time to start the draft talk you Blunts.

[RoyceRolls]

....you guys remember when the team was winning and there were pundits picking the Browns to take the AFCN? That was when the Browns Oline was kicking ass and taking names. Mack broke his leg, and that sucks but you guys make it sound like it's the year 2000 and we need to blow the whole O-line up....no we just need to get Mack back. Maybe spend one pick beefing up the O-line or let Farmer find a K'wuan Williams or Isaiah Crowell of the O-line, but this unit will be fine.

[Zombo]

@chicopee-john said:

Clearly, yesterday was a Disaster with a capital "D"

Just curious, though, about the size, mobility of JF vs. let's say, Russell Wilson?

Wilson is just damn smart and poised. One is suited to be a college QB and one is suited to be an NFL stud. We got the college guy. Manziel plays small. Yesterday he played tiny. I thought a lineman was going to hold him up by his little pants with his arms and legs flailing. Like the cartoons. Except it is our personal hell.

On one sack the lineman just grabbed the midget with one paw and then Johnny's little tiny shoes tripped over the guys other hand.

Zombo

[miktoxic]

yes we need to get mack back plus a back up in case he get's injured again. i could name 3 positions on the OL i would draft. then there's the DLine. how'd we look without taylor. we need another DL and a NT. then start with LBs.

you have to wonder now though if they'll cash in a bunch of chips for a roll at a QB. WR is no the priority. if the OL could open up holes for the running game the receivers would be just fine.

wasn't hawkins leading every receiver in the league in YAC while we were running the ball?

[WalterWhite]

1. DT Danny Shelton (fucking Monster and Holati Ngata clone)

1. ILB Denzel Perryman (best run stopping LB in the draft, hits like Ray Lewis and plays like him too)

2. WR Sammy Coates (He's got #1 WR talent but will slip due to limited exposure)

3. TE Nick O'Leary (reminds me of Chris Cooley)

4. SS Jarquiski Tarrt (Whitner's Replacement) Small school diamond in the rough.

The rest of the draft: best offensive and defensive lineman available!!!

[Clevfan4life]

Perryman def has to be looked at with one of those first two picks.

[Tour2ma]

As far as the O-line is concerned, we need at least 2 and FA is the likely route.

Need a vet who can play C & OG competently. Here are the candidates:

Player Pos Status From To Age Exp 2014 Cap Hit

Mike Iupati G UFA SF TBD 27 4 $4,625,863

Dan Connolly G UFA NE TBD 32 8 $4,083,333

Rob Sims G UFA DET TBD 31 8 $3,775,000

Erik Pears G UFA BUF TBD 32 9 $3,450,000

Jeromey Clary G UFA SD TBD 31 8 $3,300,000

James Carpenter G UFA SEA TBD 25 3 $2,431,364

Willie Colon G UFA NYJ TBD 31 8 $2,000,000

Daryn Colledge G UFA MIA TBD 32 8 $2,000,000

Davin Joseph G UFA STL TBD 31 8 $1,750,000

Clint Boling G UFA CIN TBD 25 3 $1,551,362

Joe Reitz G UFA IND TBD 27 4 $1,431,000

Orlando Franklin G UFA DEN TBD 27 3

Conolly and Colon jumped out at me, but there's a Buffalo name there that Pet undoubtedly knows.

FA is a wasteland at LT, and RT is not much better, but does offer a couple names:

Player Pos Status From To Age Exp 2014 Cap Hit

Bryan Bulaga RT UFA GB TBD 25 4 $3,829,000

Eric Winston RT UFA CIN TBD 31 8 $201,176

[Andruw u]

A FA backup C is fine. I don't want to improve (?) the right side of our line with 33-year-olds. Keep picking BPA at every D spot except CB.

When we ran well, our offense was fine with Andrew Hawkins as the No. 1 receiver. Down to the 3rd or 4th center, getting Cameron and Gordon back hasn't mattered.

With 6 picks in the first 4 rounds, I'd go RG and RT (not to automatically throw out Greco and Schwartz, but to add depth and eventually, if FA C, Schwartz, Greco, Seymour and McDonald are OLs Nos. 6-10, that looks a ton different), 3 BPAs on D and a TE or WR depending on Gordon and Cameron. I'd go the best blocking and receiving TE, then if we're able to keep Cameron, he becomes even more a WR rather than the usual TE.

[cuwoohio]

Why would anyone think the draft is going to help this team while we're still stuck in this losing culture that's plagued this franchise for the last 20 plus years. There's a missing piece in this organization, and I'm not sure who or what that is, but I think a coach that's given complete control of all of the the on field decisions with players and has the respect of the team and opponents could be it. Pettine could fill that role, but he has to grow into the position and that means we need to keep him around for at least 3 or 4 years to find out.

When we go into a draft, we need to remember that one draft isn't going to make a winner. 2 first round picks doesn't make a winning team magically appear. We build with a plan and look for key position starters early and good back ups later in the draft.

Have a plan and stick to it.

[tiamat63]

This "losing culture" was really turning around the first 10 weeks of the season, was it not?

