LB/DL times
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Well, Al, you were all over Curry from the beginning and now you're going to see him move away from us slowly but inexorably.
Sad thing to watch, really.
Especially because you convinced me about him, too.
Bastard.
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Hey, Pioli drafted Seymour, Ty Warren, and Vince Wilfork, all in round one. He only drafted one linebacker on day one in his entire stint with the Pats, and that was Mayo last year.
If that gives you hope.
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If Raji didn't allegedly have some off the field issues, I'd be somewhat confident that we could get Curry. Now, the only way I can see us getting him is if KC takes Stafford, which I don't see happening.
I've read that the Chiefs really like Eugene Monroe, but why would they take a LT when Branden Albert played so well last year?
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Official times:
Aaron Curry - 4.56
Stanley Arnoux - 4.61
Gerald McRath - 4.61
Clay Matthews - 4.67
Jason Phillips - 4.69
Jasper Brinkley - 4.72
Brian Cushing - 4.74
Marcus Freeman - 4.74
Zack Follett - 4.75
Moise Fokou - 4.76
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These give you an idea what makes a top 10 linebacker.
Willis ran in the 4.5s. So did Mayo. So did Curry. And those three all went/are going in the top 11.
And they're all great kids/team leaders.
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I wonder if Laurinaitis slides out of the 1st Round. Those 4.8 unofficial 40's could be closer to 4.9's, and he didn't look particularly fluid during the LB drills.
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Official times:
Aaron Curry - 4.56
Stanley Arnoux - 4.61
Gerald McRath - 4.61
Clay Matthews - 4.67
Jason Phillips - 4.69
Jasper Brinkley - 4.72
Brian Cushing - 4.74
Marcus Freeman - 4.74
Zack Follett - 4.75
Moise Fokou - 4.76
Aloysius said:
Official times:Aaron Curry - 4.56
Stanley Arnoux - 4.61
Gerald McRath - 4.61
Clay Matthews - 4.67
Jason Phillips - 4.69
Jasper Brinkley - 4.72
Brian Cushing - 4.74
Marcus Freeman - 4.74
Zack Follett - 4.75
Moise Fokou - 4.76
Brinkley came in faster that Cushing? Wow...didn't see that coming. 4.72 isn't bad for a guy known for his hitting. Curry is a beat though. I am still not convinced we are not going to have a shot at him.
I just don't see Detroit going with him at #1. Raji or Stafford make a lot more sense...as does a LT (although they have some issues too). St. Louis may end up going with one of the DE's or LT as well.
I still see KC going Raji...NT is the KEY to the 3-4...and they are the hardest to find. And I am not sure they are going to be sold on the QB position.
As for Seattle...Crabtree still makes the most sense...even with the foot fracture....but if Raji falls here he may be an option.
Matthews is really looking good. Over 10' on the broad jump and a good 40....nice.
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I wonder if Laurinaitis slides out of the 1st Round. Those 4.8 unofficial 40's could be closer to 4.9's, and he didn't look particularly fluid during the LB drills.
Aloysius said:
I wonder if Laurinaitis slides out of the 1st Round. Those 4.8 unofficial 40's could be closer to 4.9's, and he didn't look particularly fluid during the LB drills.I think he will slide. And I also think JL is the type of guy who is a "football player". I think his skills are showcased on the field rather than the combine.
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I wonder if Laurinaitis slides out of the 1st Round. Those 4.8 unofficial 40's could be closer to 4.9's, and he didn't look particularly fluid during the LB drills.
Aloysius said:
I wonder if Laurinaitis slides out of the 1st Round. Those 4.8 unofficial 40's could be closer to 4.9's, and he didn't look particularly fluid during the LB drills.I thought he looked horrid; Matthews Jr looked much better....Curry was out of this world
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Aloysius said:
I wonder if Laurinaitis slides out of the 1st Round. Those 4.8 unofficial 40's could be closer to 4.9's, and he didn't look particularly fluid during the LB drills.I thought he looked horrid; Matthews Jr looked much better....Curry was out of this world
I thought he looked horrid; Matthews Jr looked much better....Curry was out of this world
Personally, I think we should try to get Mathews.
