All of us Hoyer backers should admit one thing...
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George C said:
The one glaring fault with JF is this.. He comes from a wealthy family, and money is not a motivator. He has been spoiled his entire life, and it didn't go over well at A&M.
If and when he decides to cry like a child, just what leverage does any team have with him?
Cleveland is very similar to Buffalo. We are hard working communities, and we don't like bullshit or distractions from our athletes.
JF is not a blue collar guy, and if he costs the Browns in any way from his outside activities, Cleveland will eat him alive.
The only, and I mean ONLY team that wants Manziel will be the Cowboys. Forget about 1st rounders dancing in your head, the only taker is Jerrah..
Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional.
Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional.
It's 8:00 am don't you have a school bus to catch.
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Can someone explain to me how 4 throws at the end of the game can make you forget about the other 35 throws. Hoyer is mentality tough without question but the four throws he made against a prevent defense were not very hard throws. The question with Hoyer isn't his mental ability, it's his physical. He can't set his feet and most of his throws are off target. And stop saying that at times he looks good or makes really accurate passes. Every QB in college, the NFL, even high school makes good throws every now and then. If you are in the NFL you need to make almost perfect throws 65% of the time to be a decent starter and Hoyer hasn't shown he can do it now or even back in college.
Can someone explain to me how 4 throws at the end of the game can make you forget about the other 35 throws. Hoyer is mentality tough without question but the four throws he made against a prevent defense were not very hard throws. The question with Hoyer isn't his mental ability, it's his physical. He can't set his feet and most of his throws are off target. And stop saying that at times he looks good or makes really accurate passes. Every QB in college, the NFL, even high school makes good throws every now and then. If you are in the NFL you need to make almost perfect throws 65% of the time to be a decent starter and Hoyer hasn't shown he can do it now or even back in college.
Idk if you noticed, but nobody forgot.
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George C said:
The one glaring fault with JF is this.. He comes from a wealthy family, and money is not a motivator. He has been spoiled his entire life, and it didn't go over well at A&M.
If and when he decides to cry like a child, just what leverage does any team have with him?
Cleveland is very similar to Buffalo. We are hard working communities, and we don't like bullshit or distractions from our athletes.
JF is not a blue collar guy, and if he costs the Browns in any way from his outside activities, Cleveland will eat him alive.
The only, and I mean ONLY team that wants Manziel will be the Cowboys. Forget about 1st rounders dancing in your head, the only taker is Jerrah..
Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional.
Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional.
There's collegiate "hard work" and then there's NFL "HARD WORK". NFL Dust bins are littered with "successful" college QBs who never worked hard enough for the NFL. QBs like JaMarcus Russell and Matt Leinart and many more, and now it's rumored that RG3 is one of these as well.
Obviously we had interest in JM... also obvious, there's been a taming program underway almost since Day One.
Idk if you noticed, but nobody forgot.
I was going to go with, "Three words: Game Winning Drive," but you're right... no one forgot.
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Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional.
There's collegiate "hard work" and then there's NFL "HARD WORK". NFL Dust bins are littered with "successful" college QBs who never worked hard enough for the NFL. QBs like JaMarcus Russell and Matt Leinart and many more, and now it's rumored that RG3 is one of these as well.
Obviously we had interest in JM... also obvious, there's been a taming program underway almost since Day One.
Idk if you noticed, but nobody forgot.
I was going to go with, "Three words: Game Winning Drive," but you're right... no one forgot.
There's collegiate "hard work" and then there's NFL "HARD WORK". NFL Dust bins are littered with "successful" college QBs who never worked hard enough for the NFL. QBs like JaMarcus Russell and Matt Leinart and many more, and now it's rumored that RG3 is one of these as well.
Obviously we had interest in JM... also obvious, there's been a taming program underway almost since Day One.
I was going to go with, "Three words: Game Winning Drive," but you're right... no one forgot.
Those qb were motivated to get paid. Once they got paid they lost their motivation.
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George C said:
The one glaring fault with JF is this.. He comes from a wealthy family, and money is not a motivator. He has been spoiled his entire life, and it didn't go over well at A&M.
If and when he decides to cry like a child, just what leverage does any team have with him?
Cleveland is very similar to Buffalo. We are hard working communities, and we don't like bullshit or distractions from our athletes.
JF is not a blue collar guy, and if he costs the Browns in any way from his outside activities, Cleveland will eat him alive.
The only, and I mean ONLY team that wants Manziel will be the Cowboys. Forget about 1st rounders dancing in your head, the only taker is Jerrah..
Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional.
Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise.
