Browns willing to keep QB Anderson
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with the vikings getting sage rosenfels, that means that there is one less team for the browns to trade da for. that leaves the lions, jets, chiefs, bucs, 49ers, maybe the redskins and maybe the bills. hopefully they offer something good for him
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This doesn't surprise me at all. DA will fight for the starting job. He could very well be the starter this year. If he beats out Quinn, he will be. May the best man win.
Their will be no QB competition. The job is Quinn's to lose and it doesn't matter if Anderson is there or not.
Their will be no QB competition. The job is Quinn's to lose and it doesn't matter if Anderson is there or not.
Yeah sure, that's why you're so ape shit on trying to trade him to somebody....
We all know that if there is a competition then DA will be starting for the Browns.
The goal for BQ Nation is to make sure there is no competition.
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So let's assume that DA is being pumped for a trade and we do trade him, what then? I don't see much talk about a BQ backup.
"The last two players to start at quarterback for the Browns are no longer with the team.
The Browns announced seven roster moves Monday. Ken Dorsey's contract was terminated, and Bruce Gradkowski was waived" CB.com 02.09.09
So where do we get the backup?
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Zombo said:
I see the Browns keeping both Anderson and Quinn for this season, and drafting a QB in the mid rounds to groom (or, since we don't have a lot of picks, scouring the available young guys bouncing around that they might like.) they'll see who emerges, and next year Quinn or Anderson is gone and the #3 becomes #2. I'm sure a veteran journeyman will be brought into camp too.Zombo
--I don't think Mangini is ready to hand anybody anything.
The problem with keeping DA for another year is his contract.
If he DOESN'T win the starter role...he will be a backup with a $7.45M contract in 2010...AND a $2M signing bonus. In other words...he would be a guy who has sat on the bench for 2 years and being paid starter money...and nobody is going to give more than a 4th for that.
He lost significant value by hanging on to him last year...and unless the Browns are just kidding about going to a WCO type offense....he is just going to lose value again this coming year.
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Zombo said:
I see the Browns keeping both Anderson and Quinn for this season, and drafting a QB in the mid rounds to groom (or, since we don't have a lot of picks, scouring the available young guys bouncing around that they might like.) they'll see who emerges, and next year Quinn or Anderson is gone and the #3 becomes #2. I'm sure a veteran journeyman will be brought into camp too.Zombo
--I don't think Mangini is ready to hand anybody anything.
The problem with keeping DA for another year is his contract.
If he DOESN'T win the starter role...he will be a backup with a $7.45M contract in 2010...AND a $2M signing bonus. In other words...he would be a guy who has sat on the bench for 2 years and being paid starter money...and nobody is going to give more than a 4th for that.
He lost significant value by hanging on to him last year...and unless the Browns are just kidding about going to a WCO type offense....he is just going to lose value again this coming year.
The problem with keeping DA for another year is his contract.
If he DOESN'T win the starter role...he will be a backup with a $7.45M contract in 2010...AND a $2M signing bonus. In other words...he would be a guy who has sat on the bench for 2 years and being paid starter money...and nobody is going to give more than a 4th for that.
He lost significant value by hanging on to him last year...and unless the Browns are just kidding about going to a WCO type offense....he is just going to lose value again this coming year.
He is going to cost us even if we trade him. Come March 13th we are at the point of no return. None of his 2010 salary is guaranteed. I still think he gets traded but not until closer to the draft. A team will get a QB that can come in a compete for a starting job and be cheap since we will have paid most of his 2009 salary.
Most reports have the Browns asking for a 2nd for him. He is not a fit as a WCO QB. He is a stretch the field QB. He doesn't fit the system we will be running and teams don't keep QBs who were starter that got bumped to backups. It's bad business and hard feelings. Same reason Jags got rid of Leftwich and Jets got rid of Pennington.
There are teams out there that think Anderson can play and be a starter in the right system.
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Interesting article by Pluto today on this subject:
Terry Pluto blog: Talkin' to myself about the Cleveland Browns quarterbacks ...
by Terry Pluto / Plain Dealer Columnist
Tuesday February 24, 2009, 12:31 PM
Question: Did you hear what Eric Mangini said the other day about possibly keeping both Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn?
Answer: He said he may keep them both. He said that he and his coaching staff have not decided on a starter. He said you can never have enough good quarterbacks, and he said he could even have a quarterback competition in training camp.
Q: Why did he say all that?
A: Because it is possible it could happen, but don't bet on it. Nor would it be a good idea. But if you're General Manager George Kokinis and if you are even considering the trade of Anderson, the last thing you want is your coach declaring Quinn the starter right now.
Q: Why?
A: Because you want to make Anderson sound like Otto Graham. You want other teams to believe with just the right coaching and the proper play-calling, this guy can be a franchise quarterback. You want to talk about the Derek Anderson who threw 29 touchdown passes in 2007 and made the Pro Bowl, not the Anderson who was waived by Baltimore early in his career, or the Anderson who struggled last season.
Q: Are you blaming Anderson for the 4-12 record and ...
