sell off the o line and front seven in the offseason...
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but this isn't knee jerk. You can say the D line has been decimated, but this is what we've seen from them for the most part, since opening day. It doesn't matter who we've had in there, same output. We have some guys we might be able to get something for which is why we start the build now while our secondary is still fairly young and healthy. And we can't do it all in the draft which is why we need trades. It's gonna suck to see some good guys go that you'd think could have stayed and contributed, but it is what it is. I'm not advocating getting one or two diva types like Suh who would cost us QB money...but we need to bring in guys like him.
I see guys like Orakpo and Houston available at OLB'er. With Sheard leaving "maybe" we can still hold on to Kruger and get one of those guys, but honestly if we have a chance to get both of them and continue to develop Mingo while getting another OLB'er in the draft, that's the way I'd go. Raji and Knighton are also going to available, I'd make offers to both of them. Mauleauga is gonna be a FA, Cincy will probably retain him but I'd try to get him out of there anyway while drafting a guy we sit for a year behind Mau and Robertson.....yeah I'm willing to part ways with Dansby entirely. Kirksey and the new kid, hopefully Perryman, can be the backups to some FA and Robertson. But we can't stay as we are at ILB'er. Kobe doesn't know what "soft like charmin" is...our ILB'ers are the real soft mother fuckers. Have been all season.
I think you always look to improve through free agency and the draft. Unfortunately, like pitching in baseball, difference makers come at a high price and as we've seen depth is nice to have.
I think you always look to improve through free agency and the draft. Unfortunately, like pitching in baseball, difference makers come at a high price and as we've seen depth is nice to have.
which is exactly why I begrudgingly acknowledge we may have to look to unload Kruger and/or Mugshots contracts. I wish both guys would still be in a browns uni next year, but in a revamp...who knows. And a revamp is necessary. Personnel and perhaps scheme. I dunno about scheme, I'm willing to wait on scheme cause it's possible these guys were really more suited to Hortons scheme than they were pettine's. But we simply cannot let one more year pass with this abysmal run D. It utterly negates our superiority at secondary and that makes me sick.
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Present your case other then "you disagree"...... "highly"
I'll make the case that while Thomas may not be quite "overrated", he's getting close. Now is the time to shop him to a team that needs a LT. We're starting to see his decline but maybe some other team can be persuaded to give up something we desperately need. I don't "want" to give up JT, but we should see what the interest is.
I'll make the case that while Thomas may not be quite "overrated", he's getting close. Now is the time to shop him to a team that needs a LT. We're starting to see his decline but maybe some other team can be persuaded to give up something we desperately need. I don't "want" to give up JT, but we should see what the interest is.
If Thomas is viewed as a top 2 or 3 LT in the league he is overrated. I agree if you can sell him now and get something legit you do.
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I think you always look to improve through free agency and the draft. Unfortunately, like pitching in baseball, difference makers come at a high price and as we've seen depth is nice to have.
which is exactly why I begrudgingly acknowledge we may have to look to unload Kruger and/or Mugshots contracts. I wish both guys would still be in a browns uni next year, but in a revamp...who knows. And a revamp is necessary. Personnel and perhaps scheme. I dunno about scheme, I'm willing to wait on scheme cause it's possible these guys were really more suited to Hortons scheme than they were pettine's. But we simply cannot let one more year pass with this abysmal run D. It utterly negates our superiority at secondary and that makes me sick.
which is exactly why I begrudgingly acknowledge we may have to look to unload Kruger and/or Mugshots contracts. I wish both guys would still be in a browns uni next year, but in a revamp...who knows. And a revamp is necessary. Personnel and perhaps scheme. I dunno about scheme, I'm willing to wait on scheme cause it's possible these guys were really more suited to Hortons scheme than they were pettine's. But we simply cannot let one more year pass with this abysmal run D. It utterly negates our superiority at secondary and that makes me sick.
Yeah Kruger isn't worth the money he's getting paid and Haden's contract is laughable. What irks me the most is the complete lack of direction in the front office.
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I'll make the case that while Thomas may not be quite "overrated", he's getting close. Now is the time to shop him to a team that needs a LT. We're starting to see his decline but maybe some other team can be persuaded to give up something we desperately need. I don't "want" to give up JT, but we should see what the interest is.
If Thomas is viewed as a top 2 or 3 LT in the league he is overrated. I agree if you can sell him now and get something legit you do.
