What QB Stats (if any) Translate College Success into NFL Success?
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Never met a stat I couldn't twist.....or an argument that I couldn't find a stat to support.....so........
I dont think there IS a stat that translates college to NFL. Otherwise EVERYONE would know what that stat is and it would be the standard....right?
Nope...it's the whole package that has to be evaluate.....
Stats: Ok....its a starting point at least. But so many things have to be accounted for from the system, to competition, to team talent, to coaching style, etc....
Tangibles....body type, size, release speed, footwork, etc are all things for the eye test....
Intangibles....work ethic, coachability, maturity, resilience, will to win, etc....this stuff is a crap shoot, but very very important..
So, I say, it's everything and no collection of stats is gonna guarantee anything.....
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^^ Nailed it. There is no quantitative stat that defines a QB. They are, all of them, symbiotic.
If I had to come up with a stat, release time and average time from snap to throw would be up there. I feel this would indicate not only a quality NFL quick release but also
decisive decision making. However those can be skewed with bubble screens, slants and quick outs.
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No stats in my estimation, comparing apples to oranges. I would tend to look at a "prototype" . Size arm strength and agility I think obviously fits that bill. Most importantly is what's between the ears academically and socially . Does the kid have analytical skills and good study habits . Can he relate to others socially. What type personality is he A or B and which am I looking for to fit in . Does he have a juvenile police record . Sounds like Dr. Frankenstein I know but before I would invest potentially millions of dollars in this guy I want to have an informed idea of what I'm getting other than stats and physical attributes.
GO BROWNS !
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Here's what you look for:
Dan Marino's release,
John Elway's arm,
Steve Young's legs
Peyton Manning's brain
and Joe Montana's cool
PROBLEM SOLVED
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You only mentioned the great good or undecideds. There's got to be some turds in the upper echelon.
WSS
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You only mentioned the great good or undecideds. There's got to be some turds in the upper echelon.
WSS
You only mentioned the great good or undecideds. There's got to be some turds in the upper echelon.
WSS
Yep...lots of turds....here is a selection of ist round picks from just the last 10 years.....all 1st rounders.....
Manuel
RGIII
Weeden
Locker
Gabbert
Ponder
Bradford
Tebow
Sanchez
Freeman
J. Russell
Quinn
V. Young
Leinert
Cutler
Campbell
Losman
So....in 10 years, a total of 31 QB's have been picked 1st round.....and the 17 listed above have been less than good so far.....
Which means there are still 14 out there who either are playing well....or still unproven(including this years class of 3).....
And I guess the only point is that these guys all had SOMETHING the experts liked from college....they were the best of the best and most had great college stats....or the perfect skill set....or the best body type....but still fell short at a rate greater than 50%
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^Love him or hate him, Jay Cutler isn't a 1st round dud.
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Just like hardcore porn .....you know it when you see it!
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^Love him or hate him, Jay Cutler isn't a 1st round dud.
^Love him or hate him, Jay Cutler isn't a 1st round dud.
Ok, whatever....He's great then!....the best!
Now, lets see if Chicago thinks so, because right now he's on the bench.....
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Cutler is average at best He has talent but he isn't a very good QB.
He's been in the league 9 years and made the playoffs 1 time. He's made the pro bowl 1 time also. He's only had 1 4000 yard season too. His 61-55 record is about average.
He does have a boat load of cash and a hot wife though
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Cutler is average at best He has talent but he isn't a very good QB.
He's been in the league 9 years and made the playoffs 1 time. He's made the pro bowl 1 time also. He's only had 1 4000 yard season too. His 61-55 record is about average.
He does have a boat load of cash and a hot wife though
Cutler is average at best He has talent but he isn't a very good QB.
He's been in the league 9 years and made the playoffs 1 time. He's made the pro bowl 1 time also. He's only had 1 4000 yard season too. His 61-55 record is about average.
He does have a boat load of cash and a hot wife though
Relative to some of those guys on that list, he's definitely not a dud. Weeden is a dud. Tebow was a dud. Big difference.
