JF has 200 more starts for the browns....
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Zombo I feel like you didnt want to answer my question.
No one else played good. Run D got owned all game.
Johnny made some good throws that were fucking dropped.
Hell he threw 2 passes in the 1st qtr cuz bengals had the ball the entire time.
No run game either for Cleveland. None.
So your saying Johnny still shouldve lit it up with recievers and running backs being non existent? As a rookie?
Maybe you do get delusional sometimes, I think all the losing since 98 has taken a toll on your brain.
Its so goddamn easy to point fingers at the QB, did you not watch the game? Our defense was putrid.
The entire team looked like shit, THAT is what is most dissapointing. A playoff game, playoff atmosphere, and the ENTIRE TEAM came out flat.
THAT is what I am more concerned about, not our rookie qb coming from an air raid O and is 22 stuggling in his NFL debut.
Also, the coaches,players and Joe Thomas, all said that they would have to "elevate our play around Johnny" to win. This did not happenZombo I feel like you didnt want to answer my question.
No one else played good. Run D got owned all game.
Johnny made some good throws that were fucking dropped.
Hell he threw 2 passes in the 1st qtr cuz bengals had the ball the entire time.
No run game either for Cleveland. None.
So your saying Johnny still shouldve lit it up with recievers and running backs being non existent? As a rookie?
Maybe you do get delusional sometimes, I think all the losing since 98 has taken a toll on your brain.
Its so goddamn easy to point fingers at the QB, did you not watch the game? Our defense was putrid.
The entire team looked like shit, THAT is what is most dissapointing. A playoff game, playoff atmosphere, and the ENTIRE TEAM came out flat.
THAT is what I am more concerned about, not our rookie qb coming from an air raid O and is 22 stuggling in his NFL debut.
Also, the coaches,players and Joe Thomas, all said that they would have to "elevate our play around Johnny" to win. This did not happen
You're getting yourself all worked up because I am not happy with the QB's performance, was there some sort of positive that came out of the game that I missed?
Your QB is on your on-field leader and sets the tone.
So your defense has you down 7-0 before you ever get that ball ... that happens to QBs all the time. And guess what, it doesn't matter when you score zero points.
I have been watching football a long time, and I have yet to see a team win a football game by scoring zero points. I've seen teams come back from 0-7,0-10, 0-17 ... hell I saw the Browns come back from 28-3 earlier this year, on the road. But I am yet to see a team win by scoring zero, and that's what our offense did with Manziel as its leader.
I'm mad ... because he sucked. It was a playoff game ... and he did nothing.
The other 45-50 guys that had roles in the defeat on Sunday, I pretty much knew what they are capable of and not capable of ... the thing we changed ... was the quarterback.
You see, I am as about "pure of heart" a Browns fan that you will ever find. I don't root for one player over another. I don't want anybody to perform badly on Sundays. I don't have an agenda. I don't want to be "right'.
I ... want ... the Browns ... to win.
I want the Browns to win.
So when the whole Quinn/Anderson thing was going on, some saw me as a "Quinn hater" or a "DA manlover". No. I wanted the Browns to win. When Anderson started, I felt like we had a "puncher's chance" 50/50 even. Half the time he was mind-numbingly bad, and made awful mistakes, but half the time ... we won. The other guy just didn't give my team as good a chance to win. So I didn't think he should be handed the job because he "deserved it". From 07-09 We were 16-15 when Anderson started and 3-9 when Quinn started. I had nothing against Quinn. He didn't make my team better.
So let's move ahead to present day. Over the past two years, my team is 10-6 when Brian Hoyer starts, and it is 1-13 when other people start. So I have been told all year that Hoyer is mediocre, and that the team will be even better if we replace him with the first round pick. I was OK with that. I really was. I agreed that Hoyer hadn't played well enough for long enough of a stretch that the change was warranted.
So we switched QBs and the replacement was awful. Was unprepared. Made horrible decisions. Did not display a skillset that is synonymous with NFL success. I felt helpless as he QB'd by my team's offense. We didn't score a point. He didn't make my team better.
I honestly don't care that Hoyer is from Cleveland. And I honestly don't care about any of the off-the-field stuff with Johnny. I don't care who won awards, who was drafted when, who has hair, who is bald, who played in what system, who is young and who is old ... Make my team better.
