The NFL and these bogus calls
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Honestly, any time someone comes unblocked toward a QB you can see the refs hand reach for the flag.
Remember last year when Grooves planted that bitch Stafford on a huge play and hit him the the chest with the "Heads Up" tackle. 15 yard penalty after Stafford rolled around on the ground like a commie soccer player.
Good thing the refs saved Stafford though. The Lions really draw in the crowds and are primed for a deep playoff run...
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The hit on Luck by Kruger was a textbook "Heads Up" tackle that the NFL has adopted for youth football. Kruger led with both hands to Lucks chest and shoved him. When Lucks head was jolted forward from the impact there was daylight between their helmets but it "appeared" to be helmet to helmet. Had there actually been helmet contact Luck would have been knocked the fuck out !
GO BROWNS !
The hit on Luck by Kruger was a textbook "Heads Up" tackle that the NFL has adopted for youth football. Kruger led with both hands to Lucks chest and shoved him. When Lucks head was jolted forward from the impact there was daylight between their helmets but it "appeared" to be helmet to helmet. Had there actually been helmet contact Luck would have been knocked the fuck out !
GO BROWNS !
Yep, that's exactly it.
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I hate the NFL now. Pussy ass flags all day. The game stops for replays every 2 minutes. Big names get every single break they can. Absolutely no flow to the game at all. It's like it's not even the same sport as it was in the 90's.
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http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2014/12/watch-game-changing-penalty-paul-krugers-sack-andrew-luck/
PLEASE watch that and tell me where helmet to helmet was. I'll wait.
Edit: that's why this stuff needs a review process. If they are going to call it based on how it looks, they need to be able to review it.
http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2014/12/watch-game-changing-penalty-paul-krugers-sack-andrew-luck/
PLEASE watch that and tell me where helmet to helmet was. I'll wait.
Edit: that's why this stuff needs a review process. If they are going to call it based on how it looks, they need to be able to review it.
As he continued to drive forward after the initial contact, the crown of his helmet hits just under the blue horseshoe.
As he continued to drive forward after the initial contact, the crown of his helmet hits just under the blue horseshoe.
That is the way it looks two replay angles, but a 3rd, the close up from the best angle, low and behind Luck (a "Fox Sports" banner appears as the camera pans left) shows that at worst the helmets "touched".
The hit on Luck by Kruger was a textbook "Heads Up" tackle that the NFL has adopted for youth football.
Other than the fact that Krug's did dip his head down... yeah... "Heads up".
The program is about keeping the head up, not extending arms.
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I hate the NFL now. Pussy ass flags all day. The game stops for replays every 2 minutes. Big names get every single break they can. Absolutely no flow to the game at all. It's like it's not even the same sport as it was in the 90's.
I hate the NFL now. Pussy ass flags all day. The game stops for replays every 2 minutes. Big names get every single break they can. Absolutely no flow to the game at all. It's like it's not even the same sport as it was in the 90's.
You should have been around in the 60's when you had to be a MAN to play football.
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As he continued to drive forward after the initial contact, the crown of his helmet hits just under the blue horseshoe.
That is the way it looks two replay angles, but a 3rd, the close up from the best angle, low and behind Luck (a "Fox Sports" banner appears as the camera pans left) shows that at worst the helmets "touched".
The hit on Luck by Kruger was a textbook "Heads Up" tackle that the NFL has adopted for youth football.
Other than the fact that Krug's did dip his head down... yeah... "Heads up".
The program is about keeping the head up, not extending arms.
That is the way it looks two replay angles, but a 3rd, the close up from the best angle, low and behind Luck (a "Fox Sports" banner appears as the camera pans left) shows that at worst the helmets "touched".
Other than the fact that Krug's did dip his head down... yeah... "Heads up".
The program is about keeping the head up, not extending arms.
Heads up hands up. Anyone who has ever played real football knows it's physically impossible to play defense under todays rules and be a boss
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I hate the NFL now. Pussy ass flags all day. The game stops for replays every 2 minutes. Big names get every single break they can. Absolutely no flow to the game at all. It's like it's not even the same sport as it was in the 90's.
You should have been around in the 60's when you had to be a MAN to play football.
You should have been around in the 60's when you had to be a MAN to play football.
