John Football Excuses Forum....
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I'll start by saying I for one, and I suspect very many more, thought it was a mistake to draft Manziel but we did. As for the money sign, the thing that pisses me off about that as apposed to the barking dawgs or the terrible towel is that the latter is team oriented rather than individually self serving. People spend their hard earned money to watch these guys play. When Manziels name was called he would have been better received had he flashed a "V" for victory or let out a "woof" or two. What he demonstrated was "I'm here for the money" It didn't sit well with me as I'm sure others. But I'm not too upset about it because if he keeps up this sideshow routine his next sign will read EXIT.
BO BROWNS !
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If Manziel does bad this week, I'd trade him while there is still a shred of stock left on him. I know he wasn't the only problem Sunday, but I really don't see him succeeding in this league. I knew it before, but thought this time would be different. Pocket passer first, scrambler second. Playbook first, bail second. He chooses to scrap the play entirely if he sees a little hole, & if he doesn't see that whole, he holds onto the ball too long. Even if scrambling does work a little, it doesn't last in the NFL. Not worried about Cincy. In game one, they relied on Mr Mediocrity (Dalton) which, against our secondary is a bad idea. Last Sunday, their game plan was run it. Which is the Brown's Achilles heal. They adjusted properly, that's it. They'll lose in the playoffs for sure. My point, our secondary, & receivers will only get better, & next year with Mack back, the draft, & the fact that this team won't have a bunch of rookies or a newly assembled staff, our O & D lines should improve to an impressive level. Back to Johnny........ Trade him. Get a humble QB with NFL experience who can perform the job at a reasonable level.That's it... reasonable. Don't go for the home run. Even if it was a home run, Cleveland would find a way to foul it off. Don't get the hype man with zero NFL experience & call him the future. They did that before & it was a similar disaster. Pettine said himself that this results based league. So why put it on a guy who has yielded no results. If they ride Manziel out, they will waste the last shred of his worth until he is untrade-able. Build a great team around an experienced, modest, yet capable QB & it will work. A guy who can work the system, study the game & the up coming opponent, & execute the game plan they cone up with. Manning can do this by himself. Brady can do it with the cheater guiding him. Not saying they have to be as good as those guys, but someone who works like a computer program. Program him & he'll execute. Hoyer was ALMOST perfect for that gig, but his down fall was the inability to adjust when the game plan broke down. Manziel was supposed to be better at that, but when you can't execute the game plan, & move right to improvise mode with crappy results, there's nowhere to run. (no pun intended). two words... (Trent Richardson). didn't take long to realize he was barely getting more than a yard or 2 every touch.
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Oh well there are dozens of players in the NFL that have a little celebration thing they do. They don't bother me. If they bother you guys oh well.
But the fact that East Cleveland is the closest thing we have to a third world shit hole has got jack shit to do with it.
By the way nobody complained about the victory dance Brian Hoyer did after he got a touchdown right? Oh yeah......
nevermind.
WSS
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when you hit the doors this morn at church they must be opening by themselves singing the praise of the good book and the paddy graces.
stick up for your player if you want. we all do it.
when he shites the bed just live it, she said, "stirring chicken soup...and a bang on the ear."
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Johnny Football.... loved and hated for all the same reasons.....
Pretty much sums it up in one line, doesn't it?
Oh well there are dozens of players in the NFL that have a little celebration thing they do. They don't bother me. If they bother you guys oh well.
By the way nobody complained about the victory dance Brian Hoyer did after he got a touchdown right? Oh yeah......
First, have to be more charitable than that to sustain your Sainthood...
Second, some "celebrations" grate more than others.
The more egocentric the celebration, the more it grates me. The double thumb point to the name atop the back of the jersey is probably the most egregious in my book. The money sign is up there though.
Others like TY Hilton's "rock the baby" was cool as hell given his circumstance and that it may not be seen from him again... at least not for another 10 months anyway.
Then others are "fun". Been a while given the rule changes, but T.O. for as big an ass as he was had some of the best... not the sharpie one as much as the popcorn, the pompom and other simpler ones.
I guess the determining factor is the ratio of "look-at-me" to "damn-I'm-happy/let-me-entertain-you".
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Oh I understand about the charitable thing as to my sainthood. I just had to make the joke.
You understand.
And it is absolutely no different from any other players victory celebration.
Remember Lee Trevino with the golf club sword bit whenever he hit a great shot?
WSS
Edit I never have and never will talk shit about Brian Hoyer the way many of these guys do about Johnny.
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Johnny Football.... loved and hated for all the same reasons.....
Pretty much sums it up in one line, doesn't it?