If Thomas is viewed as a top 2 or 3 LT in the league he is overrated. I agree if you can sell him now and get something legit you do.
only problem is there's no real good LT available in FA. Would we draft a LT high then? With what we need defensively in the draft I dunno. If we can land some high value free agents at DL like Raji, Knighton or Fairley...than maybe we can draft a tackle high if there is one. If we had taken Mack with our 1st last year we'd be good at ILB'er which would free up some options, but as it stands right now we need so much at our LB'er spot I can't imagine we don't use 1 or possibly both our 1st round picks to cover ILB and OLB since Sheard will likely be gone for sure.
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which is exactly why I begrudgingly acknowledge we may have to look to unload Kruger and/or Mugshots contracts. I wish both guys would still be in a browns uni next year, but in a revamp...who knows. And a revamp is necessary. Personnel and perhaps scheme. I dunno about scheme, I'm willing to wait on scheme cause it's possible these guys were really more suited to Hortons scheme than they were pettine's. But we simply cannot let one more year pass with this abysmal run D. It utterly negates our superiority at secondary and that makes me sick.
Yeah Kruger isn't worth the money he's getting paid and Haden's contract is laughable. What irks me the most is the complete lack of direction in the front office.
Yeah Kruger isn't worth the money he's getting paid and Haden's contract is laughable. What irks me the most is the complete lack of direction in the front office.
easy now Hadens the one guy on this team who I think is playing absolutely up to his contract.
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I like Krueger and I'd hate to see him go but something has got to change up there
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Kruger has elevated his game quite a bit this season. Haden, until him being hurt today and one TD given up to HIlton, has had one of the better 5-6 game stretches in the NFL.
You fucking people have to be joking about trading these two.
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It really all depends if Kruger fits with what comes next. Cause obviously something has to be reworked or at least tweaked with the scheme. But having 8m tied up at one OLB'er spot may not be viable tia. But no, not Haden. He's the cornerstone of our secondary.
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Yeah Kruger isn't worth the money he's getting paid and Haden's contract is laughable. What irks me the most is the complete lack of direction in the front office.
easy now Hadens the one guy on this team who I think is playing absolutely up to his contract.
easy now Hadens the one guy on this team who I think is playing absolutely up to his contract.
Giving a DB that kind of money, when you draft Gilbert 8th, in this "hands off" league is nuts. Haden has been up and down this season but overall has been good. He's gonna be a $12 to $14 million hit over the next few years.
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Present your case other then "you disagree"...... "highly"
I'll make the case that while Thomas may not be quite "overrated", he's getting close. Now is the time to shop him to a team that needs a LT. We're starting to see his decline but maybe some other team can be persuaded to give up something we desperately need. I don't "want" to give up JT, but we should see what the interest is.
I'll make the case that while Thomas may not be quite "overrated", he's getting close. Now is the time to shop him to a team that needs a LT. We're starting to see his decline but maybe some other team can be persuaded to give up something we desperately need. I don't "want" to give up JT, but we should see what the interest is.
And his replacement would be?
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I'll make the case that while Thomas may not be quite "overrated", he's getting close. Now is the time to shop him to a team that needs a LT. We're starting to see his decline but maybe some other team can be persuaded to give up something we desperately need. I don't "want" to give up JT, but we should see what the interest is.
And his replacement would be?
And his replacement would be?
dunno, which is why we wouldn't get rid of him unless someone wsa really desperate for a LT and came up out of their pockets. I'm not saying firesale this. But we have to start shopping.
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Kruger has elevated his game quite a bit this season. Haden, until him being hurt today and one TD given up to HIlton, has had one of the better 5-6 game stretches in the NFL.
You fucking people have to be joking about trading these two.
Kruger has elevated his game quite a bit this season. Haden, until him being hurt today and one TD given up to HIlton, has had one of the better 5-6 game stretches in the NFL.
You fucking people have to be joking about trading these two.
I would completely agree with you if you can pay players without consequence. New England won't hap a DB cap hit over $4 million next year.
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easy now Hadens the one guy on this team who I think is playing absolutely up to his contract.
Giving a DB that kind of money, when you draft Gilbert 8th, in this "hands off" league is nuts. Haden has been up and down this season but overall has been good. He's gonna be a $12 to $14 million hit over the next few years.
Giving a DB that kind of money, when you draft Gilbert 8th, in this "hands off" league is nuts. Haden has been up and down this season but overall has been good. He's gonna be a $12 to $14 million hit over the next few years.
can't be helped. We "had" to retain Haden. Our secondary is the best in the NFL now, that has to be retained.