That's about the eighth time l've seen it proposed that we just flag down some of Johnny's former teammates and coaches to get their opinion on him. Can we come to an understanding that no one is going to do that?
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There's collegiate "hard work" and then there's NFL "HARD WORK". NFL Dust bins are littered with "successful" college QBs who never worked hard enough for the NFL. QBs like JaMarcus Russell and Matt Leinart and many more, and now it's rumored that RG3 is one of these as well.
Obviously we had interest in JM... also obvious, there's been a taming program underway almost since Day One.
I was going to go with, "Three words: Game Winning Drive," but you're right... no one forgot.
Those qb were motivated to get paid. Once they got paid they lost their motivation.
Those qb were motivated to get paid. Once they got paid they lost their motivation.
Ah... so "rich kid" is an asset as he doesn't need the money?
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George C said:
The one glaring fault with JF is this.. He comes from a wealthy family, and money is not a motivator. He has been spoiled his entire life, and it didn't go over well at A&M.
If and when he decides to cry like a child, just what leverage does any team have with him?
Cleveland is very similar to Buffalo. We are hard working communities, and we don't like bullshit or distractions from our athletes.
JF is not a blue collar guy, and if he costs the Browns in any way from his outside activities, Cleveland will eat him alive.
The only, and I mean ONLY team that wants Manziel will be the Cowboys. Forget about 1st rounders dancing in your head, the only taker is Jerrah..
Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional.
Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional
First and foremost as a Browns fan I hope your Johnny love pans out for us someday and he is a great QB. There are plenty of people who are successful at the college level with questionable work ethics. Did you see a great work ethic over the summer from Johnny to try to earn this job? Did you see him putting in extra time on the field with receivers? Rolling bills in a bathroom in Vegas, hanging with rappers and be Mr. Hollywood is what I saw. I would also be willing to bet there was no "blue collar" element of management on the Browns that wanted Johnny. That has Haslam written all over it and he is about as far from blue collar as you can get.
Again I hope you are right and he keeps his nose clean and become a great QB but there are serious signs of concern with the kid.
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Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional
First and foremost as a Browns fan I hope your Johnny love pans out for us someday and he is a great QB. There are plenty of people who are successful at the college level with questionable work ethics. Did you see a great work ethic over the summer from Johnny to try to earn this job? Did you see him putting in extra time on the field with receivers? Rolling bills in a bathroom in Vegas, hanging with rappers and be Mr. Hollywood is what I saw. I would also be willing to bet there was no "blue collar" element of management on the Browns that wanted Johnny. That has Haslam written all over it and he is about as far from blue collar as you can get.
Again I hope you are right and he keeps his nose clean and become a great QB but there are serious signs of concern with the kid.
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Ask any teammate or coach of Manziels and they will tell you otherwise. You don't be as successful as he was without working very hard, especially considering his size which many of you like to point out. The off season after his Heisman is when many of the off the field issues came up but when the season started it was all business. He improved his passing and was one of the best passers in the nation when many thought he was all about running. The "blue collar" Browns used a first rounder on this "spoiled wealthy" kid so obviously they had some interest in him and he has been nothing but professional
First and foremost as a Browns fan I hope your Johnny love pans out for us someday and he is a great QB. There are plenty of people who are successful at the college level with questionable work ethics. Did you see a great work ethic over the summer from Johnny to try to earn this job? Did you see him putting in extra time on the field with receivers? Rolling bills in a bathroom in Vegas, hanging with rappers and be Mr. Hollywood is what I saw. I would also be willing to bet there was no "blue collar" element of management on the Browns that wanted Johnny. That has Haslam written all over it and he is about as far from blue collar as you can get.
Again I hope you are right and he keeps his nose clean and become a great QB but there are serious signs of concern with the kid.
First and foremost as a Browns fan I hope your Johnny love pans out for us someday and he is a great QB. There are plenty of people who are successful at the college level with questionable work ethics. Did you see a great work ethic over the summer from Johnny to try to earn this job? Did you see him putting in extra time on the field with receivers? Rolling bills in a bathroom in Vegas, hanging with rappers and be Mr. Hollywood is what I saw. I would also be willing to bet there was no "blue collar" element of management on the Browns that wanted Johnny. That has Haslam written all over it and he is about as far from blue collar as you can get.
Again I hope you are right and he keeps his nose clean and become a great QB but there are serious signs of concern with the kid.