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Aloysius said:
I wonder if Laurinaitis slides out of the 1st Round. Those 4.8 unofficial 40's could be closer to 4.9's, and he didn't look particularly fluid during the LB drills.I think he will slide. And I also think JL is the type of guy who is a "football player". I think his skills are showcased on the field rather than the combine.
AdaM said:
I think he will slide. And I also think JL is the type of guy who is a "football player". I think his skills are showcased on the field rather than the combine.I agree, he has good football instincts. He will run faster on his pro day at OSU. It is a real fast tract at OSU. He ran 4.6s and 4.7s in spring practice, but Freeman was faster then him there. Got to look at how they play in pads and there game speed. I think combine stats are a bit overrated. some guys look great in shorts but slow down or lose their burst in pads on a grass field.
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I called the Laurinitas slide weeks ago. He's not that special. Didn't show up in Mobile. And now he's disappointed in Indy.
I'd be willing to throw down some serious money that he's not going to be in round one. He's in the 40-60 range, I'd guess.
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AdaM said:
I think he will slide. And I also think JL is the type of guy who is a "football player". I think his skills are showcased on the field rather than the combine.I agree, he has good football instincts. He will run faster on his pro day at OSU. It is a real fast tract at OSU. He ran 4.6s and 4.7s in spring practice, but Freeman was faster then him there. Got to look at how they play in pads and there game speed. I think combine stats are a bit overrated. some guys look great in shorts but slow down or lose their burst in pads on a grass field.
I agree, he has good football instincts. He will run faster on his pro day at OSU. It is a real fast tract at OSU. He ran 4.6s and 4.7s in spring practice, but Freeman was faster then him there. Got to look at how they play in pads and there game speed. I think combine stats are a bit overrated. some guys look great in shorts but slow down or lose their burst in pads on a grass field.
As long as the game film proves they're good players, I dont put a ton of stock in the combine.
Order of importance to me is:
1. Game film (are they productive, consistent)
2. Interview
3. Medical history
4. Measurables
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The problem with us pursuing Matthews is that his only fit in a 3-4 would be at WOLB, which is Wimbley's spot. It's possible that we could move Wimbley to the strongside - I think Jason suggested that in another thread - but that'd leave us with two OLB's significantly smaller than Mangini likes them (6'2-4", 265-270 lbs.).
As for Brinkley, teams have to be wondering why the hell he played at a sluggish 272 lbs. Did he just chunk up while recovering from the knee injury (he was in a wheelchair for 8 weeks), or will weight gain be a recurring issue with him? Seems to be a significant red flag.
And re: Raji - it's hard to tell because his supposed character issues haven't been made public. But if drugs were indeed part of the reason he didn't play in '07, there's no way Pioli takes him at #3, especially when Curry seems like such a safe bet.
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Connor Barwin's 3-cone (6.87) and short shuttle (4.18) times are just as impressive as his 40 (4.66). He projects very well to 3-4 OLB.
Larry English's measurables weren't as impressive: 7.26 3-cone, 4.38 shuttle. Should be interesting to hear how he did in LB drills; he struggled dropping into coverage during the Senior Bowl practices.
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McRath's a 4-3 weakside linebacker. He played inside in college, but he's not big enough to play it in the pro's.
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I called the Laurinitas slide weeks ago. He's not that special. Didn't show up in Mobile. And now he's disappointed in Indy.
I'd be willing to throw down some serious money that he's not going to be in round one. He's in the 40-60 range, I'd guess.
I called the Laurinitas slide weeks ago. He's not that special. Didn't show up in Mobile. And now he's disappointed in Indy.
Good call.
You know who made a bad call? Brandon Spikes. With Laurinaitis timing poorly and Maualuga a total mess, Spikes could have worked his way into being a top 15 pick. Unless he's the #1 ILB next year, he lost out on a lot of money.
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with the Browns' luck, both Cushing and Mathews will go in the first round. I hope not.
Use DA for a trade back up into the first ?
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