JF has 200 more starts for the browns....
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The loser already admitted to John lynch he didn't prepare well enough. He's already physically behind the ball. Now mentally he's way behind too.
Duse reminds me of a midget jamarcus Russell, without the physical gifts. Lazy and doesbt have the smarts.
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I think this is ridiculous to be so short leashed with a rookie quarterback we were sucking the dick of 7 days ago.
The stereotype of browns fans is the impatience and delusion.
You guys want to draft another fucking quarterback? Instead of giving him another season? I would lose my mind if we did that.
i also want the Browns to win obviously.
In any fucking way they can. Let Manziel get time.
If they truly DONT want him there, that's a different story
Instead of giving him another season?
"Give" is an interesting word choice, however, the your application is dead wrong.
Rookies earn time through "giving" effort for which they also happen to be paid.
Three starts have fallen to Johnny. He'll have to earn any beyond that.
The loser already admitted to John lynch he didn't prepare well enough. He's already physically behind the ball. Now mentally he's way behind too.
Duse reminds me of a midget jamarcus Russell, without the physical gifts. Lazy and doesbt have the smarts.
Bit premature at best...
The Lynch comments are open to interpretation.
The smarts seem to be there; it's their application that is wanting.
Johnny had success doing things his way for 2 years at A&M and 2 before that in HS. Sunday... not so much. It's his reaction to last Sunday, the next two and this off-season that will determine his immediate future.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Instead of giving him another season?
"Give" is an interesting word choice, however, the your application is dead wrong.
Rookies earn time through "giving" effort for which they also happen to be paid.
Three starts have fallen to Johnny. He'll have to earn any beyond that.
The loser already admitted to John lynch he didn't prepare well enough. He's already physically behind the ball. Now mentally he's way behind too.
Duse reminds me of a midget jamarcus Russell, without the physical gifts. Lazy and doesbt have the smarts.
Bit premature at best...
The Lynch comments are open to interpretation.
The smarts seem to be there; it's their application that is wanting.
Johnny had success doing things his way for 2 years at A&M and 2 before that in HS. Sunday... not so much. It's his reaction to last Sunday, the next two and this off-season that will determine his immediate future.
"Give" is an interesting word choice, however, the your application is dead wrong.
Rookies earn time through "giving" effort for which they also happen to be paid.
Three starts have fallen to Johnny. He'll have to earn any beyond that.
Bit premature at best...
The Lynch comments are open to interpretation.
The smarts seem to be there; it's their application that is wanting.
Johnny had success doing things his way for 2 years at A&M and 2 before that in HS. Sunday... not so much. It's his reaction to last Sunday, the next two and this off-season that will determine his immediate future.
comments along the lines of he's not preparing like manning or preping as hard as he could really aren't that subjective.
Premature? Yes, but i've been known to be premature about a lot of things (just ask the ladies... ok that was lame). Accurate? After one game.. Yes! Who knows after two or three or ten. I really don't care, just want to win. And i'd prefer to win without a snot nosed kid who brings a legion of mentally challenged fans.
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Jesus...again with the fucking Troy Aikman comparison. Aikman wasn't a midget who came from a stupid college system. I remember Aikmans first start...and you know what he did in that game, despite struggling the entire game, he also made some throws and plays that made you think, this dude is going to be good someday.Point to one play that Manziel made on Sunday that made you go wow...he's going to be a player in this league.
Lol. Troy Aikman.
6'4, rocket arm, right out of franchise QB central casting.
We have an elf that falls down if you grab a string on his jersey.
Z
Zombo said:
Lol. Troy Aikman.
6'4, rocket arm, right out of franchise QB central casting.
We have an elf that falls down if you grab a string on his jersey.
Z
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I think this is ridiculous to be so short leashed with a rookie quarterback we were sucking the dick of 7 days ago.
The stereotype of browns fans is the impatience and delusion.
You guys want to draft another fucking quarterback? Instead of giving him another season? I would lose my mind if we did that.
i also want the Browns to win obviously.
In any fucking way they can. Let Manziel get time.
If they truly DONT want him there, that's a different story
I think this is ridiculous to be so short leashed with a rookie quarterback we were sucking the dick of 7 days ago.
The stereotype of browns fans is the impatience and delusion.
You guys want to draft another fucking quarterback? Instead of giving him another season? I would lose my mind if we did that.
i also want the Browns to win obviously.
