Jonathan Paul Manziel
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Don't really see what this has to do with the original post but again you misrepresented what he had to say in the press conference. That's all.And analyzers gonna analyze...
Specific names? Correct, none mentioned save Hawk (except in passing), and Hawk's was a positive ref. But I do not feel I am misrepresenting anything, Steve. There is a fair amount of the all inclusive "We have to play better"... same as Hoyer.
Just did a count..
I's - ~18 including a surprising amount of deluded, self-appraisal, e.g. "I did not think the game was too fast for me." "I was prepared."
We's - ~22 including the above example plus, "team thing" and "we did not make plays on 3rd down."
My original point was simply that many statements were identical to those Hoyer made in his pressers. Statements that lovers here jumped upon...
Lovers gonna love...
He did not shy away from the blame.
(and from my point of view the other facets of the game or a lot worse than they were last week. A lot.)
And he sucked too.
WSS
Don't really see what this has to do with the original post but again you misrepresented what he had to say in the press conference. That's all.
I restated what I originally said, but you appeared to not comprehend. I took a shot.
JM said what I said he said. A lot of we's... even gave you a count.
He said other stuff as well, credible "my bad" stuff. And he said other stuff that was self-serving and delusional.
You think I'm misrepresenting...
I think you're being intentionally dense...
Let's move on.
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All I heard all week was that Shanny would call plays to Johnny's strengths. Well that didn't happen
No one EVER thought Johnny could stand back there and read defenses.
But yet that's what we did.
I saw 1 and I mean 1 REAL rollout play. Not that would have helped, but it hurt BIG TIME
also the bungles were 27th against the run, we ran right up the middle ALL DAY
No one EVER thought Johnny could stand back there and read defenses.
Which is the reason so many didn't want to pick him in the first place
But yet that's what we did.
Because thats what NFL QB's need to do to succeed in this league
I saw 1 and I mean 1 REAL rollout play. Not that would have helped, but it hurt BIG TIME
Im confused. Your mad that he stayed in the pocket, but mad that he rolled out?
also the bungles were 27th against the run, we ran right up the middle ALL DAY
Confused again. So we were wrong to run at the 27th worst run defense?
Your killing me with this stuff. Next thing you know you'll be blaming this loss on the coin toss
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Oh we can certainly move on bud. I'm not angry, & I hope you're not. It seems to me the point you want to make is that someone here thought Brian Hoyer failed to take enough personal responsibility in his press conference. Now you think Johnny Manziel fell short on the same subject.
As dense as I probably am that's my guess as to the reason for your post.
(it does remind me of the history of the team at the point of the Vinnie V Bernie debate. For some reason if you liked one guy you are required by some ridiculous Browns rules to hate the other one.)
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No one EVER thought Johnny could stand back there and read defenses.
Which is the reason so many didn't want to pick him in the first place
But yet that's what we did.
Because thats what NFL QB's need to do to succeed in this league
I saw 1 and I mean 1 REAL rollout play. Not that would have helped, but it hurt BIG TIME
Im confused. Your mad that he stayed in the pocket, but mad that he rolled out?
also the bungles were 27th against the run, we ran right up the middle ALL DAY
Confused again. So we were wrong to run at the 27th worst run defense?
Your killing me with this stuff. Next thing you know you'll be blaming this loss on the coin toss
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Oh we can certainly move on bud. I'm not angry, & I hope you're not. It seems to me the point you want to make is that someone here thought Brian Hoyer failed to take enough personal responsibility in his press conference. Now you think Johnny Manziel fell short on the same subject.
As dense as I probably am that's my guess as to the reason for your post.
(it does remind me of the history of the team at the point of the Vinnie V Bernie debate. For some reason if you liked one guy you are required by some ridiculous Browns rules to hate the other one.)
WSS
For some reason if you like one guy you are required by some ridiculous Browns rules to hate the other one.
WSS
This is my pain. The polarizing nature of these 2 QB's. And the inability of those that love them(or hate them) to accept objective analysis. So many are too fast to condemn. And on the other side, so many feel the need to defend, even in the face of horrible play.
And its so extreme(the love and hate for one) that now that we have lost 4 out of 5 games, we are debating how our QB's respond verbally to their terrible play at press conferences?? Which one grovels best?.
Im more worried how he'll respond next week on the field.
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No one EVER thought Johnny could stand back there and read defenses.
Which is the reason so many didn't want to pick him in the first place
But yet that's what we did.
Because thats what NFL QB's need to do to succeed in this league
I saw 1 and I mean 1 REAL rollout play. Not that would have helped, but it hurt BIG TIME
Im confused. Your mad that he stayed in the pocket, but mad that he rolled out?
also the bungles were 27th against the run, we ran right up the middle ALL DAY
Confused again. So we were wrong to run at the 27th worst run defense?
Your killing me with this stuff. Next thing you know you'll be blaming this loss on the coin toss
Your killing me with this stuff. Next thing you know you'll be blaming this loss on the coin toss
Nah... that's a different thread...
