sell off the o line and front seven in the offseason...
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Sad loss made to sting even more by loss of any playoff hope, but still no excuse for knee-jerk bullshit.
O-line has needed help for weeks. Core is solid, but pieces are needed. Turns out one potential piece may have been Eric Winston.
D-line has been decimated. Can't wait to see Poa's snap count.
LB corps is thin as well.
Cinci came to play. We came to watch Johnny??? I'm guessing...
Sad loss made to sting even more by loss of any playoff hope, but still no excuse for knee-jerk bullshit.
O-line has needed help for weeks. Core is solid, but pieces are needed. Turns out one potential piece may have been Eric Winston.
D-line has been decimated. Can't wait to see Poa's snap count.
LB corps is thin as well.
Cinci came to play. We came to watch Johnny??? I'm guessing...
but this isn't knee jerk. You can say the D line has been decimated, but this is what we've seen from them for the most part, since opening day. It doesn't matter who we've had in there, same output. We have some guys we might be able to get something for which is why we start the build now while our secondary is still fairly young and healthy. And we can't do it all in the draft which is why we need trades. It's gonna suck to see some good guys go that you'd think could have stayed and contributed, but it is what it is. I'm not advocating getting one or two diva types like Suh who would cost us QB money...but we need to bring in guys like him.
I see guys like Orakpo and Houston available at OLB'er. With Sheard leaving "maybe" we can still hold on to Kruger and get one of those guys, but honestly if we have a chance to get both of them and continue to develop Mingo while getting another OLB'er in the draft, that's the way I'd go. Raji and Knighton are also going to available, I'd make offers to both of them. Mauleauga is gonna be a FA, Cincy will probably retain him but I'd try to get him out of there anyway while drafting a guy we sit for a year behind Mau and Robertson.....yeah I'm willing to part ways with Dansby entirely. Kirksey and the new kid, hopefully Perryman, can be the backups to some FA and Robertson. But we can't stay as we are at ILB'er. Kobe doesn't know what "soft like charmin" is...our ILB'ers are the real soft mother fuckers. Have been all season.
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Injuries are going to happen. We need to be in a better position to fill-in for those injuries. A good backup C and someone that can compete with Schwartz at RT would be good. The D-line just needs an interior Run-stuffer to prevent blockers from so easily getting to the second level...
No Knee-Jerk, Firesale, crap... that never works.
Having said that, this game sucked...
Injuries are going to happen. We need to be in a better position to fill-in for those injuries. A good backup C and someone that can compete with Schwartz at RT would be good. The D-line just needs an interior Run-stuffer to prevent blockers from so easily getting to the second level...
No Knee-Jerk, Firesale, crap... that never works.
Having said that, this game sucked...
not firesale....but need to start shopping guys.
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Sad loss made to sting even more by loss of any playoff hope, but still no excuse for knee-jerk bullshit.
O-line has needed help for weeks. Core is solid, but pieces are needed. Turns out one potential piece may have been Eric Winston.
D-line has been decimated. Can't wait to see Poa's snap count.
LB corps is thin as well.
Cinci came to play. We came to watch Johnny??? I'm guessing...
but this isn't knee jerk. You can say the D line has been decimated, but this is what we've seen from them for the most part, since opening day. It doesn't matter who we've had in there, same output. We have some guys we might be able to get something for which is why we start the build now while our secondary is still fairly young and healthy. And we can't do it all in the draft which is why we need trades. It's gonna suck to see some good guys go that you'd think could have stayed and contributed, but it is what it is. I'm not advocating getting one or two diva types like Suh who would cost us QB money...but we need to bring in guys like him.
I see guys like Orakpo and Houston available at OLB'er. With Sheard leaving "maybe" we can still hold on to Kruger and get one of those guys, but honestly if we have a chance to get both of them and continue to develop Mingo while getting another OLB'er in the draft, that's the way I'd go. Raji and Knighton are also going to available, I'd make offers to both of them. Mauleauga is gonna be a FA, Cincy will probably retain him but I'd try to get him out of there anyway while drafting a guy we sit for a year behind Mau and Robertson.....yeah I'm willing to part ways with Dansby entirely. Kirksey and the new kid, hopefully Perryman, can be the backups to some FA and Robertson. But we can't stay as we are at ILB'er. Kobe doesn't know what "soft like charmin" is...our ILB'ers are the real soft mother fuckers. Have been all season.
but this isn't knee jerk. You can say the D line has been decimated, but this is what we've seen from them for the most part, since opening day. It doesn't matter who we've had in there, same output. We have some guys we might be able to get something for which is why we start the build now while our secondary is still fairly young and healthy. And we can't do it all in the draft which is why we need trades. It's gonna suck to see some good guys go that you'd think could have stayed and contributed, but it is what it is. I'm not advocating getting one or two diva types like Suh who would cost us QB money...but we need to bring in guys like him.