All of the pictures of him with rappers or drinking in clubs has absolutely nothing to do with his work ethic. I would imagine there are many pro bowlers or other lesser known players who party just as much as Johnny but don't have any pictures taken. None of Johnny's off the field issues have ever shown up on the field or in practice. I don't know what he is doing in practice and neither do you. I just know at A&M to come back from a Heisman season with all the publicity and praise and off the field stuff and actually improve shows me something. And maybe he put in the work to get drafted but he is extremely competitive and believe me he isn't going to take his money and ride into the sunset.
And I will give you that he should probably tone it down it bit with the clubbing and taking pictures knowing how popular he is but Johnny is just being Johnny. That stuff is the reason he gets commercials and is so popular.
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First and foremost as a Browns fan I hope your Johnny love pans out for us someday and he is a great QB. There are plenty of people who are successful at the college level with questionable work ethics. Did you see a great work ethic over the summer from Johnny to try to earn this job? Did you see him putting in extra time on the field with receivers? Rolling bills in a bathroom in Vegas, hanging with rappers and be Mr. Hollywood is what I saw. I would also be willing to bet there was no "blue collar" element of management on the Browns that wanted Johnny. That has Haslam written all over it and he is about as far from blue collar as you can get.
Again I hope you are right and he keeps his nose clean and become a great QB but there are serious signs of concern with the kid.
All of the pictures of him with rappers or drinking in clubs has absolutely nothing to do with his work ethic. I would imagine there are many pro bowlers or other lesser known players who party just as much as Johnny but don't have any pictures taken. None of Johnny's off the field issues have ever shown up on the field or in practice. I don't know what he is doing in practice and neither do you. I just know at A&M to come back from a Heisman season with all the publicity and praise and off the field stuff and actually improve shows me something. And maybe he put in the work to get drafted but he is extremely competitive and believe me he isn't going to take his money and ride into the sunset.
And I will give you that he should probably tone it down it bit with the clubbing and taking pictures knowing how popular he is but Johnny is just being Johnny. That stuff is the reason he gets commercials and is so popular.
All of the pictures of him with rappers or drinking in clubs has absolutely nothing to do with his work ethic.
Yes they do. People with a good work ethic aren't out at 2:30 partying the night before a big game(or meeting, or presentation, etc etc)
I would imagine there are many pro bowlers or other lesser known players who party just as much as Johnny but don't have any pictures taken.
Pro bowlers?....say what???....worst analogy ever.
None of Johnny's off the field issues have ever shown up on the field or in practice.
Johnny has never shown up on the field either. Could that be a sign? A lot of people seem to think it's possible.
I don't know what he is doing in practice and neither do you.
We know he didn't out work Hoyer.
I just know at A&M to come back from a Heisman season with all the publicity and praise and off the field stuff and actually improve shows me something. And maybe he put in the work to get drafted but he is extremely competitive and believe me he isn't going to take his money and ride into the sunset.
For the 10,000th time, college is ancient history. Means nothing. Bottom line, we can only judge what we see. And we see nothing on the field. But we keep seeing off field troubles and immature behavior. Like Bill Bellychuck used to say...."I can only go by what I see"....
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Can someone explain to me how 4 throws at the end of the game can make you forget about the other 35 throws. Hoyer is mentality tough without question but the four throws he made against a prevent defense were not very hard throws. The question with Hoyer isn't his mental ability, it's his physical. He can't set his feet and most of his throws are off target. And stop saying that at times he looks good or makes really accurate passes. Every QB in college, the NFL, even high school makes good throws every now and then. If you are in the NFL you need to make almost perfect throws 65% of the time to be a decent starter and Hoyer hasn't shown he can do it now or even back in college.
Can someone explain to me how 4 throws at the end of the game can make you forget about the other 35 throws.
Because those 4 throws led to victory, that is how. HELLO!! You play to win the game.....not the statistical battle. Besides, it wasn't 35 other throws that we needed to forget about, it was only about 5 throws....but yes, those 5 were bad.
Hoyer is mentality tough without question but the four throws he made against a prevent defense were not very hard throws. The question with Hoyer isn't his mental ability, it's his physical. He can't set his feet and most of his throws are off target.
He may still be suffering effects from his knee surgery....and again, it is not "Most throws" being off target. But the few that are do frustrate a fan.
And stop saying that at times he looks good or makes really accurate passes.
AT times he looks good and makes really accurate passes. Like at the end of that game to win it. There, I said. What are you gonna do about it? Cry?
Every QB in college, the NFL, even high school makes good throws every now and then. If you are in the NFL you need to make almost perfect throws 65% of the time to be a decent starter and Hoyer hasn't shown he can do it now or even back in college.
OK Right. He needs to improve by 10%. Clearly he is capable, he just needs to do it.