I'm the first to admit, that Hoyer is not a great NFL QB. But if you are going to replace Hoyer ... ya gotta be better than Hoyer.
With Hoyer, this team scores 23 points per game and wins more than it loses. Against the Bungles, Hoyer starting, we score 24 and win. With Manziel starting we score 0 and lose.
So DON'T START THE FUCKING EXCUSE-MAKING-MACHINE WITH MANZIEL.
We can make the playoffs with THIS defense. We can make the playoffs with THIS offensive line. We can make the playoffs with THESE receivers. We need better quarterbacking. We needed better than Hoyer, and we got worse.
I am not going to make excuses for Manziel. It ain't happening. But if you want me to say nice things about him ... that will happen.
When he wins.
Zombo
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Perfectly stated Zombo....
and add that no matter how good something might taste, it's NEVER good when it's getting shoved down your throat....repeatedly....
and when you finally give in only to find out that it tastes like shit, then you gotta gag at least a little......it's normal
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Perfectly stated Zombo....
and add that no matter how good something might taste, it's NEVER good when it's getting shoved down your throat....repeatedly....
and when you finally give in only to find out that it tastes like shit, then you gotta gag at least a little......it's normal
Perfectly stated Zombo....
and add that no matter how good something might taste, it's NEVER good when it's getting shoved down your throat....repeatedly....
and when you finally give in only to find out that it tastes like shit, then you gotta gag at least a little......it's normal
Yes. Zombo has this correct. Give Manziel two more games. If he shows something and we win, fine. If not, time to find a Quarterback.
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You know who would also be a pretty smart qb...relative to his arm and athletic ability? Stephen hawking. And I don't want him leading our team either.
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Alright fucktard. If you're trying to ruffle feathers, kudos to you.Bernie Kosar....lmfao...he's a has been wannabe-a never was.
Doesn't he still own the record for consecutive passes without an INT?
I stopped reading after this comment.
Go shove a combine up your ass salad tosser. You seriously need to relieve the pressure.
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Numerous quarterbacks, including Troy Aikman, were shut out their first game. Who throws in the towel after one game? If that were the case they should fire West and Crowell every time they fumble.
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Numerous quarterbacks, including Troy Aikman, were shut out their first game. Who throws in the towel after one game? If that were the case they should fire West and Crowell every time they fumble.
Numerous quarterbacks, including Troy Aikman, were shut out their first game. Who throws in the towel after one game? If that were the case they should fire West and Crowell every time they fumble.
we'll see how he compares to those other QBs when every nfl show on tv compares their 'first 3 starts'.
how much he's at the bottom of the list?
manziel looked like the 'make a wish' kid on family guy.
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Numerous quarterbacks, including Troy Aikman, were shut out their first game. Who throws in the towel after one game? If that were the case they should fire West and Crowell every time they fumble.
Numerous quarterbacks, including Troy Aikman, were shut out their first game. Who throws in the towel after one game? If that were the case they should fire West and Crowell every time they fumble.
Jesus...again with the fucking Troy Aikman comparison. Aikman wasn't a midget who came from a stupid college system. I remember Aikmans first start...and you know what he did in that game, despite struggling the entire game, he also made some throws and plays that made you think, this dude is going to be good someday.
Point to one play that Manziel made on Sunday that made you go wow...he's going to be a player in this league.
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Numerous quarterbacks, including Troy Aikman, were shut out their first game. Who throws in the towel after one game? If that were the case they should fire West and Crowell every time they fumble.
Jesus...again with the fucking Troy Aikman comparison. Aikman wasn't a midget who came from a stupid college system. I remember Aikmans first start...and you know what he did in that game, despite struggling the entire game, he also made some throws and plays that made you think, this dude is going to be good someday.
Point to one play that Manziel made on Sunday that made you go wow...he's going to be a player in this league.
Jesus...again with the fucking Troy Aikman comparison. Aikman wasn't a midget who came from a stupid college system. I remember Aikmans first start...and you know what he did in that game, despite struggling the entire game, he also made some throws and plays that made you think, this dude is going to be good someday.Point to one play that Manziel made on Sunday that made you go wow...he's going to be a player in this league.
Lol. Troy Aikman.
6'4, rocket arm, right out of franchise QB central casting.