I see guys like Orakpo and Houston available at OLB'er. With Sheard leaving "maybe" we can still hold on to Kruger and get one of those guys, but honestly if we have a chance to get both of them and continue to develop Mingo while getting another OLB'er in the draft, that's the way I'd go. Raji and Knighton are also going to available, I'd make offers to both of them. Mauleauga is gonna be a FA, Cincy will probably retain him but I'd try to get him out of there anyway while drafting a guy we sit for a year behind Mau and Robertson.....yeah I'm willing to part ways with Dansby entirely. Kirksey and the new kid, hopefully Perryman, can be the backups to some FA and Robertson. But we can't stay as we are at ILB'er. Kobe doesn't know what "soft like charmin" is...our ILB'ers are the real soft mother fuckers. Have been all season.
I think you always look to improve through free agency and the draft. Unfortunately, like pitching in baseball, difference makers come at a high price and as we've seen depth is nice to have.
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Ah, so. I still disagree. And highly.
Present your case other then "you disagree"...... "highly"
Present your case other then "you disagree"...... "highly"
I'll make the case that while Thomas may not be quite "overrated", he's getting close. Now is the time to shop him to a team that needs a LT. We're starting to see his decline but maybe some other team can be persuaded to give up something we desperately need. I don't "want" to give up JT, but we should see what the interest is.
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but this isn't knee jerk. You can say the D line has been decimated, but this is what we've seen from them for the most part, since opening day. It doesn't matter who we've had in there, same output. We have some guys we might be able to get something for which is why we start the build now while our secondary is still fairly young and healthy. And we can't do it all in the draft which is why we need trades. It's gonna suck to see some good guys go that you'd think could have stayed and contributed, but it is what it is. I'm not advocating getting one or two diva types like Suh who would cost us QB money...but we need to bring in guys like him.
I see guys like Orakpo and Houston available at OLB'er. With Sheard leaving "maybe" we can still hold on to Kruger and get one of those guys, but honestly if we have a chance to get both of them and continue to develop Mingo while getting another OLB'er in the draft, that's the way I'd go. Raji and Knighton are also going to available, I'd make offers to both of them. Mauleauga is gonna be a FA, Cincy will probably retain him but I'd try to get him out of there anyway while drafting a guy we sit for a year behind Mau and Robertson.....yeah I'm willing to part ways with Dansby entirely. Kirksey and the new kid, hopefully Perryman, can be the backups to some FA and Robertson. But we can't stay as we are at ILB'er. Kobe doesn't know what "soft like charmin" is...our ILB'ers are the real soft mother fuckers. Have been all season.
I think you always look to improve through free agency and the draft. Unfortunately, like pitching in baseball, difference makers come at a high price and as we've seen depth is nice to have.
I think you always look to improve through free agency and the draft. Unfortunately, like pitching in baseball, difference makers come at a high price and as we've seen depth is nice to have.
which is exactly why I begrudgingly acknowledge we may have to look to unload Kruger and/or Mugshots contracts. I wish both guys would still be in a browns uni next year, but in a revamp...who knows. And a revamp is necessary. Personnel and perhaps scheme. I dunno about scheme, I'm willing to wait on scheme cause it's possible these guys were really more suited to Hortons scheme than they were pettine's. But we simply cannot let one more year pass with this abysmal run D. It utterly negates our superiority at secondary and that makes me sick.
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Present your case other then "you disagree"...... "highly"
I'll make the case that while Thomas may not be quite "overrated", he's getting close. Now is the time to shop him to a team that needs a LT. We're starting to see his decline but maybe some other team can be persuaded to give up something we desperately need. I don't "want" to give up JT, but we should see what the interest is.