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Oh we can certainly move on bud. I'm not angry, & I hope you're not. It seems to me the point you want to make is that someone here thought Brian Hoyer failed to take enough personal responsibility in his press conference. Now you think Johnny Manziel fell short on the same subject.
As dense as I probably am that's my guess as to the reason for your post.
(it does remind me of the history of the team at the point of the Vinnie V Bernie debate. For some reason if you liked one guy you are required by some ridiculous Browns rules to hate the other one.)
WSS
Oh we can certainly move on bud. I'm not angry, & I hope you're not. It seems to me the point you want to make is that someone here thought Brian Hoyer failed to take enough personal responsibility in his press conference. Now you think Johnny Manziel fell short on the same subject.
As dense as I probably am that's my guess as to the reason for your post.
Not angry either, Steve, just incredulous... until your latest installment. Now I see the issue and that you batted .500 in what you said above about "my points".
You were right to take as my point that Manziel said many of the same things Hoyer said and was criticized by many Manziel backers for saying.
You wrong to take as a point that I was saying Manziel "fell short" for saying the same. Completely beside the point.
My intent was to point out to the JM backers that their boy was saying much of the same. Either both were in the wrong or both were in the right. I lean toward the latter. There have been a lot of "we" failures for weeks now.
Peace...
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Oh come on Z, a punt returner?? He's way too slow for that....... Holder maybe?
Punt holder?
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Oh we can certainly move on bud. I'm not angry, & I hope you're not. It seems to me the point you want to make is that someone here thought Brian Hoyer failed to take enough personal responsibility in his press conference. Now you think Johnny Manziel fell short on the same subject.
As dense as I probably am that's my guess as to the reason for your post.
(it does remind me of the history of the team at the point of the Vinnie V Bernie debate. For some reason if you liked one guy you are required by some ridiculous Browns rules to hate the other one.)
WSS
Oh we can certainly move on bud. I'm not angry, & I hope you're not. It seems to me the point you want to make is that someone here thought Brian Hoyer failed to take enough personal responsibility in his press conference. Now you think Johnny Manziel fell short on the same subject.
As dense as I probably am that's my guess as to the reason for your post.
(it does remind me of the history of the team at the point of the Vinnie V Bernie debate. For some reason if you liked one guy you are required by some ridiculous Browns rules to hate the other one.)
WSS
Ginger on Mary Ann? One must have been a stinker, right?
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I,said it after the draft,I said it while he held the clipboard and I will now shout it from the rooftops. Manziel will never be a successful, let alone "elite" QB in the pros as some have and some still say.I believe HASLEM wanted "Johnny Sideshow" not for his presumed talent but a marketing ploy to sell shit at the pro shop. I also said and still say that the worst thing we could do is play this little shit and expose just how worthless this guy was at #22 overall. In the aftermath of Sundays debachle (and there was not one hint of the myth, the legend "Johnny Football"). We may have fucked up our chance to keep Hoyer (who I still say is a very talented Qb), and don't have near the talent we could have gotten at #22 last year. Don't get your panties in a wad, I didn't say Hoyer was going to take us to a Super Bowl but he fits the bill rather nicely as the style of qb we need as we rebuild. The qb position is normaly the biggest expense and always the the most important piece of the puzzle which in my estimation should be the last piece. Rebuild a team around the style qb you need on the cheap and when you get close spend the money. Look at the Rams ..... Sam Bradford early piece of the puzzle, ...... broke down. Look at the Broncos ....... rebuild, go out and buy Manning . And I can hear the bullshit already. Give Johnny a chance, he's only played one game, he's still learning. Well if he still needs to learn he should have STAYED IN FUCKING SCHOOL at A&M. We also have another Qb who fits the right style in Conner Shaw. He will be around the NFL long after the Sideshow is gone.
GO BROWNS AND PLEASE GO BACK TO TEXAS JOHNNY AND GET A DEGREE, YOU'RE GONNA NEED IT!
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Mary Ann, 100 percent. She'd be far, far more likely to
join me in a couple of root beers...
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Hoyer: How come i never got the pistol formation?
Johnny: hahaha... (points to shanny) this idiot thought it might work
Shanny: I need a new job
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Hoyer: Hey, Broadway, see? We have a couple of receivers that aren't into football.
Johnny: Okay, now I see it. Hawkins is ignorant, Gordon only remembers three routes, and he never
remembers how to make adjustments. So, you want to go back and be the starter?
Hoyer: (laughs) Hell, no, I'm cool with letting you suffer for a while.
Johnny: (laughs) Thanks a lot, pal. You're the man. You told me, but I didn't see it til now.
Shanny: Let's see, we need to draft about three wr's next year... in the first four rounds......... this sucks.
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I didn't listen to the whole thing, still a bit shell-shocked. What I heard sounded ok, but I think, as others have said, he seems to always say the right things. He needs to show improvement on the field, or it means nothing.
