bit with the clubbing and taking pictures knowing how popular he is but Johnny is just being Johnny. That stuff is the reason he gets commercials and is so popular.
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First and foremost as a Browns fan I hope your Johnny love pans out for us someday and he is a great QB. There are plenty of people who are successful at the college level with questionable work ethics. Did you see a great work ethic over the summer from Johnny to try to earn this job? Did you see him putting in extra time on the field with receivers? Rolling bills in a bathroom in Vegas, hanging with rappers and be Mr. Hollywood is what I saw. I would also be willing to bet there was no "blue collar" element of management on the Browns that wanted Johnny. That has Haslam written all over it and he is about as far from blue collar as you can get.
Again I hope you are right and he keeps his nose clean and become a great QB but there are serious signs of concern with the kid.
All of the pictures of him with rappers or drinking in clubs has absolutely nothing to do with his work ethic. I would imagine there are many pro bowlers or other lesser known players who party just as much as Johnny but don't have any pictures taken. None of Johnny's off the field issues have ever shown up on the field or in practice. I don't know what he is doing in practice and neither do you. I just know at A&M to come back from a Heisman season with all the publicity and praise and off the field stuff and actually improve shows me something. And maybe he put in the work to get drafted but he is extremely competitive and believe me he isn't going to take his money and ride into the sunset.
And I will give you that he should probably tone it down it bit with the clubbing and taking pictures knowing how popular he is but Johnny is just being Johnny. That stuff is the reason he gets commercials and is so popular.
All of the pictures of him with rappers or drinking in clubs has absolutely nothing to do with his work ethic.
Yes they do. People with a good work ethic aren't out at 2:30 partying the night before a big game(or meeting, or presentation, etc etc)
I would imagine there are many pro bowlers or other lesser known players who party just as much as Johnny but don't have any pictures taken.
Pro bowlers?....say what???....worst analogy ever.
None of Johnny's off the field issues have ever shown up on the field or in practice.
Johnny has never shown up on the field either. Could that be a sign? A lot of people seem to think it's possible.
I don't know what he is doing in practice and neither do you.
We know he didn't out work Hoyer.
I just know at A&M to come back from a Heisman season with all the publicity and praise and off the field stuff and actually improve shows me something. And maybe he put in the work to get drafted but he is extremely competitive and believe me he isn't going to take his money and ride into the sunset.
For the 10,000th time, college is ancient history. Means nothing. Bottom line, we can only judge what we see. And we see nothing on the field. But we keep seeing off field troubles and immature behavior. Like Bill Bellychuck used to say...."I can only go by what I see"....
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Can someone explain to me how 4 throws at the end of the game can make you forget about the other 35 throws. Hoyer is mentality tough without question but the four throws he made against a prevent defense were not very hard throws. The question with Hoyer isn't his mental ability, it's his physical. He can't set his feet and most of his throws are off target. And stop saying that at times he looks good or makes really accurate passes. Every QB in college, the NFL, even high school makes good throws every now and then. If you are in the NFL you need to make almost perfect throws 65% of the time to be a decent starter and Hoyer hasn't shown he can do it now or even back in college.
Can someone explain to me how 4 throws at the end of the game can make you forget about the other 35 throws.
Because those 4 throws led to victory, that is how. HELLO!! You play to win the game.....not the statistical battle. Besides, it wasn't 35 other throws that we needed to forget about, it was only about 5 throws....but yes, those 5 were bad.
Hoyer is mentality tough without question but the four throws he made against a prevent defense were not very hard throws. The question with Hoyer isn't his mental ability, it's his physical. He can't set his feet and most of his throws are off target.
He may still be suffering effects from his knee surgery....and again, it is not "Most throws" being off target. But the few that are do frustrate a fan.
And stop saying that at times he looks good or makes really accurate passes.
AT times he looks good and makes really accurate passes. Like at the end of that game to win it. There, I said. What are you gonna do about it? Cry?
Every QB in college, the NFL, even high school makes good throws every now and then. If you are in the NFL you need to make almost perfect throws 65% of the time to be a decent starter and Hoyer hasn't shown he can do it now or even back in college.
OK Right. He needs to improve by 10%. Clearly he is capable, he just needs to do it.
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