I'll make the case that while Thomas may not be quite "overrated", he's getting close. Now is the time to shop him to a team that needs a LT. We're starting to see his decline but maybe some other team can be persuaded to give up something we desperately need. I don't "want" to give up JT, but we should see what the interest is.
If Thomas is viewed as a top 2 or 3 LT in the league he is overrated. I agree if you can sell him now and get something legit you do.
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I think you always look to improve through free agency and the draft. Unfortunately, like pitching in baseball, difference makers come at a high price and as we've seen depth is nice to have.
which is exactly why I begrudgingly acknowledge we may have to look to unload Kruger and/or Mugshots contracts. I wish both guys would still be in a browns uni next year, but in a revamp...who knows. And a revamp is necessary. Personnel and perhaps scheme. I dunno about scheme, I'm willing to wait on scheme cause it's possible these guys were really more suited to Hortons scheme than they were pettine's. But we simply cannot let one more year pass with this abysmal run D. It utterly negates our superiority at secondary and that makes me sick.
which is exactly why I begrudgingly acknowledge we may have to look to unload Kruger and/or Mugshots contracts. I wish both guys would still be in a browns uni next year, but in a revamp...who knows. And a revamp is necessary. Personnel and perhaps scheme. I dunno about scheme, I'm willing to wait on scheme cause it's possible these guys were really more suited to Hortons scheme than they were pettine's. But we simply cannot let one more year pass with this abysmal run D. It utterly negates our superiority at secondary and that makes me sick.
Yeah Kruger isn't worth the money he's getting paid and Haden's contract is laughable. What irks me the most is the complete lack of direction in the front office.
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I'll make the case that while Thomas may not be quite "overrated", he's getting close. Now is the time to shop him to a team that needs a LT. We're starting to see his decline but maybe some other team can be persuaded to give up something we desperately need. I don't "want" to give up JT, but we should see what the interest is.
If Thomas is viewed as a top 2 or 3 LT in the league he is overrated. I agree if you can sell him now and get something legit you do.
If Thomas is viewed as a top 2 or 3 LT in the league he is overrated. I agree if you can sell him now and get something legit you do.
only problem is there's no real good LT available in FA. Would we draft a LT high then? With what we need defensively in the draft I dunno. If we can land some high value free agents at DL like Raji, Knighton or Fairley...than maybe we can draft a tackle high if there is one. If we had taken Mack with our 1st last year we'd be good at ILB'er which would free up some options, but as it stands right now we need so much at our LB'er spot I can't imagine we don't use 1 or possibly both our 1st round picks to cover ILB and OLB since Sheard will likely be gone for sure.
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which is exactly why I begrudgingly acknowledge we may have to look to unload Kruger and/or Mugshots contracts. I wish both guys would still be in a browns uni next year, but in a revamp...who knows. And a revamp is necessary. Personnel and perhaps scheme. I dunno about scheme, I'm willing to wait on scheme cause it's possible these guys were really more suited to Hortons scheme than they were pettine's. But we simply cannot let one more year pass with this abysmal run D. It utterly negates our superiority at secondary and that makes me sick.
Yeah Kruger isn't worth the money he's getting paid and Haden's contract is laughable. What irks me the most is the complete lack of direction in the front office.
Yeah Kruger isn't worth the money he's getting paid and Haden's contract is laughable. What irks me the most is the complete lack of direction in the front office.
easy now Hadens the one guy on this team who I think is playing absolutely up to his contract.
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I like Krueger and I'd hate to see him go but something has got to change up there
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Kruger has elevated his game quite a bit this season. Haden, until him being hurt today and one TD given up to HIlton, has had one of the better 5-6 game stretches in the NFL.
You fucking people have to be joking about trading these two.
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It really all depends if Kruger fits with what comes next. Cause obviously something has to be reworked or at least tweaked with the scheme. But having 8m tied up at one OLB'er spot may not be viable tia. But no, not Haden. He's the cornerstone of our secondary.
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Yeah Kruger isn't worth the money he's getting paid and Haden's contract is laughable. What irks me the most is the complete lack of direction in the front office.
easy now Hadens the one guy on this team who I think is playing absolutely up to his contract.
easy now Hadens the one guy on this team who I think is playing absolutely up to his contract.
Giving a DB that kind of money, when you draft Gilbert 8th, in this "hands off" league is nuts. Haden has been up and down this season but overall has been good. He's gonna be a $12 to $14 million hit over the next few years.