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It really all depends if Kruger fits with what comes next. Cause obviously something has to be reworked or at least tweaked with the scheme. But having 8m tied up at one OLB'er spot may not be viable tia. But no, not Haden. He's the cornerstone of our secondary.
It really all depends if Kruger fits with what comes next. Cause obviously something has to be reworked or at least tweaked with the scheme. But having 8m tied up at one OLB'er spot may not be viable tia. But no, not Haden. He's the cornerstone of our secondary.
Sheard is the most likely casualty. At least, to me he is. Rub shortly afterwards. Kruger and Mingo, will be the OLB's moving forward beyond this season. Unless of course the front office feels frisky enough to draft someone high or mid round. That said, the man has double digit sacks, has done some of the better work against the run of all our front 7 and seems to be rounding into the form. As it stands I don't think the front office has any issue with the money they're spending on him.
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It really all depends if Kruger fits with what comes next. Cause obviously something has to be reworked or at least tweaked with the scheme. But having 8m tied up at one OLB'er spot may not be viable tia. But no, not Haden. He's the cornerstone of our secondary.
Sheard is the most likely casualty. At least, to me he is. Rub shortly afterwards. Kruger and Mingo, will be the OLB's moving forward beyond this season. Unless of course the front office feels frisky enough to draft someone high or mid round. That said, the man has double digit sacks, has done some of the better work against the run of all our front 7 and seems to be rounding into the form. As it stands I don't think the front office has any issue with the money they're spending on him.
Sheard is the most likely casualty. At least, to me he is. Rub shortly afterwards. Kruger and Mingo, will be the OLB's moving forward beyond this season. Unless of course the front office feels frisky enough to draft someone high or mid round. That said, the man has double digit sacks, has done some of the better work against the run of all our front 7 and seems to be rounding into the form. As it stands I don't think the front office has any issue with the money they're spending on him.
as I've been saying, it all depends if someone's willing to give us something for him. If not then no, we retain him. The problem is he's the one with the highest trade value on that front 7 right now isn't he? I don't want to see him go but if we were to get a decently high 1st rounder for him with maybe a little extra?????
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Giving a DB that kind of money, when you draft Gilbert 8th, in this "hands off" league is nuts. Haden has been up and down this season but overall has been good. He's gonna be a $12 to $14 million hit over the next few years.
can't be helped. We "had" to retain Haden. Our secondary is the best in the NFL now, that has to be retained.
can't be helped. We "had" to retain Haden. Our secondary is the best in the NFL now, that has to be retained.
It was a fan friendly pick but you drafted Haden I believe 7th and picked Gilbert 8th. Gilbert then should be the new Haden and Skrine is the opposite guy and you spend that money in other places. The beauty of the NFL is through the draft you can drastically improve your team, the bad news is if you draft poorly you lose ground. The Patriots will let people go that are cap issues, Revis next year, and reload in the 4th round of the draft.
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If our front 7 is the problem, why would we trade any our best players for an unproven rookie?
If our front 7 is the problem, why would we trade any our best players for an unproven rookie?
Gotta hope you can draft and develop. I think Bitonio was a good pick. If you can draft a top tackle and develop him you save on the cap. Next year Thomas will count as $10.5 million towards the cap and Bitonio $1.5 million. When you are looking long term, which I hope they are, you have to make draft picks successful.
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Kruger has elevated his game quite a bit this season. Haden, until him being hurt today and one TD given up to HIlton, has had one of the better 5-6 game stretches in the NFL.
You fucking people have to be joking about trading these two.
I would completely agree with you if you can pay players without consequence. New England won't hap a DB cap hit over $4 million next year.
I would completely agree with you if you can pay players without consequence. New England won't hap a DB cap hit over $4 million next year.
What? You think they won't retain Revis? Browner and himself are one of the big reasons the Pats are so dangerous at home this year.
It was a fan friendly pick but you drafted Haden I believe 7th and picked Gilbert 8th. Gilbert then should be the new Haden and Skrine is the opposite guy and you spend that money in other places. The beauty of the NFL is through the draft you can drastically improve your team, the bad news is if you draft poorly you lose ground. The Patriots will let people go that are cap issues, Revis next year, and reload in the 4th round of the draft.
Not a chance in hell you let a top 5 DB under 25 years old walk off your team. You draft Gilbert to form a dominant secondary, not to let Haden go.
Also, the pats will at worst re-structure Revis' contract but you can bet your sweet ass he's staying in New England. Dude has balled out this season like the Revis of old.
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Nothing wrong with this team that a quarterback wouldnt solve.
We are 7-6 with a mediocre one, and 0-1 while starting little mascots.
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