A: It's not about blaming. It's about the Browns figuring out which quarterback will be best for them in 2009, and then using the other to bring the most in trade. Odds are they prefer Quinn. New offensive coordinator Brian Daboll was a wide receiver coach in New England when Charlie Weis called the plays. Weis had Quinn at Notre Dame and insists Quinn can be star in the NFL. It seems Daboll and his offense would lean toward Quinn, given the New England offense and the influence of Weis.
Q: So why not say that?
A: Because they want other teams to believe they really like Anderson, that they might indeed keep him. It's a way of telling the NFL that the Browns won't give him away.
Q: Anderson makes all that money, who will take him?
A: He will be a bargain for another team. Anderson is due a $5 million roster bonus on March 13, and his salary for 2009 is $1.5 million. The Browns should pay the bonus, then trade Anderson because he will cost the new team only the $1.5 million in salary and on the cap. That increases his trade value.
Q: Don't the Browns take a huge salary cap hit?
A: It happens either way. If they keep Anderson, he counts $8.8 million on the cap. If they trade him, it's $8.2 million on the cap. Going through another season with these two young quarterbacks seems to be another way of having no starting quarterback -- and the Browns need draft picks and talent.
Q: It's still hard to see why any team would give up much for Anderson?
A: That's because most fans just watch the Browns. They don't understand the desperation of some teams desperate for a quarterback. Minnesota just traded a fourth-rounder to Houston for career backup Sage Rosenfels. Before the 2007 draft, Atlanta received two potentially high second-round picks from Houston for another backup, Matt Schaub.
Q: What can the Browns get for Anderson?
A: At least a couple of second-rounders, maybe a low first or a chance to flop other picks. A veteran could be involved in a deal. Detroit and Tampa Bay would love to have Anderson. The Jets, Chiefs and 49ers also could be in the market. The Browns are taking their time, playing it smart to build interest in Anderson, so don't pay much attention to what they say publicly about their quarterbacks.
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I think Pluto is a little high on the return value...but I do think a 2nd and a 3rd is possible.
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Zombo said:
I see the Browns keeping both Anderson and Quinn for this season, and drafting a QB in the mid rounds to groom (or, since we don't have a lot of picks, scouring the available young guys bouncing around that they might like.) they'll see who emerges, and next year Quinn or Anderson is gone and the #3 becomes #2. I'm sure a veteran journeyman will be brought into camp too.Zombo
--I don't think Mangini is ready to hand anybody anything.
The problem with keeping DA for another year is his contract.
If he DOESN'T win the starter role...he will be a backup with a $7.45M contract in 2010...AND a $2M signing bonus. In other words...he would be a guy who has sat on the bench for 2 years and being paid starter money...and nobody is going to give more than a 4th for that.
He lost significant value by hanging on to him last year...and unless the Browns are just kidding about going to a WCO type offense....he is just going to lose value again this coming year.
...and unless the Browns are just kidding about going to a WCO type offense....
We haven't heard any of this WCO bullshit out of Berea. Somehow this BQ-Nation-style rumor seems to be related to how Mangini once worked with Chuck Weis 6 years ago under a different head coach. Yeah quite a correlation there.
Really it is just your fantasy explanation for BQ to get the nod despite his noodle arm, nothing more.
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...and unless the Browns are just kidding about going to a WCO type offense....
We haven't heard any of this WCO bullshit out of Berea. Somehow this BQ-Nation-style rumor seems to be related to how Mangini once worked with Chuck Weis 6 years ago under a different head coach. Yeah quite a correlation there.
Really it is just your fantasy explanation for BQ to get the nod despite his noodle arm, nothing more.
despite his noodle arm.
L O Fcuking L.
Really? This is what it's come to? Outright lies??
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mz. said:
L O Fcuking L.Really? This is what it's come to? Outright lies??
BQ needs to get one of these to warm up his arm..........
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...and unless the Browns are just kidding about going to a WCO type offense....
We haven't heard any of this WCO bullshit out of Berea. Somehow this BQ-Nation-style rumor seems to be related to how Mangini once worked with Chuck Weis 6 years ago under a different head coach. Yeah quite a correlation there.
Really it is just your fantasy explanation for BQ to get the nod despite his noodle arm, nothing more.
We haven't heard any of this WCO bullshit out of Berea. Somehow this BQ-Nation-style rumor seems to be related to how Mangini once worked with Chuck Weis 6 years ago under a different head coach. Yeah quite a correlation there.
Really it is just your fantasy explanation for BQ to get the nod despite his noodle arm, nothing more.
Just a little clarification for you...