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First and foremost as a Browns fan I hope your Johnny love pans out for us someday and he is a great QB. There are plenty of people who are successful at the college level with questionable work ethics. Did you see a great work ethic over the summer from Johnny to try to earn this job? Did you see him putting in extra time on the field with receivers? Rolling bills in a bathroom in Vegas, hanging with rappers and be Mr. Hollywood is what I saw. I would also be willing to bet there was no "blue collar" element of management on the Browns that wanted Johnny. That has Haslam written all over it and he is about as far from blue collar as you can get.
Again I hope you are right and he keeps his nose clean and become a great QB but there are serious signs of concern with the kid.
All of the pictures of him with rappers or drinking in clubs has absolutely nothing to do with his work ethic. I would imagine there are many pro bowlers or other lesser known players who party just as much as Johnny but don't have any pictures taken. None of Johnny's off the field issues have ever shown up on the field or in practice. I don't know what he is doing in practice and neither do you. I just know at A&M to come back from a Heisman season with all the publicity and praise and off the field stuff and actually improve shows me something. And maybe he put in the work to get drafted but he is extremely competitive and believe me he isn't going to take his money and ride into the sunset.
And I will give you that he should probably tone it down it bit with the clubbing and taking pictures knowing how popular he is but Johnny is just being Johnny. That stuff is the reason he gets commercials and is so popular.
All of the pictures of him with rappers or drinking in clubs has absolutely nothing to do with his work ethic.
You don't know that, it very well may affect his work ethic. The Browns GM and coaches may think it affects his work ethic.
I would imagine there are many pro bowlers or other lesser known players who party just as much as Johnny but don't have any pictures taken. None of Johnny's off the field issues have ever shown up on the field or in practice.
That may not be true either. Those may be the very things that have gotten him relegated to backup.
I don't know what he is doing in practice and neither do you.
Right....but the people whose opinions matter do see it. And we are not real certain about what they think.
I just know at A&M to come back from a Heisman season with all the publicity and praise and off the field stuff and actually improve shows me something.
It shows that he can improve as a college QB....which means nothing. Maybe it proves that he can be another Eric Crouch or Jason White or Troy Smith. We know nothing yet. But we do hope that is not the case.
And maybe he put in the work to get drafted but he is extremely competitive and believe me he isn't going to take his money and ride into the sunset.
If he goes the route of those others, you are right, he won't ride into the sunset. He along with Tebow, Leinert and the ones mentioned above rode into the sunset on a donkey like a sack of beans. Again, lets hope that don't happen here.
And I will give you that he should probably tone it down it bit with the clubbing and taking pictures knowing how popular he is but Johnny is just being Johnny. That stuff is the reason he gets commercials and is so popular.
Well.....let's just hope that the commercial he gets is not the sequel to the one where he is in a diner with The Boz, Leinert, Heath Shuler etc. asking "Can I go back to college".
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First and foremost as a Browns fan I hope your Johnny love pans out for us someday and he is a great QB. There are plenty of people who are successful at the college level with questionable work ethics. Did you see a great work ethic over the summer from Johnny to try to earn this job? Did you see him putting in extra time on the field with receivers? Rolling bills in a bathroom in Vegas, hanging with rappers and be Mr. Hollywood is what I saw. I would also be willing to bet there was no "blue collar" element of management on the Browns that wanted Johnny. That has Haslam written all over it and he is about as far from blue collar as you can get.
Again I hope you are right and he keeps his nose clean and become a great QB but there are serious signs of concern with the kid.
All of the pictures of him with rappers or drinking in clubs has absolutely nothing to do with his work ethic. I would imagine there are many pro bowlers or other lesser known players who party just as much as Johnny but don't have any pictures taken. None of Johnny's off the field issues have ever shown up on the field or in practice. I don't know what he is doing in practice and neither do you. I just know at A&M to come back from a Heisman season with all the publicity and praise and off the field stuff and actually improve shows me something. And maybe he put in the work to get drafted but he is extremely competitive and believe me he isn't going to take his money and ride into the sunset.
And I will give you that he should probably tone it down it bit with the clubbing and taking pictures knowing how popular he is but Johnny is just being Johnny. That stuff is the reason he gets commercials and is so popular.
And I will give you that he should probably tone it down it bit with the clubbing and taking pictures
Um, that's pretty much what everyone is saying, yet you argue.....and then agree.....sheesh
knowing how popular he is but Johnny is just being Johnny.
Popular means nothing here. In fact, his "popularity" is one of the biggest distractions this team has ever seen. Popular? You gotta be a kid, right?
That stuff is the reason he gets commercials and is so popular.
