Haslam/Farmer Post Season Presser
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What makes you analyze only the first round of the draft? Do you think West and Bitionio were bad picks? How about Kirksey? Do you think Crowell and Kuwann were bad UDFA's? First round busts suck for sure but there are bars full of them LOL
You have to admit the first round is very important. If you added CJ Mosley and Kelvin Benjamin Farmer would look like a genius
Yes it's important but you have to look a the whole body of work. If I played the hindsight game id wish for Beckam and whoever in the first. If Beckam doesn't get ROY it's a travesty.You have to admit the first round is very important. If you added CJ Mosley and Kelvin Benjamin Farmer would look like a genius
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Time to take a step back folks. None of these guys is going to get cut. I also doubt we trade any of them, but I will admit that might be a possibility. Just depends on what happens and who might want them.
Gordon would be the first to go because his upside off sets his liability to some degree. Manziel has a long ways to go but it is too soon to say we know how that book will read.
Gilbert? I really don't understand his problem. He was a top rated corner and corners can usually make the transition pretty well. Maybe the money was his goal. Winning the lottery so to speak.
Of the three, Gilbert is my biggest disappointment. Everything pre draft pointed to him being a difference maker. I don't really blame Farmer for the pick. Had we not selected him when we did, one of the next 2-3 teams would have.
Johnny would be next, but we really haven't seen enough of a sample, though I will say I'd like to see a few less shots of him in Vegas and read more about him being in Berea as much as league rules allow.
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What exactly has Puffy done to help us W I N games?
I'm waiting..............
Still waiting.............
Done waiting.............. Nothing.
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Time to take a step back folks. None of these guys is going to get cut. I also doubt we trade any of them, but I will admit that might be a possibility. Just depends on what happens and who might want them.
Gordon would be the first to go because his upside off sets his liability to some degree. Manziel has a long ways to go but it is too soon to say we know how that book will read.
Gilbert? I really don't understand his problem. He was a top rated corner and corners can usually make the transition pretty well. Maybe the money was his goal. Winning the lottery so to speak.
Of the three, Gilbert is my biggest disappointment. Everything pre draft pointed to him being a difference maker. I don't really blame Farmer for the pick. Had we not selected him when we did, one of the next 2-3 teams would have.
Johnny would be next, but we really haven't seen enough of a sample, though I will say I'd like to see a few less shots of him in Vegas and read more about him being in Berea as much as league rules allow.
I have to disagree a bit. 1) we have seen plenty of Manziel to assess his character and ability to be a leader. At this point his field performance is irrelevant, he is a cancer to the team. 2) someone's getting cut I think Gordon. It is possible he will be traded if his status as I believe his status will not be free agent or RFA next year. With 5 games played he owes us a full contract year. I think it will be upheld if its challenged.Time to take a step back folks. None of these guys is going to get cut. I also doubt we trade any of them, but I will admit that might be a possibility. Just depends on what happens and who might want them.
Gordon would be the first to go because his upside off sets his liability to some degree. Manziel has a long ways to go but it is too soon to say we know how that book will read.
Gilbert? I really don't understand his problem. He was a top rated corner and corners can usually make the transition pretty well. Maybe the money was his goal. Winning the lottery so to speak.
Of the three, Gilbert is my biggest disappointment. Everything pre draft pointed to him being a difference maker. I don't really blame Farmer for the pick. Had we not selected him when we did, one of the next 2-3 teams would have.
Johnny would be next, but we really haven't seen enough of a sample, though I will say I'd like to see a few less shots of him in Vegas and read more about him being in Berea as much as league rules allow.
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What exactly has Puffy done to help us W I N games?
I'm waiting..............
Still waiting.............
Done waiting.............. Nothing.
He was arguably the 2nd best WR in the NFL in 2013 regardless of how you feel about him.
I try not to let emotion drive my thoughts. I agree Gordon is a wildcard but any team who trades for him will low ball it and he is a legit #1 WR, especially on the Browns.
And based on this logic Farmer should cut the whole team cause there isn't one guy on this team that has won anything
He was arguably the 2nd best WR in the NFL in 2013 regardless of how you feel about him.
How many wins did the "2nd best WR in the NFL in 2013" net us??
ooooooooooo, a whopping 4 games? What a stud L M A O
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Time to take a step back folks. None of these guys is going to get cut. I also doubt we trade any of them, but I will admit that might be a possibility. Just depends on what happens and who might want them.
Gordon would be the first to go because his upside off sets his liability to some degree. Manziel has a long ways to go but it is too soon to say we know how that book will read.
Gilbert? I really don't understand his problem. He was a top rated corner and corners can usually make the transition pretty well. Maybe the money was his goal. Winning the lottery so to speak.
Of the three, Gilbert is my biggest disappointment. Everything pre draft pointed to him being a difference maker. I don't really blame Farmer for the pick. Had we not selected him when we did, one of the next 2-3 teams would have.
Johnny would be next, but we really haven't seen enough of a sample, though I will say I'd like to see a few less shots of him in Vegas and read more about him being in Berea as much as league rules allow.