In any fucking way they can. Let Manziel get time.
If they truly DONT want him there, that's a different story
Nothing wrong with cutting your losses early and have a backup plan.
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I think this is ridiculous to be so short leashed with a rookie quarterback we were sucking the dick of 7 days ago.
The stereotype of browns fans is the impatience and delusion.
You guys want to draft another fucking quarterback? Instead of giving him another season? I would lose my mind if we did that.
i also want the Browns to win obviously.
In any fucking way they can. Let Manziel get time.
If they truly DONT want him there, that's a different story
I think this is ridiculous to be so short leashed with a rookie quarterback we were sucking the dick of 7 days ago.
The stereotype of browns fans is the impatience and delusion.
You guys want to draft another fucking quarterback? Instead of giving him another season? I would lose my mind if we did that.
i also want the Browns to win obviously.
In any fucking way they can. Let Manziel get time.
If they truly DONT want him there, that's a different story
Maybe you, not I. I had a great little text I sent to a friend before the game. "Ready for the blood bath?" and I didn't mean it in a positive way for the Browns.
No, I don't want to draft another QB in the first 3-4 rounds. I'd like to build the team and walk into the off-season with the QB's we have. Let them decide who will
be the starter through competition. Not really as hard as it sounds.
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"Give" is an interesting word choice, however, the your application is dead wrong.
Rookies earn time through "giving" effort for which they also happen to be paid.
Three starts have fallen to Johnny. He'll have to earn any beyond that.
Bit premature at best...
The Lynch comments are open to interpretation.
The smarts seem to be there; it's their application that is wanting.
Johnny had success doing things his way for 2 years at A&M and 2 before that in HS. Sunday... not so much. It's his reaction to last Sunday, the next two and this off-season that will determine his immediate future.
comments along the lines of he's not preparing like manning or preping as hard as he could really aren't that subjective.
Premature? Yes, but i've been known to be premature about a lot of things (just ask the ladies... ok that was lame). Accurate? After one game.. Yes! Who knows after two or three or ten. I really don't care, just want to win. And i'd prefer to win without a snot nosed kid who brings a legion of mentally challenged fans.
comments along the lines of he's not preparing like manning or preping as hard as he could really aren't that subjective.
You're correct. My original comment was imprecise.
I meant my comment to reflect that the quote Lynch's attributes to JM is open for interpretation. That quote is the linchpin (pun not intended) of the Lunch's entire commentary. The rest is all anonymous sources stuff.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I think this is ridiculous to be so short leashed with a rookie quarterback we were sucking the dick of 7 days ago.
The stereotype of browns fans is the impatience and delusion.
You guys want to draft another fucking quarterback? Instead of giving him another season? I would lose my mind if we did that.
i also want the Browns to win obviously.
In any fucking way they can. Let Manziel get time.
If they truly DONT want him there, that's a different story
Nothing wrong with cutting your losses early and have a backup plan.
Nothing wrong with cutting your losses early and have a backup plan.
JFF gonna kick ass this Sunday.
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comments along the lines of he's not preparing like manning or preping as hard as he could really aren't that subjective.
You're correct. My original comment was imprecise.
I meant my comment to reflect that the quote Lynch's attributes to JM is open for interpretation. That quote is the linchpin (pun not intended) of the Lunch's entire commentary. The rest is all anonymous sources stuff.
You're correct. My original comment was imprecise.
I meant my comment to reflect that the quote Lynch's attributes to JM is open for interpretation. That quote is the linchpin (pun not intended) of the entire comment.
Ahhh I see. Thanks for the clarification.
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^^Anyone could see this controversy coming a mile away the minute he was drafted. I will always view it as a mistake. Of course, I was also of the belief that his skill set was not conducive to being an nfl QB. add that to his immaturity issues and his celebrity status and its at least a 90% chance for his utter failure. I guess we will be forced to see. I predict it won't be pretty.
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@junkyard-dawg said:
Yep. Instead of giving Hoyer his well earned shot we let the Media sway us......
I admit I allowed myself to get swayed and all caught up in the excitement.
But the self loathing has been implemented and is in full swing right now. I will work it out.
But for the Manziel lovers, let's be honest....the playoffs are gone so, for me, this weeks game has nothing of much interest EXCEPT for how JFF does....
