JF has 200 more starts for the browns....
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@everlastingxxx said:
We have to temper expectations. I am probably at fault for expecting too much too soon. I didnt know what to expect once he got in there. I thought it would be a mixed bag, i didnt expect a complete disaster performance.
From here on out I am looking for improvement each week. Does he learn from his mistakes? Do you see progress? That really is the key. Nothing like live bullets and a shot of humility. I am happy for Johnny, he got de-flowered. Hopefully the media backs off a little and lets him learn and develope like any other rookie is suppose to.
If by "de-flowered" you mean "butt-fucked" and on a flexed to the max, Fox Sports nationwide broadcast, good choice of words.
As for the media "back(ing) off"... good luck with that. They'd have loved a success story, but given that there's blood in the water now, they'll just as gladly take a full out feeding frenzy.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Just rewatched the game (well the Browns offense). Not as bad as i thought for Manziel. Some real positives and of course negatives. I think many of us owe Hoyer an apology because this offense, doesnt do shit to help their QB. That was my impression. Too many breakdowns on the o-line, WRs dont get open and dont fight for the ball, running backs not knowing the play calls, stupid penalties, blow plays. I mean, it was just poor execution on the entire offense. I thought the Bengals played everything perfect. Manziel missed a few throws, mostly because he hesitated. I think he sat in the pocket and went through his reads. Made some nice throws on the run. His foot work is his own style, if you wanted perfect foot work you should have drafted another QB. My prediction is he plays much better next week. I dont know if the offense will score alot of points but i think Johnny wont hesitate as much. I know the forum is losing its fucking mind, but i feel good about him still. Lots to stay positive about.
Big turn in sentiments in two-hours...
So his footwork deteriorated in the two-weeks since the Bills game? I'll have to watch for that because it was perfect then... excepting the two pressures... which is understandable.
What was your impression of JM's read-option reads? On the mark? Signs of rust?
What percentage of JM's 18 pass attempts would you say came out in the rhythm of the play, i.e., on time?
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Manziel could take a shit at midfield in both these next two games and he will start next year. The browns may use these games to evaluate a couple other positions, but qb is not one of them. And that would be true even if bh was still starting.
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Carolina's defense on the road is a tough matchup, especially what their front 7 will be able to do with pressure up the middle. JF not going to be able to step up through that, and unfortunately they've been doing a decent job of containing the edge as well.
And Baltimore is going to be hungry as hell the last week of the year, as they will likely have playoff ramifications.
Wouldn't be surprised if JF amd the browns offense continues to struggle mightily these next two. But....patience. Process. It'll come...just not now:)
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Bernie Kosar....lmfao...he's a has been wannabe-a never was.
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Manziel could take a shit at midfield in both these next two games and he will start next year. The browns may use these games to evaluate a couple other positions, but qb is not one of them. And that would be true even if bh was still starting.
Manziel could also take a shit in your mouth and I suspect you'd like it.Manziel could take a shit at midfield in both these next two games and he will start next year. The browns may use these games to evaluate a couple other positions, but qb is not one of them. And that would be true even if bh was still starting.
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Bernie Kosar....lmfao...he's a has been wannabe-a never was.
Probably one of the smartest QB's I can remember in some time. A man that had it between the ears made up for his lack of athletic ability and awkward delivery.
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You know who would also be a pretty smart qb...relative to his arm and athletic ability? Stephen hawking. And I don't want him leading our team either.
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Pettine has shown he doesnt care about draft position. If manziel wants to presume he starts, he'll watch Shaw do the throwing.
But: Manziel was the first one in the facility and the last one out all week.. so all you who say he isn't working now.. are objectively wrong. That's from NFL network.
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Omg... go fuck yourself you texas size piece of shit.
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You know who would also be a pretty smart qb...relative to his arm and athletic ability? Stephen hawking. And I don't want him leading our team either.
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You know who would also be a pretty smart qb...relative to his arm and athletic ability? Stephen hawking. And I don't want him leading our team either.