You mean when they let you play defense? When there was no instant replay? When the refs were held accountable? When games were watchable?
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As he continued to drive forward after the initial contact, the crown of his helmet hits just under the blue horseshoe.
That is the way it looks two replay angles, but a 3rd, the close up from the best angle, low and behind Luck (a "Fox Sports" banner appears as the camera pans left) shows that at worst the helmets "touched".
The hit on Luck by Kruger was a textbook "Heads Up" tackle that the NFL has adopted for youth football.
Other than the fact that Krug's did dip his head down... yeah... "Heads up".
The program is about keeping the head up, not extending arms.
That is the way it looks two replay angles, but a 3rd, the close up from the best angle, low and behind Luck (a "Fox Sports" banner appears as the camera pans left) shows that at worst the helmets "touched".
Other than the fact that Krug's did dip his head down... yeah... "Heads up".
This is a natural reaction to any frontal impact that cannot be avoided by simply throwing a flag. No "crown" of the helmet came into play.
The program is about keeping the head up, not extending arms.
There hasn't been enough evaluation of the heads up program (still in its infancy), but I would venture to say that kids may be trading concussions for broken necks. Both of which are tragic.
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That is the way it looks two replay angles, but a 3rd, the close up from the best angle, low and behind Luck (a "Fox Sports" banner appears as the camera pans left) shows that at worst the helmets "touched".
Other than the fact that Krug's did dip his head down... yeah... "Heads up".
The program is about keeping the head up, not extending arms.
Heads up hands up. Anyone who has ever played real football knows it's physically impossible to play defense under todays rules and be a boss
Heads up hands up. Anyone who has ever played real football knows it's physically impossible to play defense under todays rules and be a boss
All the more impressive that our defense was boss like yesterday.
It's gotta be damn near impossible to play in the secondary under today's rules, but somehow we managed to lock it down yesterday (despite a couple late hold calls that were nonsense)
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Officials were letting the DBs play yesterday, UNTIL the 4th qtr when Luck was losing. I'm serious, I couldn't believe it. 2 defensive holding and a PI on top of the helmet to helmet
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You should have been around in the 60's when you had to be a MAN to play football.
You mean when they let you play defense? When there was no instant replay? When the refs were held accountable? When games were watchable?
You mean when they let you play defense? When there was no instant replay? When the refs were held accountable? When games were watchable?
First they outlawed the "clothesline" tackle and then the "spear" . Then the facemask was added to the helmet but you can't touch it.
And let's not forget the "horsecollar" and "targeting" the knees. Now we have instant replays , challenge flags 10 second runoffs . I say all this tongue in cheek but the game has changed drastically over time for better or for worse. One day they will add a forensic scientist to the officiating crew for paint transfer analysis to determine helmet to helmet contact . All the players will have attorneys on the sidelines to litagate unnecessary roughness penalties. And of course there will be appeals and games will last twenty-two hours. But hey we will stay up and watch them because we love football !
GO BROWNS !
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Officials were letting the DBs play yesterday, UNTIL the 4th qtr when Luck was losing. I'm serious, I couldn't believe it. 2 defensive holding and a PI on top of the helmet to helmet
Officials were letting the DBs play yesterday, UNTIL the 4th qtr when Luck was losing. I'm serious, I couldn't believe it. 2 defensive holding and a PI on top of the helmet to helmet
The annoncers said at one point during the game that this officiating crew throws the least amount of flags. And they were right ......until the 4th qtr.
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That is the way it looks two replay angles, but a 3rd, the close up from the best angle, low and behind Luck (a "Fox Sports" banner appears as the camera pans left) shows that at worst the helmets "touched".
Other than the fact that Krug's did dip his head down... yeah... "Heads up".
The program is about keeping the head up, not extending arms.
Heads up hands up. Anyone who has ever played real football knows it's physically impossible to play defense under todays rules and be a boss
Heads up hands up. Anyone who has ever played real football knows it's physically impossible to play defense under todays rules and be a boss
Impossible? No... Harder? Yes, especially with allowances not made for the QBs and Receivers ducking their heads to "protect" themselves. But we're talking tackling technique here...
Anyone who has played "real football" has been told to "see what you hit". My coaches stressed this all the time for safety. Also happens to have the added benefit of improving tackling... shoulder tackling with the head in front, and the arms wrapping and pulling in. You know... old school shit. Produced fewer KOs... but a lot surer "tackles".
