John Football Excuses Forum....
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No, because in the NFL you don't draft a QB with the 22nd pick and give them 3 career starts. They'll want to see how he progresses through mini-camps, training camp and the preseason. Then when he's 2-6 with flashes of mediocrity and pretty much horrible play, they'll move on.
Really, are you in the team brass meetings?
You can bet your ass there will be a veteran in training camp and Johnny will not be presumed anything.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Really, are you in the team brass meetings?
You can bet your ass there will be a veteran in training camp and Johnny will not be presumed anything.
Zombo
That's the reality of the NFL. Geno Smith and EJ Manual are both horrible but based on their draft status they keep getting opportunities. No true veteran worth anything is going to come in and "compete" with Manziel.
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Zombo said:
Really, are you in the team brass meetings?
You can bet your ass there will be a veteran in training camp and Johnny will not be presumed anything.
Zombo
That's the reality of the NFL. Geno Smith and EJ Manual are both horrible but based on their draft status they keep getting opportunities. No true veteran worth anything is going to come in and "compete" with Manziel.
That's the reality of the NFL. Geno Smith and EJ Manual are both horrible but based on their draft status they keep getting opportunities. No true veteran worth anything is going to come in and "compete" with Manziel.
and both their teams signs veterans and then pulled them to play the veterans....they surely didn't "get the season to prove themselves", so to speak....
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Zombo said:
Really, are you in the team brass meetings?
You can bet your ass there will be a veteran in training camp and Johnny will not be presumed anything.
Zombo
That's the reality of the NFL. Geno Smith and EJ Manual are both horrible but based on their draft status they keep getting opportunities. No true veteran worth anything is going to come in and "compete" with Manziel.
That's the reality of the NFL. Geno Smith and EJ Manual are both horrible but based on their draft status they keep getting opportunities. No true veteran worth anything is going to come in and "compete" with Manziel.
Every veteran without a #1 job will lick their chops at Cleveland.
Manziel will not be handed anything.
Let's just hope he feels "100%" when the competition starts, or maybe he'll just concede it.
Zombo
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That's the reality of the NFL. Geno Smith and EJ Manual are both horrible but based on their draft status they keep getting opportunities. No true veteran worth anything is going to come in and "compete" with Manziel.
and both their teams signs veterans and then pulled them to play the veterans....they surely didn't "get the season to prove themselves", so to speak....
and both their teams signs veterans and then pulled them to play the veterans....they surely didn't "get the season to prove themselves", so to speak....
Kyle Orton and Michael Vick, they are going nowhere fast.
Geno Smith started 27 games in 2 years 10-17
EJ Manuel started 14 games in 2 years 6-8
I applaud the Bills for realizing 10 games last year and 4 this year were enough with EJ but make no mistake 3 games won't be enough for Manziel
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That's the reality of the NFL. Geno Smith and EJ Manual are both horrible but based on their draft status they keep getting opportunities. No true veteran worth anything is going to come in and "compete" with Manziel.
Every veteran without a #1 job will lick their chops at Cleveland.
Manziel will not be handed anything.
Let's just hope he feels "100%" when the competition starts, or maybe he'll just concede it.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Every veteran without a #1 job will lick their chops at Cleveland.
Manziel will not be handed anything.
Let's just hope he feels "100%" when the competition starts, or maybe he'll just concede it.
Zombo
Like Christian Ponder or Jake Locker?
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Zombo said:
Every veteran without a #1 job will lick their chops at Cleveland.
Manziel will not be handed anything.
Let's just hope he feels "100%" when the competition starts, or maybe he'll just concede it.
Zombo
Like Christian Ponder or Jake Locker?
Like Christian Ponder or Jake Locker?
What about them? Did they score three points in six quarters as a starter, then strain their vagina, go to the sidelines, and then get handed the job the next year?
Zombo
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So much can change in 2 weeks that's for sure.
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Let's revisit the start of the discussion shall we? In response to another member Saint Steve posted:
The money sign is absolutely meaningless. Get over it. WSS
To which I replied:Disagree... I think it's symptomatic of a lot of things, but can set that aside.
What cannot be set aside is the its impact on opponents. Bengals D talked about how the spector of that "meaningless" gesture pumped them up. That they did not want to see it and their play was driven by their desire to not see it.
It's permanent bulletin board material... even if there's nothing new to fuel the fire, there's "the money sign" to fall back upon.And then...
Oh horse shit. You take it seriously because you don't like the kid. What pumped the Bengals up is the fact that we fuck them in the ass in their own house.
It also cost the Cincinnati morons at least one penalty. WSSSo the only absolute position in the "discussion" belonged to The Saint.
The only attempt to label motivation for a position was by The Saint.Steve, it was two divergent opinions.
All I ever said was that I disagree with yours.
There is no winning such a discussion, but, as you showed, you can lose it.
Go Browns...
Let's revisit the start of the discussion shall we? In response to another member Saint Steve posted:
To which I replied:
And then...