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Pettine has shown he doesnt care about draft position. If manziel wants to presume he starts, he'll watch Shaw do the throwing.
But: Manziel was the first one in the facility and the last one out all week.. so all you who say he isn't working now.. are objectively wrong. That's from NFL network.
Pettine has shown he doesnt care about draft position. If manziel wants to presume he starts, he'll watch Shaw do the throwing.
But: Manziel was the first one in the facility and the last one out all week.. so all you who say he isn't working now.. are objectively wrong. That's from NFL network.
Sure he's working hard now. Was he working hard the previous 14 weeks? Sunday's games says no..
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Bernie Kosar....lmfao...he's a has been wannabe-a never was.
Some questions for you.
Do you know anything about football?
Why do you talk like a 12 year old girl?
Do you take it up the ass from some man named taco?
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Carolina's defense on the road is a tough matchup, especially what their front 7 will be able to do with pressure up the middle. JF not going to be able to step up through that, and unfortunately they've been doing a decent job of containing the edge as well.
And Baltimore is going to be hungry as hell the last week of the year, as they will likely have playoff ramifications.
Wouldn't be surprised if JF amd the browns offense continues to struggle mightily these next two. But....patience. Process. It'll come...just not now:)
Carolina's defense on the road is a tough matchup, especially what their front 7 will be able to do with pressure up the middle. JF not going to be able to step up through that, and unfortunately they've been doing a decent job of containing the edge as well.
And Baltimore is going to be hungry as hell the last week of the year, as they will likely have playoff ramifications.
Wouldn't be surprised if JF amd the browns offense continues to struggle mightily these next two. But....patience. Process. It'll come...just not now:)
Good plan asshat...get the excuses out of the way before he even plays his next game.
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I think it was all the JFF nut swingers who raised the expectations so high. So now after we've seen a team game plan against him and what that result looked like, we should lower them? We benched a QB with an above .500 record as a starter to IMPROVE things. We were told over and over all we needed was the brilliance of our savior who art in football heaven to rescue us from evil, evil Brian Hoyer. We were told he has been working hard and preparing for 13 weeks for his chance to enlighten all us doubters. Nope, no lowering of expectations here. Sorry. This is what all the JFF lovers wanted. You got it. This team can't exist without a QB controversy. So good luck with the lowering of expectations campaign.
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I think it was all the JFF nut swingers who raised the expectations so high. So now after we've seen a team game plan against him and what that result looked like, we should lower them? We benched a QB with an above .500 record as a starter to IMPROVE things. We were told over and over all we needed was the brilliance of our savior who art in football heaven to rescue us from evil, evil Brian Hoyer. We were told he has been working hard and preparing for 13 weeks for his chance to enlighten all us doubters. Nope, no lowering of expectations here. Sorry. This is what all the JFF lovers wanted. You got it. This team can't exist without a QB controversy. So good luck with the lowering of expectations campaign.
I think it was all the JFF nut swingers who raised the expectations so high. So now after we've seen a team game plan against him and what that result looked like, we should lower them? We benched a QB with an above .500 record as a starter to IMPROVE things. We were told over and over all we needed was the brilliance of our savior who art in football heaven to rescue us from evil, evil Brian Hoyer. We were told he has been working hard and preparing for 13 weeks for his chance to enlighten all us doubters. Nope, no lowering of expectations here. Sorry. This is what all the JFF lovers wanted. You got it. This team can't exist without a QB controversy. So good luck with the lowering of expectations campaign.
