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  • The Bengals game screamed "losing culture". There has been improvements made, and we had signs of change. It just has to continue and grow, and the draft has to fit into that change.

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  • C cuwoohio

    The Bengals game screamed "losing culture". There has been improvements made, and we had signs of change. It just has to continue and grow, and the draft has to fit into that change.

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    @cuwoohio said:

    The Bengals game screamed "losing culture". There has been improvements made, and we had signs of change. It just has to continue and grow, and the draft has to fit into that change.

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    wrong.

    it screamed of one team being healthy and remembering a huge beat down that was given by the other team that didn't field those same players and is now being held together by string and glue because of injuries and started a rookie QB for the first time.

    you couldn't be any more wrong.

    and if you don't think this FO doesn't know what direction they want this team to go in and using the draft and FA to get them there??????? isn't that just common sense?

  • Common sense has nothing to do with the Browns since 99. Our players quit, plain and simple. Not all, but enough to make it look as pathetic as it did. It was a common theme with section 139, and anyone I talked to after the game. Sure, a few people simply blamed JF, but that's because they are just that, simple. There was no fight in our team. They just gave up.

    TypicalBrownsT Tour2maT 2 Replies

  • Pettine appeared shocked when discussing the review of the tapes. I think he expected better from the whole team, including JM. He is keeping JM starting for the last two games to get a better read since he did not play as well as he has practiced apparently.

    In terms of draft I have always believed you rebuild teams from the trenches outward. Sunday's game showed how little depth we have in both lines.

  • Z Zombo

    @chicopee-john said:

    Clearly, yesterday was a Disaster with a capital "D"

    Just curious, though, about the size, mobility of JF vs. let's say, Russell Wilson?

    Wilson is just damn smart and poised. One is suited to be a college QB and one is suited to be an NFL stud. We got the college guy. Manziel plays small. Yesterday he played tiny. I thought a lineman was going to hold him up by his little pants with his arms and legs flailing. Like the cartoons. Except it is our personal hell.

    On one sack the lineman just grabbed the midget with one paw and then Johnny's little tiny shoes tripped over the guys other hand.

    Zombo

    Zombo said:

    Wilson is just damn smart and poised. One is suited to be a college QB and one is suited to be an NFL stud. We got the college guy. Manziel plays small. Yesterday he played tiny. I thought a lineman was going to hold him up by his little pants with his arms and legs flailing. Like the cartoons. Except it is our personal hell.

    On one sack the lineman just grabbed the midget with one paw and then Johnny's little tiny shoes tripped over the guys other hand.

    Zombo

    🙂 Unfortunately Z this is the NFL. and a DL would get flagged for unnecessary roughness if they did a repeat to JF what Suh did when he ragdoll tossed Colt McCoy for around 5 yards when he was at Texas. For the record- Colt 6'2" 215, Johnny Football 6'0", 215.

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  • Is there a good quarterback in this years draft?

    Hope has two beautiful daughters: Their names are Anger and Courage. Anger that things are the way they are. Courage to make them the way they ought to be. - St. Augustine. Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their vision. - Ayn Rand
  • mohicanM mohican

    Is there a good quarterback in this years draft?

    @mohican said:

    Is there a good quarterback in this years draft?

    Mariota will go right away and isn't worth the trade up......

    I expect Winston to be available.....if you consider immature head cases to be good QB's....

    Otherwise, no one else that looks like a sure bet.....all projects

  • the losing culture will return right quick if we change regimes again.

    and no, no fucking qb in next years draft. Get Hoyer signed, he needs to be our qb for the next two years at least. Johnny just has to sit on the bench and learn...but Hoyer needs to understand that it's an open comp. None of this johnnny has to leave BS.

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  • The only real sure-fire #1 WR is Cooper, and he'll be gone by our pick.

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • hoortaH hoorta

    Zombo said:

    Wilson is just damn smart and poised. One is suited to be a college QB and one is suited to be an NFL stud. We got the college guy. Manziel plays small. Yesterday he played tiny. I thought a lineman was going to hold him up by his little pants with his arms and legs flailing. Like the cartoons. Except it is our personal hell.

    On one sack the lineman just grabbed the midget with one paw and then Johnny's little tiny shoes tripped over the guys other hand.

    Zombo

    🙂 Unfortunately Z this is the NFL. and a DL would get flagged for unnecessary roughness if they did a repeat to JF what Suh did when he ragdoll tossed Colt McCoy for around 5 yards when he was at Texas. For the record- Colt 6'2" 215, Johnny Football 6'0", 215.

    @hoorta said:

    🙂 Unfortunately Z this is the NFL. and a DL would get flagged for unnecessary roughness if they did a repeat to JF what Suh did when he ragdoll tossed Colt McCoy for around 5 yards when he was at Texas. For the record- Colt 6'2" 215, Johnny Football 6'0", 215.

    johnny-manziel-brandon-thompson-nfl-cinc

    Here he is getting sacked by one hand.