So the only absolute position in the "discussion" belonged to The Saint.
The only attempt to label motivation for a position was by The Saint.
Go Browns...
Thanks for realizing that.
WSS
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Well guess who looks like JF today. Andrew Luck is down 35-0 at the end of the 3rd. He is 15/22, 109 yds. and 2 interceptions and now at least 1 fumble. Dallas now has the ball after this last fumble to start the 3rd on the Colts' 38.
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Well guess who looks like JF today. Andrew Luck is down 35-0 at the end of the 3rd. He is 15/22, 109 yds. and 2 interceptions and now at least 1 fumble. Dallas now has the ball after this last fumble to start the 3rd on the Colts' 38.
Well guess who looks like JF today. Andrew Luck is down 35-0 at the end of the 3rd. He is 15/22, 109 yds. and 2 interceptions and now at least 1 fumble. Dallas now has the ball after this last fumble to start the 3rd on the Colts' 38.
yes. Thats it! Jf is just like Andrew Luck!
Idiotic
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Well guess who looks like JF today. Andrew Luck is down 35-0 at the end of the 3rd. He is 15/22, 109 yds. and 2 interceptions and now at least 1 fumble. Dallas now has the ball after this last fumble to start the 3rd on the Colts' 38.
Well guess who looks like JF today. Andrew Luck is down 35-0 at the end of the 3rd. He is 15/22, 109 yds. and 2 interceptions and now at least 1 fumble. Dallas now has the ball after this last fumble to start the 3rd on the Colts' 38.
Luck has his issues, but he is without Hilton and every other receiver has several drops today. Good luck hosting the seahawks in the first round. You will need it...
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Well guess who looks like JF today. Andrew Luck is down 35-0 at the end of the 3rd. He is 15/22, 109 yds. and 2 interceptions and now at least 1 fumble. Dallas now has the ball after this last fumble to start the 3rd on the Colts' 38.
Well guess who looks like JF today. Andrew Luck is down 35-0 at the end of the 3rd. He is 15/22, 109 yds. and 2 interceptions and now at least 1 fumble. Dallas now has the ball after this last fumble to start the 3rd on the Colts' 38.
Sorry but that's just an idiotic post. Luck has proven that he can play in the NFL. Johnny has so far proven he cannot.
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Well guess who looks like JF today. Andrew Luck is down 35-0 at the end of the 3rd. He is 15/22, 109 yds. and 2 interceptions and now at least 1 fumble. Dallas now has the ball after this last fumble to start the 3rd on the Colts' 38.
yes. Thats it! Jf is just like Andrew Luck!
Idiotic
yes. Thats it! Jf is just like Andrew Luck!
Idiotic
Today Andrew Luck is just like JF. I never claimed it the other way around.
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Well guess who looks like JF today. Andrew Luck is down 35-0 at the end of the 3rd. He is 15/22, 109 yds. and 2 interceptions and now at least 1 fumble. Dallas now has the ball after this last fumble to start the 3rd on the Colts' 38.
Well guess who looks like JF today. Andrew Luck is down 35-0 at the end of the 3rd. He is 15/22, 109 yds. and 2 interceptions and now at least 1 fumble. Dallas now has the ball after this last fumble to start the 3rd on the Colts' 38.
You can have a bad game if you make the playoffs and the Pro Bowl every year you are a starter and set records in a playoff win.
If you get 3 points in two starts amd then go back to the bench you arent quite as credible.
Z
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Today Andrew Luck is just like JF. I never claimed it the other way around.
Nothing to be proud of that's for sure, but we know Luck will be fine and his team already clinched.
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Ergo... today Dallas Cowboys = Carolina PanthersToday Andrew Luck is just like JF. I never claimed it the other way around.
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The money sign is absolutely meaningless.
Get over it.
WSS
Tell that to any and every player that ever takes the field against him. Kinda doubt they share your view of it. Nor should they.
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Disagree... I think it's symptomatic of a lot of things, but can set that aside.
What cannot be set aside is the its impact on opponents. Bengals D talked about how the spector of that "meaningless" gesture pumped them up. That they did not want to see it and their play was driven by their desire to not see it.
It's permanent bulletin board material... even if there's nothing new to fuel the fire, there's "the money sign" to fall back upon.
Oh horse shit. You take it seriously because you don't like the kid. What pumped the Bengals up is the fact that we fuck them in the ass in their own house.
It also cost the Cincinnati morons at least one penalty.
WSS
Oh horse shit. You take it seriously because you don't like the kid. What pumped the Bengals up is the fact that we fuck them in the ass in their own house.
It also cost the Cincinnati morons at least one penalty.
WSS
I think they'll trade one penalty for a very motivated 30-0 smack down of Johnny and the boys every day of the week. And yes, I take it very seriously. If you're gonna be flashing money signs, it might be a good idea to actually have a little bit of talent and stones to back it up.
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a running game with andrew luck?
i'll take it all day long.
guess the browns don't look like such a fool franchise with that trade...lol.
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