We have an elf that falls down if you grab a string on his jersey.
Z
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JF will almost certainly get a lot better his first full offseason as the starter. Going through preseason workouts, minicamp sessions, etc is going to help him a lot going into 2015
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JF will almost certainly get a lot better his first full offseason as the starter. Going through preseason workouts, minicamp sessions, etc is going to help him a lot going into 2015
JF will almost certainly get a lot better his first full offseason as the starter. Going through preseason workouts, minicamp sessions, etc is going to help him a lot going into 2015
What the fuck was he doing during preseason workouts, minicamp sessions, etc when it was an open competition for the starting QB job?
Try again Chachi...
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JF will almost certainly get a lot better his first full offseason as the starter. Going through preseason workouts, minicamp sessions, etc is going to help him a lot going into 2015
What the fuck was he doing during preseason workouts, minicamp sessions, etc when it was an open competition for the starting QB job?
Try again Chachi...
What the fuck was he doing during preseason workouts, minicamp sessions, etc when it was an open competition for the starting QB job?Try again Chachi...
Going throug all this stuff as a young player after you've had a taste of in game experience to build on is going to be a much more productive experience.
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What the fuck was he doing during preseason workouts, minicamp sessions, etc when it was an open competition for the starting QB job?Try again Chachi...
Going throug all this stuff as a young player after you've had a taste of in game experience to build on is going to be a much more productive experience.
Going throug all this stuff as a young player after you've had a taste of in game experience to build on is going to be a much more productive experience.
Didn't our Heisman Trophy winning QB have any in game experience in college? Maybe he was too busy fucking off during training camp instead of working at his job?
Funny how other young QB's step right in and look the part of NFL QB. Our midget QB gets 14 regular season weeks to prepare for his opportunity and graces us with 80 fucking yards passing.
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I haven't been over in the Minnesota, Jville, oakland forums, but do they trash their rookie starters after a very bad performance? Or do they understand it's a slow process and it's going to take lots of time? Patience people....
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I haven't been over in the Minnesota, Jville, oakland forums, but do they trash their rookie starters after a very bad performance? Or do they understand it's a slow process and it's going to take lots of time? Patience people....
I haven't been over in the Minnesota, Jville, oakland forums, but do they trash their rookie starters after a very bad performance? Or do they understand it's a slow process and it's going to take lots of time? Patience people....
I'm out of patience. I expect our first round draft choice QB to at least be able to hit 3 digits in passing yards in a game and I know this is asking a lot...but maybe even score some fucking points.
He looked like a lost little kid on the field which says to me two things. One he doesn't belong in the NFL or two...he has spent the better part of 5 months since he was drafted fucking around and not preparing for his job. Either way, I have ZERO patience for that. And you Johnny fanboy faggots who have been here all season telling us how much better the team would be if he was the starter certainly haven't helped his case with the fan base any.
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I haven't been over in the Minnesota, Jville, oakland forums, but do they trash their rookie starters after a very bad performance? Or do they understand it's a slow process and it's going to take lots of time? Patience people....
I'm out of patience. I expect our first round draft choice QB to at least be able to hit 3 digits in passing yards in a game and I know this is asking a lot...but maybe even score some fucking points.
He looked like a lost little kid on the field which says to me two things. One he doesn't belong in the NFL or two...he has spent the better part of 5 months since he was drafted fucking around and not preparing for his job. Either way, I have ZERO patience for that. And you Johnny fanboy faggots who have been here all season telling us how much better the team would be if he was the starter certainly haven't helped his case with the fan base any.
I'm out of patience. I expect our first round draft choice QB to at least be able to hit 3 digits in passing yards in a game and I know this is asking a lot...but maybe even score some fucking points.
He looked like a lost little kid on the field which says to me two things. One he doesn't belong in the NFL or two...he has spent the better part of 5 months since he was drafted fucking around and not preparing for his job. Either way, I have ZERO patience for that. And you Johnny fanboy faggots who have been here all season telling us how much better the team would be if he was the starter certainly haven't helped his case with the fan base any.
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
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But...will there be tacos?
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Of course in subsequent starts JF will score points and throw for over 100 yards. It's one game. If he lit it up Sunday you guys would be overreacting in the other direction. Just chill out and watch him progress over time.
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