    Meanwhile, we hit Ben or Flacco with three guys and they escape and throw a dart.

    Zombo

  • Yes the QBs don't seem that appealing to me this year.

    Beef up the lines, add a receiver, grab some front 7 depth in general on defense.

    I'm cool with Hoyer starting behind our line with 3 probable pro bowlers on it (Thomas, Mack, Bitonio) next year.

    I'd really like to see a premium nose tackle.

  • C Clevfan4life

    the losing culture will return right quick if we change regimes again.

    and no, no fucking qb in next years draft. Get Hoyer signed, he needs to be our qb for the next two years at least. Johnny just has to sit on the bench and learn...but Hoyer needs to understand that it's an open comp. None of this johnnny has to leave BS.

    @clevfan4life said:

    the losing culture will return right quick if we change regimes again.

    and no, no fucking qb in next years draft. Get Hoyer signed, he needs to be our qb for the next two years at least. Johnny just has to sit on the bench and learn...but Hoyer needs to understand that it's an open comp. None of this johnnny has to leave BS.

    I agree, but I don't think Hoyer will be here next year, and they are not going into the season with Manziel and Shaw. They will have to get a veteran from free agency not another rookie unless they decide to part ways with Manziel, and I doubt that.

  • C cuwoohio

    @clevfan4life said:

    the losing culture will return right quick if we change regimes again.

    and no, no fucking qb in next years draft. Get Hoyer signed, he needs to be our qb for the next two years at least. Johnny just has to sit on the bench and learn...but Hoyer needs to understand that it's an open comp. None of this johnnny has to leave BS.

    I agree, but I don't think Hoyer will be here next year, and they are not going into the season with Manziel and Shaw. They will have to get a veteran from free agency not another rookie unless they decide to part ways with Manziel, and I doubt that.

    @cuwoohio said:

    I agree, but I don't think Hoyer will be here next year, and they are not going into the season with Manziel and Shaw. They will have to get a veteran from free agency not another rookie unless they decide to part ways with Manziel, and I doubt that.

    Not many good ones, I'd rather keep Brian than take Sanchez, Ponder, Locker, etc, etc.

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  • Yep....There is definitely no magic pill out there in the NFL.....a bunch of retreads.....bad QB's....back ups......or old men....

    And college wise, it's a weak class. No great prospects. So, unless Farmer finds that magic Genie, we gotta work with what we got and fish for a lucky draw later in the draft.....

  • if manziel looks as bad as he did against the bengals last week in the last 2 remaining games i wouldn't be so sure about next year's roster.

    hoyer blew his chance for a big contract with the browns, or so it looked until manziel took the field.

  • Agreed. Coaching. Take the same players and place them on a well coached team and you'd see results. Coaching.

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
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  • bbedwardB bbedward

    @cuwoohio said:

    I agree, but I don't think Hoyer will be here next year, and they are not going into the season with Manziel and Shaw. They will have to get a veteran from free agency not another rookie unless they decide to part ways with Manziel, and I doubt that.

    Not many good ones, I'd rather keep Brian than take Sanchez, Ponder, Locker, etc, etc.

    @bbedward said:

    Not many good ones, I'd rather keep Brian than take Sanchez, Ponder, Locker, etc, etc.

    What about Grossman and Kyle Orton?

    DAMN THE TORPEDOES! FULL SPEED AHEAD!
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  • Opal312O Opal312

    Agreed. Coaching. Take the same players and place them on a well coached team and you'd see results. Coaching.

    @opal312 said:

    Agreed. Coaching. Take the same players and place them on a well coached team and you'd see results. Coaching.

    you funny.

  • Opal312O Opal312

    @bbedward said:

    Not many good ones, I'd rather keep Brian than take Sanchez, Ponder, Locker, etc, etc.

    What about Grossman and Kyle Orton?

    @opal312 said:

    What about Grossman and Kyle Orton?

    If what we saw on the field Sunday is the other option, blech.

    If we beef up the line, I think the good Brian (the one who doesn't throw picks) is a fine option for awhile.

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  • Opal312O Opal312

    Agreed. Coaching. Take the same players and place them on a well coached team and you'd see results. Coaching.

    @opal312 said:

    Agreed. Coaching. Take the same players and place them on a well coached team and you'd see results. Coaching.

    you can't make that call after 1 year. Vince Lombardi could rise up out of the grave and still need a few years to gel with guys. Like Pettine or not, we don't have a choice but to stick with him for years to come. Blame past FO's but it is what it is now....another coaching change means we'll NEVER get anyone here worth a damn. You want the Browns to become a yearly procession of CFL and D3 cast outs? You think we'll get a Cowher type here if we demonstrably prove that any coach that comes here has to "at least" make the playoffs year 1? No chance.

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