Oh well there are dozens of players in the NFL that have a little celebration thing they do. They don't bother me. If they bother you guys oh well.
By the way nobody complained about the victory dance Brian Hoyer did after he got a touchdown right? Oh yeah......
First, have to be more charitable than that to sustain your Sainthood...
Second, some "celebrations" grate more than others.
The more egocentric the celebration, the more it grates me. The double thumb point to the name atop the back of the jersey is probably the most egregious in my book. The money sign is up there though.
Others like TY Hilton's "rock the baby" was cool as hell given his circumstance and that it may not be seen from him again... at least not for another 10 months anyway.
Then others are "fun". Been a while given the rule changes, but T.O. for as big an ass as he was had some of the best... not the sharpie one as much as the popcorn, the pompom and other simpler ones.
I guess the determining factor is the ratio of "look-at-me" to "damn-I'm-happy/let-me-entertain-you".
I guess the determining factor is the ratio of "look-at-me" to "damn-I'm-happy/let-me-entertain-you".
Thats it for me.....there are team oriented celebrations and "me" celebrations.....
Using the terrible towel and Dawg pound comparisons put forth earlier.....I would say those are both team & fan generated things.....the fans wave towels, not the players and the fans bark(now), not the players.....
Taking it one further, JFF says the $ sign was a team thing they all started doing together at A&M. Yet, it followed Johnny to Cleveland and didnt stay at A & M with the fans or other players....
Conversely, the Terrible Towel will always be in Pittsburg and if Hanford had left Cleveland, I guarantee they'd still be barking n Cleveland and Hanford wouldn't be barking in his new city.....just a hunch
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But Mud one of the things these guys are bitching about it is that it pisses off the opposition. Do you think the Steelers love the sound of the dog pound? Browns fans cheer at the sight of those fucking yellow rags?
And the dog thing is a tradition started by Hanford and Minny and continues today. I wouldn't mind seeing the money sign stay in Cleveland after johnny has won a couple Super Bowls and retired.
WSS
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"Show ME the money" screams it's all about me. As much as I hate those snot rags, those are about the fans. The barking is about the fans. The Lambeau leap is about celebrating with the fans. As much as I respect Aaron Rodgers, IMO, he should not do his belt celebration. But Aaron has EARNED that right on the pro level. JFF doing that when he got drafted was about as inappropriate as it gets, IMO.
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"These guys" are quoting Bengal players...
Youse guy is saying what he thinks is right... waste of Sainthood.
And the Terrible Towels are just piss-stained, Dolphin hankies... the original, waveable fan-cloths.
"These guys" are quoting Bengal players...
Youse guy is saying what he thinks is right... waste of Sainthood.
And the Terrible Towels are just piss-stained, Dolphin hankies... the original, waveable fan-cloths.
Ok have it your way. The beating in Cincinnati meant nothing to the Bengals and they probably would have laid down had it not been for the money sign. You win.
WSS
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c'mon steve's right.
bengals didn't kick our ass because of the money sign.
but if not for the JF money sign there would be no money sign. get it?
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But Mud one of the things these guys are bitching about it is that it pisses off the opposition. Do you think the Steelers love the sound of the dog pound? Browns fans cheer at the sight of those fucking yellow rags?
And the dog thing is a tradition started by Hanford and Minny and continues today. I wouldn't mind seeing the money sign stay in Cleveland after johnny has won a couple Super Bowls and retired.
WSS
But Mud one of the things these guys are bitching about it is that it pisses off the opposition. Do you think the Steelers love the sound of the dog pound? Browns fans cheer at the sight of those fucking yellow rags?
And the dog thing is a tradition started by Hanford and Minny and continues today. I wouldn't mind seeing the money sign stay in Cleveland after johnny has won a couple Super Bowls and retired.
WSS
I get it and think celebration and team things are fine...barking, toweling, leaping and getting excited is all great stuff. I think the only place we differ is the individual vs team thing....me vs we....etc....
Like you said about the money sign "staying" in Cleveland....I would ask why it didnt stay in Texas?...or if his teammates here will adopt it as a Browns thing...because if they dont, it pretty much squares up what Ive been saying....
BUT, I will give in and say that... if Johnny starts scoring and his teammates start doing it....Im all in!
And the Terrible Towels are just piss-stained, Dolphin hankies... the original, waveable fan-cloths.
They're the dumbest thing ever.....never got it myself
Aaron has EARNED that right on the pro level
Coming from an accomplished player makes it at least a little tolerable....