And they are the reason he dropped in the draft.Johnny being Johnny. Are doing commercials & being popular supposed to be an argument FOR Johnny?.....maybe its a good idea for him to stop worrying about commercials and start working on football ONLY.....
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I'm saying what he does off the field has yet to affect his on the field performance and by all accounts his practice. What you are saying is pure speculation and like I've said before most of what you all know of Johnny is from ESPN and TMZ. I watched every one of Johnny's snaps at A&M and even going back to his senior year of high school and I have yet to see any problems with him on the field. You can't just compare Johnny to other guys who were good in college but failed in the NFL. Johnny was better than most of them and maybe college performance does matter in some players. If Johnny is addicted to cocaine and out of the league in a few years then I will eat my words but as of right now I expect him to be a very good NFL player.
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There's always the talent factor. I know guy who play the guitar every day and never get better than mediocre. I know other guys who rarely practice but can just tear it up.
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There's always the talent factor. I know guy who play the guitar every day and never get better than mediocre. I know other guys who rarely practice but can just tear it up.
WSS
There's always the talent factor. I know guy who play the guitar every day and never get better than mediocre. I know other guys who rarely practice but can just tear it up.
WSS
Which are you?
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I'm saying what he does off the field has yet to affect his on the field performance and by all accounts his practice. What you are saying is pure speculation and like I've said before most of what you all know of Johnny is from ESPN and TMZ. I watched every one of Johnny's snaps at A&M and even going back to his senior year of high school and I have yet to see any problems with him on the field. You can't just compare Johnny to other guys who were good in college but failed in the NFL. Johnny was better than most of them and maybe college performance does matter in some players. If Johnny is addicted to cocaine and out of the league in a few years then I will eat my words but as of right now I expect him to be a very good NFL player.
I'm saying what he does off the field has yet to affect his on the field performance and by all accounts his practice.
Just because you say it doesn't make it true.
What you are saying is pure speculation and like I've said before most of what you all know of Johnny is from ESPN and TMZ.
And everything you are saying is pure speculation based on what you know about him from college, and based on your manlove for him
I watched every one of Johnny's snaps at A&M and even going back to his senior year of high school and I have yet to see any problems with him on the field.
And those snaps mean nothing in his role as a Quarterback for The Cleveland Browns.(except to get him drafted by them....but now it is a clean slate and he has to prove what he can do in the major leagues.
You can't just compare Johnny to other guys who were good in college but failed in the NFL.
Yes, you can...because, as I noted, 50% of all first round drafted QBs bust. Its a fact. It is up to him to prove that he is part of the 50% success side.
Johnny was better than most of them and maybe college performance does matter in some players. If Johnny is addicted to cocaine and out of the league in a few years then I will eat my words but as of right now I expect him to be a very good NFL player.
I don't think it is a matter of him having some addiction. I don't think all those QB busts had off field issues. They just weren't good enough. JFF needs to prove he is good enough....and part of that proof is staying away from off field problems as much as he can. (and coming home at 2:30 in the morning where he is likely to run into drunks is not a good showing leading to that proof)
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I'm saying what he does off the field has yet to affect his on the field performance and by all accounts his practice. What you are saying is pure speculation and like I've said before most of what you all know of Johnny is from ESPN and TMZ. I watched every one of Johnny's snaps at A&M and even going back to his senior year of high school and I have yet to see any problems with him on the field. You can't just compare Johnny to other guys who were good in college but failed in the NFL. Johnny was better than most of them and maybe college performance does matter in some players. If Johnny is addicted to cocaine and out of the league in a few years then I will eat my words but as of right now I expect him to be a very good NFL player.
I'm saying what he does off the field has yet to affect his on the field performance and by all accounts his practice. What you are saying is pure speculation and like I've said before most of what you all know of Johnny is from ESPN and TMZ. I watched every one of Johnny's snaps at A&M and even going back to his senior year of high school and I have yet to see any problems with him on the field. You can't just compare Johnny to other guys who were good in college but failed in the NFL. Johnny was better than most of them and maybe college performance does matter in some players. If Johnny is addicted to cocaine and out of the league in a few years then I will eat my words but as of right now I expect him to be a very good NFL player.
Maybe he will be, but the browns are winning so we won't be seeing him unless Hoyer gets hurt. The arguments that the browns wins would be much better with Johnny is actually pretty silly.
No problems with Johnny as a player or person, but some of the Johnny new browns fans are crazy. Winning sucks without Johnny... Right.
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There's always the talent factor. I know guy who play the guitar every day and never get better than mediocre. I know other guys who rarely practice but can just tear it up.
WSS
Which are you?
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