Pete Carroll even developed a program to reintroduce shoulder tackling using Rugby tackling as a model.
There hasn't been enough evaluation of the heads up program (still in its infancy), but I would venture to say that kids may be trading concussions for broken necks. Both of which are tragic.
Sure... except that science has shown that neck trama induced paralysis is far more likely from compressive impacts caused by head-down, crown hits than head up hits which tend to cause the dreaded neck "sprains".
We've only known this for 30 years or so. You can ask Nick Buoniconti, if you do not believe me... Darryl Stingley unfortunately is not around to ask any longer.
"In a preseason game against the Oakland Raiders at Oakland Coliseum on August 12, 1978, Stingley was hit by Raiders defensive back Jack Tatum. As Stingley and Tatum collided, Stingley lowered his helmet, which made contact with Tatum's shoulder pad.[4] The hit compressed Stingley's spinal cord, breaking his fourth and fifth cervical vertebrae."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darryl_StingleyThere's video around of the hit, but I'll not post it. Seen it too many times as it is.
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You mean when they let you play defense? When there was no instant replay? When the refs were held accountable? When games were watchable?
First they outlawed the "clothesline" tackle and then the "spear" . Then the facemask was added to the helmet but you can't touch it.
And let's not forget the "horsecollar" and "targeting" the knees. Now we have instant replays , challenge flags 10 second runoffs . I say all this tongue in cheek but the game has changed drastically over time for better or for worse. One day they will add a forensic scientist to the officiating crew for paint transfer analysis to determine helmet to helmet contact . All the players will have attorneys on the sidelines to litagate unnecessary roughness penalties. And of course there will be appeals and games will last twenty-two hours. But hey we will stay up and watch them because we love football !
GO BROWNS !
First they outlawed the "clothesline" tackle and then the "spear" . Then the facemask was added to the helmet but you can't touch it.
And let's not forget the "horsecollar" and "targeting" the knees. Now we have instant replays , challenge flags 10 second runoffs . I say all this tongue in cheek but the game has changed drastically over time for better or for worse. One day they will add a forensic scientist to the officiating crew for paint transfer analysis to determine helmet to helmet contact . All the players will have attorneys on the sidelines to litagate unnecessary roughness penalties. And of course there will be appeals and games will last twenty-two hours. But hey we will stay up and watch them because we love football !
GO BROWNS !
And Goodell gets his crown? We need a pic of him sitting on the Iron throne.
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The only way this will stop is coaches being able to challenge the penalty and let the refs look at it, because if they would have they would see that Kruger pushed Luck in the pads and LUCK'S HELMET then made contact with Krugers. I know this will never happen but it would be nice. That penalty was a turnover at the worst point possible
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All the flags are taking away from the game,
When a good defensive play happens, you have to wait to see if there are any flags
Same with a punt or kickoff return.
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Questionable call for Rodgers and the packers
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The roughing call on Cleveland was awful. There was one non-call in which the Cleveland DB was pushing the Indy WR's head with his hand on his facemask before the ball even got there.
Calls wouldn't have mattered if Hoyer and Cundiff weren't so bad for you guys. If the Browns aren't trying out kickers this week then something is wrong. NFL kickers don't miss kicks 5 or 6 weeks in a row.
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Yeah the Kruger hit wasn't bad, unfortunately the NFL calls anything that remotely looks like helmet to helmet contact. Especially for quarterbacks. But I don't want you guys to think that Luck and company get the calls cuz were an "elite" team. We're not even close to elite or great IMO.
Wayne was being held on every third down play in Denver week 1, I mean Roby was mugging him. And considering we were coming back and stopping Manning in the 2nd half, can't say I'm surprised with no calls.
The Colts were screwed out of a first down that would've essentially sealed the deal against Philly week 2, with a no call against Boykin holding Hilton.
The Patriots get any call they want as long as they look at the ref and throw their hands in the air. I specifically remember that travesty of a call when the Browns went to New England last year, absolute terrible call that set Brady up for the win.
My point being is that I know there were some pretty iffy calls all game, I thought a lot of them were really really close and hard to tell for an official. But we really don't get those "make up" or "bail out" calls like Brady gets.
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