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so i just saw the A promo loop of the qbs when their game is mentioned. we all know it's done in front of a blue screen. and of course they put the subjects in the best light both literally and subjectively.
the forever move is to have the subject go from looking down to looking up into the camera lens. then it became a whole scene.
anyways, cam's was him doing a running/heisman trophy stance type thing and manziel's was just him doing the money sign.
weep wop.
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Let's revisit the start of the discussion shall we? In response to another member Saint Steve posted:
The money sign is absolutely meaningless. Get over it. WSS
To which I replied:Disagree... I think it's symptomatic of a lot of things, but can set that aside.
What cannot be set aside is the its impact on opponents. Bengals D talked about how the spector of that "meaningless" gesture pumped them up. That they did not want to see it and their play was driven by their desire to not see it.
It's permanent bulletin board material... even if there's nothing new to fuel the fire, there's "the money sign" to fall back upon.And then...
Oh horse shit. You take it seriously because you don't like the kid. What pumped the Bengals up is the fact that we fuck them in the ass in their own house.
It also cost the Cincinnati morons at least one penalty. WSSSo the only absolute position in the "discussion" belonged to The Saint.
The only attempt to label motivation for a position was by The Saint.Steve, it was two divergent opinions.
All I ever said was that I disagree with yours.
There is no winning such a discussion, but, as you showed, you can lose it.
Go Browns...
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Quote from CBS sports: The biggest surprise of all, though? The Browns are the THIRD best-selling team. In the NFL. Out of all the teams!
Yesterday, while Christmas shopping here in Houston, I saw Browns Throw blankets, Tervis mugs, jerseys, coffee cups and an assortment of other shit in stores like Bed Bath and Beyond, Academy, Sports Authority, places where I had never seen items before.
South Texas thinks the Browns are a bunch of losers, but who could blame them. The Texans are 5 and 3 against the Browns with their last loss in 2007. The Texans have been to the playoffs twice since then beating Cincy both times in the first round. To have all that gear in the stores is only due to Johnny. Texas folks love their football and are very knowledgeable and they know Johnny can play. Too bad we have a screw up at OC who rode along on his dad's and Kubiac's coattails.
We will see in a few minutes if he can play - Oh wait, the wife pulled the Sunday ticket so I guess I won't see and the Texans are at home.
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Quote from CBS sports: The biggest surprise of all, though? The Browns are the THIRD best-selling team. In the NFL. Out of all the teams!
Yesterday, while Christmas shopping here in Houston, I saw Browns Throw blankets, Tervis mugs, jerseys, coffee cups and an assortment of other shit in stores like Bed Bath and Beyond, Academy, Sports Authority, places where I had never seen items before.
South Texas thinks the Browns are a bunch of losers, but who could blame them. The Texans are 5 and 3 against the Browns with their last loss in 2007. The Texans have been to the playoffs twice since then beating Cincy both times in the first round. To have all that gear in the stores is only due to Johnny. Texas folks love their football and are very knowledgeable and they know Johnny can play. Too bad we have a screw up at OC who rode along on his dad's and Kubiac's coattails.
We will see in a few minutes if he can play - Oh wait, the wife pulled the Sunday ticket so I guess I won't see and the Texans are at home.
Quote from CBS sports: The biggest surprise of all, though? The Browns are the THIRD best-selling team. In the NFL. Out of all the teams!
Yesterday, while Christmas shopping here in Houston, I saw Browns Throw blankets, Tervis mugs, jerseys, coffee cups and an assortment of other shit in stores like Bed Bath and Beyond, Academy, Sports Authority, places where I had never seen items before.
South Texas thinks the Browns are a bunch of losers, but who could blame them. The Texans are 5 and 3 against the Browns with their last loss in 2007. The Texans have been to the playoffs twice since then beating Cincy both times in the first round. To have all that gear in the stores is only due to Johnny. Texas folks love their football and are very knowledgeable and they know Johnny can play. Too bad we have a screw up at OC who rode along on his dad's and Kubiac's coattails.
We will see in a few minutes if he can play - Oh wait, the wife pulled the Sunday ticket so I guess I won't see and the Texans are at home.
The browns have a big traveling fan base. Not all that surprising.
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You are Retarded...@everlastingxxx said:
This might be good for Manziel. Imagine if he came in and lit it up right away? Look at RG3. He came in, was great and was given the key to the city. Look at him now, complete mess. Look at Kap, he looks horrible after looking so great last season. Might be good for Manziel to shit down his leg these final games. Realize that he has to stop the parting, mature and work his ass off in the off season.
This is the NFL. He is who we think he is.
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And now the Diva got injured... Welcome to the NFL Johnny Failure.
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