Pretty much sums it up. No chance the expectations are going to be lowered except that a lot of us aren't entirely convinced the guy has what it takes to be an NFL QB so from that standpoint, my expectations going into this Sunday are pretty fucking low. I just hope he can get into 3 digits in passing yards and maybe, oh I don't know...if it's not asking too much of our first round Heisman winning QB, lead the team to some points. I hear that scoring points is pretty important for an NFL team and if you can score a lot of them, the team has a better chance of winning.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Just rewatched the game (well the Browns offense). Not as bad as i thought for Manziel. Some real positives and of course negatives. I think many of us owe Hoyer an apology because this offense, doesnt do shit to help their QB. That was my impression. Too many breakdowns on the o-line, WRs dont get open and dont fight for the ball, running backs not knowing the play calls, stupid penalties, blow plays. I mean, it was just poor execution on the entire offense. I thought the Bengals played everything perfect. Manziel missed a few throws, mostly because he hesitated. I think he sat in the pocket and went through his reads. Made some nice throws on the run. His foot work is his own style, if you wanted perfect foot work you should have drafted another QB. My prediction is he plays much better next week. I dont know if the offense will score alot of points but i think Johnny wont hesitate as much. I know the forum is losing its fucking mind, but i feel good about him still. Lots to stay positive about.
Big turn in sentiments in two-hours...
So his footwork deteriorated in the two-weeks since the Bills game? I'll have to watch for that because it was perfect then... excepting the two pressures... which is understandable.
What was your impression of JM's read-option reads? On the mark? Signs of rust?
What percentage of JM's 18 pass attempts would you say came out in the rhythm of the play, i.e., on time?
@everlastingxxx said:
Big turn in sentiments in two-hours... I did drink alot of vodka during the game, but after rewatching it, i thought it wasnt as bad. Ill probably watch it another 3 or 4 times this week. Ive already rewatched the Cowboys game 3 times, lol. I have no life!
So his footwork deteriorated in the two-weeks since the Bills game? I'll have to watch for that because it was perfect then... excepting the two pressures... which is understandable. The play calls always had him moving his feet. The pressure up the middle i think caused him to throw off his back foot once or twice. Might be why Hoyer regressed on his footwork. #77 needs a pink slip, btw. Browns need better lineman and better WRs. Not sold on the tiny WRs. I dont see them getting open very often.
What was your impression of JM's read-option reads? On the mark? Signs of rust? Hard to know unless you know what the purpose of the play is. The read option doesnt work if the defense plays it well. Bengals were ready. They were all over it.
What percentage of JM's 18 pass attempts would you say came out in the rhythm of the play, i.e., on time? Again, it depends on what the play is and who the first read is. On the INT that was negated by a penalty, i thought the pass was on time. A little high, but i think Manziel is used to taller WRs. The other INTs he were obviously late. Its a timing thing, just a lack of reps and experience in the NFL. He is a see-it throw it guy. Romo was the same way (sorry just my experience and knowledge of a similar player). Romo didnt know how to anticipate guys getting open. He learned how to do it. Its possible to learn.
Cool... looking forward to comparing notes.
And thanks...
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I think it was all the JFF nut swingers who raised the expectations so high. So now after we've seen a team game plan against him and what that result looked like, we should lower them? We benched a QB with an above .500 record as a starter to IMPROVE things. We were told over and over all we needed was the brilliance of our savior who art in football heaven to rescue us from evil, evil Brian Hoyer. We were told he has been working hard and preparing for 13 weeks for his chance to enlighten all us doubters. Nope, no lowering of expectations here. Sorry. This is what all the JFF lovers wanted. You got it. This team can't exist without a QB controversy. So good luck with the lowering of expectations campaign.
We benched a QB with an above .500 record as a starter to IMPROVE things.
Agree... the Zealots certainly over hyped their guy.
But the guy we benched was not the one that at one point had a .700+ winning percentage. Something broke or at least seriously wore down... in addition to the loss of Mack.
I just hope he can get into 3 digits in passing yards and maybe... lead the team to some points.
First, will The Tavern be serving Tacos this Sunday?
Second, I just want signs of QB competency. A well-timed pass here. Signs of a finding a secondary receiver there. Pocket awareness as in when not to leave it. In other words more than I could have seen on nearly any Fall Saturday the past couple years with the only difference being it was working.
Not sure where the team will be a whole, so I won't put a great deal of Stockton... I mean, stock in the scoreboard.
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