Hey, Tony: Given the facts the Jets run the same vertical offense as the Browns and both the Jets and Ravens passed on Brady Quinn in the draft, why is it assumed Brady is the starter and not D.A.? -- Mike Gedeon, Hudson
Hey, Mike: A couple of clarifications: 1. The Jets ran the same vertical offense as the Browns under coordinator Brian Schottenheimer. He stayed in New York and Eric Mangini appointed Brian Daboll as Browns offensive coordinator. Daboll intends to run the New England offense, which Quinn was schooled under by Charlie Weis at Notre Dame. 2. The Ravens tried to trade up in the 2007 draft to select Quinn but the Browns beat them to the punch. I can turn around your logic and point out that the Ravens elected to release Derek Anderson while George Kokinis was their pro personnel director. Kokinis is now Browns GM.
and here:
It has been presumed that Quinn will be the Browns' starter in '09, especially since new offensive coordinator Brian Daboll is expected to run the same New England Patriots-style attack that Quinn flourished in under Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis. That would leave Anderson, a 2007 Pro Bowl player, as trade bait, perhaps to acquire more draft picks. The Browns hold only four selections in the April 25-26 NFL Draft
or this:
Quinn claims to have built a great rapport with Daboll, and says the new coordinator intends to incorporate aspects of the Browns' offense with those of his former system in New England. This isn't too bad to hear either, seeing as the Patriots could have a leper as starting quarterback and still post a winning record (granted the levels of talent on both teams are on slightly different wavelengths).
so much for us making this stuff up
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So, the respected sportswriter Terry Pluto has come out and stated what many of us have stated on these boards huh?
I'm telllin' ya. All the discriminating Browns fan needs is to set up an account on Stan's board here. No other news source is needed.
Plus! We have the added dimension of entertainment here (Lum and Sev)!
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...and unless the Browns are just kidding about going to a WCO type offense....
We haven't heard any of this WCO bullshit out of Berea. Somehow this BQ-Nation-style rumor seems to be related to how Mangini once worked with Chuck Weis 6 years ago under a different head coach. Yeah quite a correlation there.
Really it is just your fantasy explanation for BQ to get the nod despite his noodle arm, nothing more.
.Really it is just your fantasy explanation for BQ to get the nod despite his noodle arm, nothing more.
Yep, we all know how horrible those weak armed Qb's are in the NFL. Especially that noodle armed Montana guy!
Lum, I'm not sure if you are really this stupid or you just try to get a rise out of people. I really hope it's the latter.
If it's the former then I pray you haven't procreated.
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You guys are really a bunch of idiots. This was a thread about the Browns possibly keeping Anderson. Lum comes in, makes a comment, and all you xxxxing morons can do is turn this into a thread about Lum.
Browns fans have grown into nothing more then a bunch of bitch ass pussies. It amazes you guys are so insecure about the Brady Boy that you can let Lum dictate every thread on this forum. I feel sorry for you Stan, your average user can't get his head out of Lums ass far enough to contribute anything to the Browns forum.
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You guys are really a bunch of idiots. This was a thread about the Browns possibly keeping Anderson. Lum comes in, makes a comment, and all you xxxxing morons can do is turn this into a thread about Lum.
Browns fans have grown into nothing more then a bunch of bitch ass pussies. It amazes you guys are so insecure about the Brady Boy that you can let Lum dictate every thread on this forum. I feel sorry for you Stan, your average user can't get his head out of Lums ass far enough to contribute anything to the Browns forum.
You guys are really a bunch of idiots. This was a thread about the Browns possibly keeping Anderson. Lum comes in, makes a comment, and all you xxxxing morons can do is turn this into a thread about Lum.
Browns fans have grown into nothing more then a bunch of bitch ass pussies. It amazes you guys are so insecure about the Brady Boy that you can let Lum dictate every thread on this forum. I feel sorry for you Stan, your average user can't get his head out of Lums ass far enough to contribute anything to the Browns forum.
yet you still take time out of your worthless day to comment on a brown's fan page. good one loser
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Oh I am a Browns fan, why would I not comment? I just refuse to turn every thread into one about Lumberg. You are guilty of this. This is the first, and last, thread I've ever used Lumberg as fuel. If you can't let 1 poster make a comment, without swirling up a PMS storm, then you are nothing but a vagina. Plain and simple.
Have fun.. Vagina.
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Same story for you Inspecta. I just did a search of your last threads posted. In the first two pages there are 7 topics with you going off topic to insult Lumberg. Is this your life? Really?
Again... Vagina
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Lets cry.. go ahead. Just like the stereotypical Browns fan. Does nothing but cry. Wait wait, lets get more stereotypical.. how about "next year"?
We can't beat the steelers, so you guys cry about how they cheat to win a handful of superbowls to our 0.
They have nobody on their OLine, yet we broke the bank on Eric and Thomas, yet we still suck. So you cry about.
Brady Quinn plays a few games, and the only good one is his dink and dunk game, so you cry about it.
DA sets the benchmark in recent Browns history on our best season, so you cry about that.
Braylon Edwards had the best season of any browns reciever ever in 2007, so you cry about that.
Hey Browns fans... why don't you quit crying, and start 2 man up. You guys sound like our team. A bunch of underachieving cry babies, I wonder if our fans spread this to our team.
I guess I'll just let this thread go. I suppose I'm the only Browns fan on this site with a set of nuts, who refuses to cry everytime Lumberg comments on a thread, and turn it into a Anti DA anti Lumberg topic.
I'll just sit back and watch the threads, and see you cry baby Vaginas let Lumberg dominate this forum.
Good day, Vaginas
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