I think they're enough players on this team now that are hungry to win. More importantly some vets that have tasted success which becomes infectious. The issue is injury, talent and leadership. The last of those being a very distant 3rd. Suppose Mack, Dansby, Phil, Gipson and Monty weren't hurt. This team would probably be sitting around 9 wins with a serious shot at taking the AFCN.

For the first time in a long time, this team had direction, a steady coach that didn't throw his own players under the bus and some talent. The most important being the latter. Now that a good portion of said talent is on the IR, the team has suffered.

It's pretty simple, this draft class and free agency pool can help this team. It's rarely an overnight process in the NFL. We have 7 wins for god sake. One over what might be the NFC south champ, a blowout over Pittsburgh and another over the bungles. This season has not been a 4 win unmitigated disaster like the previous 6. I like a lot of what I see. Just needs time and more young talent.

[Manzier]

@tiamat63 said:

This "losing culture" was really turning around the first 10 weeks of the season, was it not?

I think they're enough players on this team now that are hungry to win. More importantly some vets that have tasted success which becomes infectious. The issue is injury, talent and leadership. The last of those being a very distant 3rd. Suppose Mack, Dansby, Phil, Gipson and Monty weren't hurt. This team would probably be sitting around 9 wins with a serious shot at taking the AFCN.

For the first time in a long time, this team had direction, a steady coach that didn't throw his own players under the bus and some talent. The most important being the latter. Now that a good portion of said talent is on the IR, the team has suffered.

It's pretty simple, this draft class and free agency pool can help this team. It's rarely an overnight process in the NFL. We have 7 wins for god sake. One over what might be the NFC south champ, a blowout over Pittsburgh and another over the bungles. This season has not been a 4 win unmitigated disaster like the previous 6. I like a lot of what I see. Just needs time and more young talent.

Couldn't have said it better.

[cuwoohio]

The Bengals game screamed "losing culture". There has been improvements made, and we had signs of change. It just has to continue and grow, and the draft has to fit into that change.

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[miktoxic]

@cuwoohio said:

The Bengals game screamed "losing culture". There has been improvements made, and we had signs of change. It just has to continue and grow, and the draft has to fit into that change.

.

wrong.

it screamed of one team being healthy and remembering a huge beat down that was given by the other team that didn't field those same players and is now being held together by string and glue because of injuries and started a rookie QB for the first time.

you couldn't be any more wrong.

and if you don't think this FO doesn't know what direction they want this team to go in and using the draft and FA to get them there??????? isn't that just common sense?

[cuwoohio]

Common sense has nothing to do with the Browns since 99. Our players quit, plain and simple. Not all, but enough to make it look as pathetic as it did. It was a common theme with section 139, and anyone I talked to after the game. Sure, a few people simply blamed JF, but that's because they are just that, simple. There was no fight in our team. They just gave up.

[TexasAg1969]

Pettine appeared shocked when discussing the review of the tapes. I think he expected better from the whole team, including JM. He is keeping JM starting for the last two games to get a better read since he did not play as well as he has practiced apparently.

In terms of draft I have always believed you rebuild teams from the trenches outward. Sunday's game showed how little depth we have in both lines.

[hoorta]

Zombo said:

Wilson is just damn smart and poised. One is suited to be a college QB and one is suited to be an NFL stud. We got the college guy. Manziel plays small. Yesterday he played tiny. I thought a lineman was going to hold him up by his little pants with his arms and legs flailing. Like the cartoons. Except it is our personal hell.

On one sack the lineman just grabbed the midget with one paw and then Johnny's little tiny shoes tripped over the guys other hand.

Zombo

Unfortunately Z this is the NFL. and a DL would get flagged for unnecessary roughness if they did a repeat to JF what Suh did when he ragdoll tossed Colt McCoy for around 5 yards when he was at Texas. For the record- Colt 6'2" 215, Johnny Football 6'0", 215.

[mohican]

Is there a good quarterback in this years draft?

[Mudfly]

@mohican said:

Is there a good quarterback in this years draft?

Mariota will go right away and isn't worth the trade up......

I expect Winston to be available.....if you consider immature head cases to be good QB's....

Otherwise, no one else that looks like a sure bet.....all projects

[Clevfan4life]

the losing culture will return right quick if we change regimes again.

and no, no fucking qb in next years draft. Get Hoyer signed, he needs to be our qb for the next two years at least. Johnny just has to sit on the bench and learn...but Hoyer needs to understand that it's an open comp. None of this johnnny has to leave BS.

[MLD Woody]

The only real sure-fire #1 WR is Cooper, and he'll be gone by our pick.

[Zombo]

@hoorta said:

Unfortunately Z this is the NFL. and a DL would get flagged for unnecessary roughness if they did a repeat to JF what Suh did when he ragdoll tossed Colt McCoy for around 5 yards when he was at Texas. For the record- Colt 6'2" 215, Johnny Football 6'0", 215.

Here he is getting sacked by one hand.

Meanwhile, we hit Ben or Flacco with three guys and they escape and throw a dart.

Zombo