One thing that struck me Sunday was his lack of confidence. He exuded a hesitance I've never seen from him before, not even in his worst college games. As I watched, I never saw the same Johnny that always looked like he thought he could win, no matter what the score was.
Hopefully, this is just the normal rookie thing going on, and he just needs to adapt to NFL speed. It's maybe a good thing that the team didn't play well, either, as it would suck for Johnny to be the only reason the team lost.
Looking back, I sure wish hoyer had played well and won vs. Indy and left Johnny on the bench. The fact that Johnny played seemed to fire cincy up. If Hoyer played Sunday, maybe the whole game plays our dufferently.
Sucks. I suck. Sucks to be me. I hope things turn around.
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I didn't listen to the whole thing, still a bit shell-shocked. What I heard sounded ok, but I think, as others have said, he seems to always say the right things. He needs to show improvement on the field, or it means nothing.
One thing that struck me Sunday was his lack of confidence. He exuded a hesitance I've never seen from him before, not even in his worst college games. As I watched, I never saw the same Johnny that always looked like he thought he could win, no matter what the score was.
Hopefully, this is just the normal rookie thing going on, and he just needs to adapt to NFL speed. It's maybe a good thing that the team didn't play well, either, as it would suck for Johnny to be the only reason the team lost.
Looking back, I sure wish hoyer had played well and won vs. Indy and left Johnny on the bench. The fact that Johnny played seemed to fire cincy up. If Hoyer played Sunday, maybe the whole game plays our dufferently.
Sucks. I suck. Sucks to be me. I hope things turn around.
as it would suck(for you) for Johnny to be the only reason the team lost.
Looking back, I sure wish hoyer had played well and won vs. Indy and left Johnny on the bench.
Sucks. I suck. Sucks to be me. I hope things turn around.
Us too.
Except the first part......because Browns fans would have preferred the rest of the team to play better..... and only manzielots are glad the rest of the team played poorly....cause it helps with their JFF pain.
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Tour batting .500 gets you into the Hall of Fame... But, & I don't know if you recall, last year I spent plenty of time pointing out to the haters that Brandon Weeden had absolutely no running game and a much worse offensive line then we have now. & a defense that was gassed by the 4th quarter. And Greg Little to throw to and drop passes. Yes there was Gordon but the rest were horrible.
WSS
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Janet over Chrissy.
WSS
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I didn't listen to the whole thing, still a bit shell-shocked. What I heard sounded ok, but I think, as others have said, he seems to always say the right things. He needs to show improvement on the field, or it means nothing.
One thing that struck me Sunday was his lack of confidence. He exuded a hesitance I've never seen from him before, not even in his worst college games. As I watched, I never saw the same Johnny that always looked like he thought he could win, no matter what the score was.
Hopefully, this is just the normal rookie thing going on, and he just needs to adapt to NFL speed. It's maybe a good thing that the team didn't play well, either, as it would suck for Johnny to be the only reason the team lost.
Looking back, I sure wish hoyer had played well and won vs. Indy and left Johnny on the bench. The fact that Johnny played seemed to fire cincy up. If Hoyer played Sunday, maybe the whole game plays our dufferently.
Sucks. I suck. Sucks to be me. I hope things turn around.
I didn't listen to the whole thing, still a bit shell-shocked. What I heard sounded ok, but I think, as others have said, he seems to always say the right things. He needs to show improvement on the field, or it means nothing.
What he said was just fine, just like what Hoyer said was fine. Wish he would stop laughing after getting embarassed on the field though.
One thing that struck me Sunday was his lack of confidence. He exuded a hesitance I've never seen from him before, not even in his worst college games. As I watched, I never saw the same Johnny that always looked like he thought he could win, no matter what the score was.
He just wouldn't throw the ball. He held it way too long for some reason. I don't know if it had to do with confidence...or if he was looking for "college open" versus "NFL open" receivers. He had plays down the field he just wouldn't throw it - it looked more like he didn't see them rather than he was scared to throw it... If he should have been scared to throw anything it should have been the pass to the middle of the end zone.
He'd also turn full goofy in the pocket for no reason. Like when he pulled the ball down, hesitated, and ran right into geno atkins. He had the ball for 5 friggin seconds (would have had a little bit longer), but he didn't throw it, then ran into the sack.
Hopefully, this is just the normal rookie thing going on, and he just needs to adapt to NFL speed. It's maybe a good thing that the team didn't play well, either, as it would suck for Johnny to be the only reason the team lost.
He wasn't even close to ready, but the team did suck.
Looking back, I sure wish hoyer had played well and won vs. Indy and left Johnny on the bench. The fact that Johnny played seemed to fire cincy up. If Hoyer played
Sunday, maybe the whole game plays our dufferently.
Probably would have been for the best, but it is what it is.
Sucks. I suck. Sucks to be me. I hope things turn around.
Us too
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