LB/DL times
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I wonder if Laurinaitis slides out of the 1st Round. Those 4.8 unofficial 40's could be closer to 4.9's, and he didn't look particularly fluid during the LB drills.
Aloysius said:
I wonder if Laurinaitis slides out of the 1st Round. Those 4.8 unofficial 40's could be closer to 4.9's, and he didn't look particularly fluid during the LB drills.I think he will slide. And I also think JL is the type of guy who is a "football player". I think his skills are showcased on the field rather than the combine.
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I wonder if Laurinaitis slides out of the 1st Round. Those 4.8 unofficial 40's could be closer to 4.9's, and he didn't look particularly fluid during the LB drills.
Aloysius said:
I wonder if Laurinaitis slides out of the 1st Round. Those 4.8 unofficial 40's could be closer to 4.9's, and he didn't look particularly fluid during the LB drills.I thought he looked horrid; Matthews Jr looked much better....Curry was out of this world
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Aloysius said:
I wonder if Laurinaitis slides out of the 1st Round. Those 4.8 unofficial 40's could be closer to 4.9's, and he didn't look particularly fluid during the LB drills.I thought he looked horrid; Matthews Jr looked much better....Curry was out of this world
I thought he looked horrid; Matthews Jr looked much better....Curry was out of this world
Personally, I think we should try to get Mathews.
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Aloysius said:
I wonder if Laurinaitis slides out of the 1st Round. Those 4.8 unofficial 40's could be closer to 4.9's, and he didn't look particularly fluid during the LB drills.I think he will slide. And I also think JL is the type of guy who is a "football player". I think his skills are showcased on the field rather than the combine.
AdaM said:
I think he will slide. And I also think JL is the type of guy who is a "football player". I think his skills are showcased on the field rather than the combine.I agree, he has good football instincts. He will run faster on his pro day at OSU. It is a real fast tract at OSU. He ran 4.6s and 4.7s in spring practice, but Freeman was faster then him there. Got to look at how they play in pads and there game speed. I think combine stats are a bit overrated. some guys look great in shorts but slow down or lose their burst in pads on a grass field.
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I called the Laurinitas slide weeks ago. He's not that special. Didn't show up in Mobile. And now he's disappointed in Indy.
I'd be willing to throw down some serious money that he's not going to be in round one. He's in the 40-60 range, I'd guess.
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AdaM said:
I think he will slide. And I also think JL is the type of guy who is a "football player". I think his skills are showcased on the field rather than the combine.I agree, he has good football instincts. He will run faster on his pro day at OSU. It is a real fast tract at OSU. He ran 4.6s and 4.7s in spring practice, but Freeman was faster then him there. Got to look at how they play in pads and there game speed. I think combine stats are a bit overrated. some guys look great in shorts but slow down or lose their burst in pads on a grass field.
I agree, he has good football instincts. He will run faster on his pro day at OSU. It is a real fast tract at OSU. He ran 4.6s and 4.7s in spring practice, but Freeman was faster then him there. Got to look at how they play in pads and there game speed. I think combine stats are a bit overrated. some guys look great in shorts but slow down or lose their burst in pads on a grass field.
As long as the game film proves they're good players, I dont put a ton of stock in the combine.
Order of importance to me is:
1. Game film (are they productive, consistent)
2. Interview
3. Medical history
4. Measurables
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The problem with us pursuing Matthews is that his only fit in a 3-4 would be at WOLB, which is Wimbley's spot. It's possible that we could move Wimbley to the strongside - I think Jason suggested that in another thread - but that'd leave us with two OLB's significantly smaller than Mangini likes them (6'2-4", 265-270 lbs.).
As for Brinkley, teams have to be wondering why the hell he played at a sluggish 272 lbs. Did he just chunk up while recovering from the knee injury (he was in a wheelchair for 8 weeks), or will weight gain be a recurring issue with him? Seems to be a significant red flag.
And re: Raji - it's hard to tell because his supposed character issues haven't been made public. But if drugs were indeed part of the reason he didn't play in '07, there's no way Pioli takes him at #3, especially when Curry seems like such a safe bet.
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Connor Barwin's 3-cone (6.87) and short shuttle (4.18) times are just as impressive as his 40 (4.66). He projects very well to 3-4 OLB.