Ok, whatever....He's great then!....the best!
Now, lets see if Chicago thinks so, because right now he's on the bench.....
Simmer down.
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Cutler is average at best He has talent but he isn't a very good QB.
He's been in the league 9 years and made the playoffs 1 time. He's made the pro bowl 1 time also. He's only had 1 4000 yard season too. His 61-55 record is about average.
He does have a boat load of cash and a hot wife though
Relative to some of those guys on that list, he's definitely not a dud. Weeden is a dud. Tebow was a dud. Big difference.
Ok, whatever....He's great then!....the best!
Now, lets see if Chicago thinks so, because right now he's on the bench.....
Simmer down.
Relative to some of those guys on that list, he's definitely not a dud. Weeden is a dud. Tebow was a dud. Big difference.
Simmer down.
I didn't say dud, but he's not good either
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Cutler is average at best He has talent but he isn't a very good QB.
He's been in the league 9 years and made the playoffs 1 time. He's made the pro bowl 1 time also. He's only had 1 4000 yard season too. His 61-55 record is about average.
He does have a boat load of cash and a hot wife though
Relative to some of those guys on that list, he's definitely not a dud. Weeden is a dud. Tebow was a dud. Big difference.
Ok, whatever....He's great then!....the best!
Now, lets see if Chicago thinks so, because right now he's on the bench.....
Simmer down.
Simmer down.
Simmering just fine....still think he's a dud
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You only mentioned the great good or undecideds. There's got to be some turds in the upper echelon.
WSS
You only mentioned the great good or undecideds. There's got to be some turds in the upper echelon.
Plenty... as well as a whole lotta "Who?"
Pick a link any link... or I could read and record the entire list, e-mail it to you...
You lazy fuck...
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Cutler is average at best He has talent but he isn't a very good QB.
He's been in the league 9 years and made the playoffs 1 time. He's made the pro bowl 1 time also. He's only had 1 4000 yard season too. His 61-55 record is about average.
He does have a boat load of cash and a hot wife though
Relative to some of those guys on that list, he's definitely not a dud. Weeden is a dud. Tebow was a dud. Big difference.
Ok, whatever....He's great then!....the best!
Now, lets see if Chicago thinks so, because right now he's on the bench.....
Simmer down.
Relative to some of those guys on that list, he's definitely not a dud. Weeden is a dud. Tebow was a dud. Big difference.
Agree... Cutler's no dud. He's a "couldabeen"... in the end they are even more destructive.
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Rule #1: Must not run the spread option. Eliminate all QBs who ran spread option in college, including Marcus Mariota (who will suck in the NFL). The spread option has fucked up all these stat comparisions.
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You only mentioned the great good or undecideds. There's got to be some turds in the upper echelon.
Plenty... as well as a whole lotta "Who?"
Pick a link any link... or I could read and record the entire list, e-mail it to you...
You lazy fuck...
Plenty... as well as a whole lotta "Who?"
Pick a link any link... or I could read and record the entire list, e-mail it to you...
You lazy fuck...
Oh since there are only a few listed I assumed the rest sucked or didn't count.
I'd try to cobble together a point from that, but as you say...
WSS
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NFL wins.
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Rule #1: Must not run the spread option. Eliminate all QBs who ran spread option in college, including Marcus Mariota (who will suck in the NFL). The spread option has fucked up all these stat comparisions.
Rule #1: Must not run the spread option. Eliminate all QBs who ran spread option in college, including Marcus Mariota (who will suck in the NFL). The spread option has fucked up all these stat comparisions.
((()))) Love ya Beavers. Try not to gloat too much if DA wins the game today.
Our pal Shep said one of the best predictors is # of games played in college. No it isn't. Sure, you have guys like the Mannings and Rotlisberger- but there's a bunch of NFL bums who were 4 year starters- like Colt McCoy- or worse- who never did jack in the pros.
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I agree the spread offense is hurting the college QB's chances of making it in the NFL. NFL QB's need to win from the pocket by reading defenses and making the correct throw. The spread doesn't help those skills.
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