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  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @vagitron said:

    The browns have been as bad as they've been for as long as they've been because of a lack of continuity. Pettine will continue to grow in his position as head coach. You need to stop the coaching carousel at some point no?

    The lack of continuity may be part of it....but that is not all, only a minor part. Talent plays a part.

    @the-gipper said:

    The lack of continuity may be part of it....but that is not all, only a minor part. Talent plays a part.

    Yup... Having a HC who is talented helps. Along with leadership, vision, social skills, intestinal fortitude...

    Vag, where exactly do you think we should have stopped the HC wheel since '99?

    With the possible exception of Mangini and maybe Butch (minus the GM duties), I got nothing...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • Again I ask........are we tanking the season?

    miktoxicM Tour2maT 2 Replies
  • Browns1216B Browns1216

    yes, I think being 6-4 in November with tons of starters injured is heading in the right direction. Much better football than what was seen the last few seasons. It looks rough at times but can you see Weeden making the same comebacks Hoyer has? Can you say that the team is worse now than it was last season? Can you say that you honestly believe Pettine is a worse coach than Shurmur?

    @browns1216 said:

    yes, I think being 6-4 in November with tons of starters injured is heading in the right direction. Much better football than what was seen the last few seasons. It looks rough at times but can you see Weeden making the same comebacks Hoyer has? Can you say that the team is worse now than it was last season? Can you say that you honestly believe Pettine is a worse coach than Shurmur?

    Enjoying mediocrity, I love it!

  • K kbndawg

    Again I ask........are we tanking the season?

    @kbndawg said:

    Again I ask........are we tanking the season?

    no. the starting QB just tanked his career. if we were going to tank the season they should have started like oh, let's say THE FIRST GAME?

  • The OP must be half brain dead.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.

  • Leaving hoyer in the game today=tanking the fucking season.

  • Tanking the season would be what Indianapolis did when Manning left to get Luck genius.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.

  • Honestly i think the Browns were proving to Hoyer that is was not worth "starter" money. No reason on this planet to stick with him today "if" you wanted to make the playoffs.

  • Browns are not tanking to get a higher draft pick.....they are tanking to not pay Hoyer and start the JFF era next year.

    ballpeenB 1 Reply

  • HOYER sucks. Great kid,plenty of heart,but no skills. Pettins decision cost us the season today. Great defense,zero offense. This sucks, I am so pissed off right now!!!!!!!!!!

  • K kbndawg

    Again I ask........are we tanking the season?

    @kbndawg said:

    Again I ask........are we tanking the season?

    Same answer. No.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    The OP must be half brain dead.

    Only half?

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  • You guys honestly think that today the Browns were trying to win? Leaving Hoyer in was the correct call? You honestly think th\at Hoyer gave us the best chance to win? Browns have turned their attention to next year and not paying Hoyer.

    VagitronV Tour2maT 2 Replies
  • K kbndawg

    I really think that the Browns are trying to not win. Call me crazy but it looks like we have a "next year" attitude.

    @kbndawg said:

    I really think that the Browns are trying to not win. Call me crazy but it looks like we have a "next year" attitude.

    In many ways, "Tomorrow" is "Today" in the NFL.

    Ask (former) Coach Chud

    Your contention is nuttier than nuts, IMHO.

    It is just as logical that The Browns have taken "The next 20 years" attitude, starting in 1999.

    Think so?

    "God is great. Beer is good. People are crazy."

  • what a shame. I feel bad for the defensive players. What a disgrace by the offense,and the coaching staff!!!

  • I could have sworn we have Defensive Coaches on staff...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • K kbndawg

    You guys honestly think that today the Browns were trying to win? Leaving Hoyer in was the correct call? You honestly think th\at Hoyer gave us the best chance to win? Browns have turned their attention to next year and not paying Hoyer.

    @kbndawg said:

    You guys honestly think that today the Browns were trying to win? Leaving Hoyer in was the correct call? You honestly think th\at Hoyer gave us the best chance to win? Browns have turned their attention to next year and not paying Hoyer.

    What? The browns were in the thick of it until today. What I want to know is why some of you think manziel is the answer? Hoyer is definitely shitting the bed but outside of his TD run last week he didn't exactly set the world on fire. Manziel could have come in and done worse. All that does is succeed in hurting his confidence (if that's possible)

    AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month)

  • Yep defense played great........tell me why the Browns stuck with Hoyer today with the playoffs on the line and no downside to playing Manziel. Why did Hoyer even start today? It is all about he contract.

  • K kbndawg

    You guys honestly think that today the Browns were trying to win? Leaving Hoyer in was the correct call? You honestly think th\at Hoyer gave us the best chance to win? Browns have turned their attention to next year and not paying Hoyer.

    @kbndawg said:

    You guys honestly think that today the Browns were trying to win? Leaving Hoyer in was the correct call? You honestly think th\at Hoyer gave us the best chance to win? Browns have turned their attention to next year and not paying Hoyer.

    How the fuck does playing Hoyer now lead to not paying him?

    You see D like we played today and think not trying to win?

    I thought Hoyer did give us the best chance going into the game. By the end of the 1st Qtr I did not, and wanted the change made. Then Hoyer guided our best drive of the game and I knew he was in for the duration.

    Vag... Hoyer's mechanics were way off early. Worst I'd seen in at least three weeks. Don't know what the deal is, but he was shying away from phantom pressure. The change was needed.

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  • Hoyer playing proves that he sucks and when the Browns let him walk that move will be justified. Why can't you see that?

    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • K kbndawg

    Browns are not tanking to get a higher draft pick.....they are tanking to not pay Hoyer and start the JFF era next year.

    @kbndawg said:

    Browns are not tanking to get a higher draft pick.....they are tanking to not pay Hoyer and start the JFF era next year.

    I don't agree with that

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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