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Present your case other then "you disagree"...... "highly"
I'll make the case that while Thomas may not be quite "overrated", he's getting close. Now is the time to shop him to a team that needs a LT. We're starting to see his decline but maybe some other team can be persuaded to give up something we desperately need. I don't "want" to give up JT, but we should see what the interest is.
I'll make the case that while Thomas may not be quite "overrated", he's getting close. Now is the time to shop him to a team that needs a LT. We're starting to see his decline but maybe some other team can be persuaded to give up something we desperately need. I don't "want" to give up JT, but we should see what the interest is.
And his replacement would be?
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I'll make the case that while Thomas may not be quite "overrated", he's getting close. Now is the time to shop him to a team that needs a LT. We're starting to see his decline but maybe some other team can be persuaded to give up something we desperately need. I don't "want" to give up JT, but we should see what the interest is.
And his replacement would be?
And his replacement would be?
dunno, which is why we wouldn't get rid of him unless someone wsa really desperate for a LT and came up out of their pockets. I'm not saying firesale this. But we have to start shopping.
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Kruger has elevated his game quite a bit this season. Haden, until him being hurt today and one TD given up to HIlton, has had one of the better 5-6 game stretches in the NFL.
You fucking people have to be joking about trading these two.
Kruger has elevated his game quite a bit this season. Haden, until him being hurt today and one TD given up to HIlton, has had one of the better 5-6 game stretches in the NFL.
You fucking people have to be joking about trading these two.
I would completely agree with you if you can pay players without consequence. New England won't hap a DB cap hit over $4 million next year.
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easy now Hadens the one guy on this team who I think is playing absolutely up to his contract.
Giving a DB that kind of money, when you draft Gilbert 8th, in this "hands off" league is nuts. Haden has been up and down this season but overall has been good. He's gonna be a $12 to $14 million hit over the next few years.
Giving a DB that kind of money, when you draft Gilbert 8th, in this "hands off" league is nuts. Haden has been up and down this season but overall has been good. He's gonna be a $12 to $14 million hit over the next few years.
can't be helped. We "had" to retain Haden. Our secondary is the best in the NFL now, that has to be retained.
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It really all depends if Kruger fits with what comes next. Cause obviously something has to be reworked or at least tweaked with the scheme. But having 8m tied up at one OLB'er spot may not be viable tia. But no, not Haden. He's the cornerstone of our secondary.
It really all depends if Kruger fits with what comes next. Cause obviously something has to be reworked or at least tweaked with the scheme. But having 8m tied up at one OLB'er spot may not be viable tia. But no, not Haden. He's the cornerstone of our secondary.
Sheard is the most likely casualty. At least, to me he is. Rub shortly afterwards. Kruger and Mingo, will be the OLB's moving forward beyond this season. Unless of course the front office feels frisky enough to draft someone high or mid round. That said, the man has double digit sacks, has done some of the better work against the run of all our front 7 and seems to be rounding into the form. As it stands I don't think the front office has any issue with the money they're spending on him.
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It really all depends if Kruger fits with what comes next. Cause obviously something has to be reworked or at least tweaked with the scheme. But having 8m tied up at one OLB'er spot may not be viable tia. But no, not Haden. He's the cornerstone of our secondary.
Sheard is the most likely casualty. At least, to me he is. Rub shortly afterwards. Kruger and Mingo, will be the OLB's moving forward beyond this season. Unless of course the front office feels frisky enough to draft someone high or mid round. That said, the man has double digit sacks, has done some of the better work against the run of all our front 7 and seems to be rounding into the form. As it stands I don't think the front office has any issue with the money they're spending on him.
Sheard is the most likely casualty. At least, to me he is. Rub shortly afterwards. Kruger and Mingo, will be the OLB's moving forward beyond this season. Unless of course the front office feels frisky enough to draft someone high or mid round. That said, the man has double digit sacks, has done some of the better work against the run of all our front 7 and seems to be rounding into the form. As it stands I don't think the front office has any issue with the money they're spending on him.
as I've been saying, it all depends if someone's willing to give us something for him. If not then no, we retain him. The problem is he's the one with the highest trade value on that front 7 right now isn't he? I don't want to see him go but if we were to get a decently high 1st rounder for him with maybe a little extra?????
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