Larry English's measurables weren't as impressive: 7.26 3-cone, 4.38 shuttle. Should be interesting to hear how he did in LB drills; he struggled dropping into coverage during the Senior Bowl practices.
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McRath's a 4-3 weakside linebacker. He played inside in college, but he's not big enough to play it in the pro's.
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I called the Laurinitas slide weeks ago. He's not that special. Didn't show up in Mobile. And now he's disappointed in Indy.
I'd be willing to throw down some serious money that he's not going to be in round one. He's in the 40-60 range, I'd guess.
I called the Laurinitas slide weeks ago. He's not that special. Didn't show up in Mobile. And now he's disappointed in Indy.
Good call.
You know who made a bad call? Brandon Spikes. With Laurinaitis timing poorly and Maualuga a total mess, Spikes could have worked his way into being a top 15 pick. Unless he's the #1 ILB next year, he lost out on a lot of money.
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with the Browns' luck, both Cushing and Mathews will go in the first round. I hope not.
Use DA for a trade back up into the first ?
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LB 3-cone times:
Brian Cushing - 6.84
Clay Matthews - 6.90
James Laurinaitis - 6.93
Marcus Freeman - 6.98
Kaluka Maiava - 6.98
Scott McKillop - 7.00
Dannell Ellerbe - 7.00
Jasper Brinkley - 7.03
Moise Fokou - 7.09
I wonder how Curry did. The 3-cone is a good measure of hip flexibility/change of direction ability, which is one of Curry's weaknesses.
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Vertical:
Aaron Curry - 37.0"
Zack Follett - 37.0"
Marcus Freeman - 37.0"
Scott McKillop - 35.5"
Clay Matthews - 35.5"
Jasper Brinkley - 35.5"
Dannell Ellerbe - 35.0"
Worrell Williams - 35.0"
Brian Cushing - 35.0"
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Short Shuttle:
Marcus Freeman - 4.12
Clay Matthews - 4.18
Kaluka Maiava - 4.20
Brian Cushing - 4.22
Dannell Ellerbe - 4.23
James Laurinaitis - 4.24
Moise Fokou - 4.28
Jason Phillips - 4.32
Jasper Brinkley - 4.32
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Short Shuttle:
Marcus Freeman - 4.12
Clay Matthews - 4.18
Kaluka Maiava - 4.20
Brian Cushing - 4.22
Dannell Ellerbe - 4.23
James Laurinaitis - 4.24
Moise Fokou - 4.28
Jason Phillips - 4.32
Jasper Brinkley - 4.32
Aloysius said:
Short Shuttle:Marcus Freeman - 4.12
Clay Matthews - 4.18
Kaluka Maiava - 4.20
Brian Cushing - 4.22
Dannell Ellerbe - 4.23
James Laurinaitis - 4.24
Moise Fokou - 4.28
Jason Phillips - 4.32
Jasper Brinkley - 4.32
Are Curry's numbers just ridiculous or is he not participating in the LB drills?
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Trying to find out whether he participated in those drills. He's listed as one of the top performers in the 60 yard shuttle, so I'm guessing that he did.
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This is adding more to my argument that Curry is going to go #1. He's the safest pick in the draft and the Lions can't miss there - it'd set them back another few years.
Here's another nugget they might be aware of:
Your last 6 Defensive Rookie of the Years and 8 of the last 9 were linebackers.
Sure, they don't typically go number one. But look at some of the past #1s. Wasn't Brian Urlacher a better pick than Courtney Brown? Were Demarcus Ware and Shane Merriman better picks than Alex Smith in 2005?
Who is Stafford? Another David Carr? Maybe. Well then, it'd probably behoove you to take Aaron Curry instead.
In other words, you'd have to REALLY like Stafford if you're the Lions.
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And I think the dream scenario for the Lions is to take Curry, then hope Sanchez finds his way to them at the #20, or to trade up above the Jets and secure him. They've got the picks to do it.
Or they can use that #20 on Cassel.
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Clay Matthews is really having a great combine, his stock is rising.
I predict him to be a suprise to all in the NFL, he comes with his own pedigree a team wont be inheriting a risk by picking him up at all.
some coaches look at the shuttle as a players in game 40 time. not only at if they have the fast twitch to be able to redirect while in pursuit.
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