Next 2 weeks are gonna be owned by the Central Scrutinizer....the white zone is for loading and unloading only.....
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@junkyard-dawg said:
Yep. Instead of giving Hoyer his well earned shot we let the Media sway us, or rather Haslam did and jumped on grabbing Frodo. Now here we are. Bottomline: Hoyer earned, not deserved he fucking EARNED the 2014 Season. Not competing for the spot, not as a lame duck placeholder, not with a 1st rd bust in waiting behind him with one foot out the door. He earned an entire season of no distractions and the ability to grow and improve his play. Instead here we are yet again.
Had to pick a qb, I wish it wasn't JF but we needed one.
Hoyer did earn the job though, sorta. He played a little better than johnny in pre season, but he still sucked. He played very well early in the season and then unearned the job with his shit play. He played worse and worse game after game. When there is a 1st rd draft pick waiting in the wings, JF or not, media and fans will clamor for him if the qb play gets shitty enough.
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Who is making excuses for JF? I think everyone agrees he didn't play well Sunday. The difference is some are keeping it in perspective(that it was just one start and 18 throws) and others act like one start proves he will be a bum.
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Wasn't there some rumblings (before we drafted Johnny) that our FO's favorite QB was Mariota and we may not take one at all last year?
I don't like Mariota a whole lot, definitely not enough to make a big trade - I wonder if the FO is still high on him though.
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All this hoyer talk is hilarious. JF may or may not turn out to be a very good qb(we are 5 percent or so towards knowing), but regardless of what happens with JF hoyer is a complete non entity that isn't even worth discussing. He's an older backup journeyman. That's what he is. Having discussions about him as if he is anything but is absurd. Being the older backup journeyman he is, he played almost a season and was towards the bottom of the league(as expected) in most metrics....not his fault, because that's just what he is. So in terms of how hoyer should be viewed, it really doesn't matter if one believes manziel is the next Montana or the next Patrick Ramsey.
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JFFOREVER said:
Smh at this thread. It takes one bad game with the odds stacked against him and the fair-weather fans jump off the bandwagon of their first round rookie, and the most electrifying player in enter the league in years. If johnnys not gonna get those 200 starts n Cleveland, then he will someplace else. And a lot of those will be from the postseason and pro-bowl....
Do us a favor and shake that fucking head until it comes clean off...
Odds stacked against...
Fair-weather fans...
Can't jump off what you've never been on, pixie-stik...
Go Browns...
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All this hoyer talk is hilarious. JF may or may not turn out to be a very good qb(we are 5 percent or so towards knowing), but regardless of what happens with JF hoyer is a complete non entity that isn't even worth discussing. He's an older backup journeyman. That's what he is. Having discussions about him as if he is anything but is absurd. Being the older backup journeyman he is, he played almost a season and was towards the bottom of the league(as expected) in most metrics....not his fault, because that's just what he is. So in terms of how hoyer should be viewed, it really doesn't matter if one believes manziel is the next Montana or the next Patrick Ramsey.
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All this hoyer talk is hilarious. JF may or may not turn out to be a very good qb(we are 5 percent or so towards knowing), but regardless of what happens with JF hoyer is a complete non entity that isn't even worth discussing. He's an older backup journeyman. That's what he is. Having discussions about him as if he is anything but is absurd. Being the older backup journeyman he is, he played almost a season and was towards the bottom of the league(as expected) in most metrics....not his fault, because that's just what he is. So in terms of how hoyer should be viewed, it really doesn't matter if one believes manziel is the next Montana or the next Patrick Ramsey.
All this hoyer talk is hilarious. JF may or may not turn out to be a very good qb(we are 5 percent or so towards knowing), but regardless of what happens with JF hoyer is a complete non entity that isn't even worth discussing. He's an older backup journeyman. That's what he is. Having discussions about him as if he is anything but is absurd. Being the older backup journeyman he is, he played almost a season and was towards the bottom of the league(as expected) in most metrics....not his fault, because that's just what he is. So in terms of how hoyer should be viewed, it really doesn't matter if one believes manziel is the next Montana or the next Patrick Ramsey.
Hoyer was 7-6 as a starter. That's the ONLY stat that matters.
I know the so-called "metrics" say he sucked, but the so-called "metrics" don't win games
Even when the Browns were 7-4, Hoyer's "metrics" sucked, but we were the talk of the NFL
"And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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