Time to take a step back folks. None of these guys is going to get cut. I also doubt we trade any of them, but I will admit that might be a possibility. Just depends on what happens and who might want them.
Gordon would be the first to go because his upside off sets his liability to some degree. Manziel has a long ways to go but it is too soon to say we know how that book will read.
Gilbert? I really don't understand his problem. He was a top rated corner and corners can usually make the transition pretty well. Maybe the money was his goal. Winning the lottery so to speak.
Of the three, Gilbert is my biggest disappointment. Everything pre draft pointed to him being a difference maker. I don't really blame Farmer for the pick. Had we not selected him when we did, one of the next 2-3 teams would have.
Johnny would be next, but we really haven't seen enough of a sample, though I will say I'd like to see a few less shots of him in Vegas and read more about him being in Berea as much as league rules allow.
Think you're wrong on all counts.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Time to take a step back folks. None of these guys is going to get cut. I also doubt we trade any of them, but I will admit that might be a possibility. Just depends on what happens and who might want them.
Gordon would be the first to go because his upside off sets his liability to some degree. Manziel has a long ways to go but it is too soon to say we know how that book will read.
Gilbert? I really don't understand his problem. He was a top rated corner and corners can usually make the transition pretty well. Maybe the money was his goal. Winning the lottery so to speak.
Of the three, Gilbert is my biggest disappointment. Everything pre draft pointed to him being a difference maker. I don't really blame Farmer for the pick. Had we not selected him when we did, one of the next 2-3 teams would have.
Johnny would be next, but we really haven't seen enough of a sample, though I will say I'd like to see a few less shots of him in Vegas and read more about him being in Berea as much as league rules allow.
Think you're wrong on all counts.
Think you're wrong on all counts.
I agree 100%
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He was arguably the 2nd best WR in the NFL in 2013 regardless of how you feel about him.
How many wins did the "2nd best WR in the NFL in 2013" net us??
ooooooooooo, a whopping 4 games? What a stud L M A O
How many wins did the "2nd best WR in the NFL in 2013" net us??
ooooooooooo, a whopping 4 games? What a stud L M A O
You do realize there are 11 guys on the field at a time
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You do realize there are 11 guys on the field at a time
really more like 10-10-1/2 when Josh plays.....takes some plays off, he does...
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You do realize there are 11 guys on the field at a time
Exactly, thank you for making my point for me. Man I love debating with the challenged.
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Gordon's only a $1.6 million cap hit, hard to get a #1 WR for that money.
Gordon's only a $1.6 million cap hit, hard to get a #1 WR for that money.
From what I've seen today, the Gordon suspension pushes his FA out a year due to number of games played this year - a definite win for the Browns.
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7-9 playing the weakest schedule in football and when it mattered a complete collapse.
A complete collapse starting rookies, UDFA's and 3rd string players at almost every level of the offense and defense.
Manziel a joke
Can't argue there
Week 17 benching key players/draft picks cause they don't show up on time
Players must be held accountable for their actions. This sends a message not only to the player, but the team as well. Don't like it? Tough shit.
Could go on
No, you can't.
Defense can't stop the run
Bad special teams
Lack of size/talent in key offensive positions
QB controversy without a decent one to be had
According to everyone on here, not me, horrible OC
Defense can't stop the run
Bad special teams
Lack of size/talent in key offensive positions
QB controversy without a decent one to be had
According to everyone on here, not me, horrible OC
Defense can't stop the run- how many guys were out? Taylor, Rubin, Kitchen, and about 2-3 more. We were starting practice squad players on D-line against the Ravens if you didn't notice.
Bad special teams, I'll agree. It's the easiest area to fix though. Maybe Gilbert wasn't given the chance to return kickoffs because of a shitty attitude.
Manziel was boom\bust. Looks like bust.
We're drafting a wr next year, count on it.
So because of lack of size\ skill on the offense, Shanahan is a bum? Can't have it both ways.
Like it or not they need the talent Josh Gordon has. I hate to say it cause he's a fuckhead and is one bong hit from the bench but they need talent
Near certainty he's gone.
they are all gone....im listening now....whitner said it 10 times....where throwing those guys off the bus and getting guys who want to win
Caught most of Haslam's post game comments. Gordon is gone for sure, JFF may well be, 50\50 on Gilbert. Jimmy stressed "accountability". You hurt the team if you're not. Can't blame Gordon on the current staff- but Farmer and Pettine messed up on Manziel and Gilbert. JFF was a known attitude risk- Mike thought he could straighten him out- looks like they may have been wrong big time. Don't know how Gilbert turned into such a head case.
He was arguably the 2nd best WR in the NFL in 2013 regardless of how you feel about him.
I try not to let emotion drive my thoughts. I agree Gordon is a wildcard but any team who trades for him will low ball it and he is a legit #1 WR, especially on the Browns.
And based on this logic Farmer should cut the whole team cause there isn't one guy on this team that has won anything
Puffy has elite talent, and a marshmallow brain. Bacon, do you have attention deficit disorder- remember Puffy's comments when he got off suspension? Considering he's on his last strike, not only with the League, but with the team- missing\being late for a practice is inexcusable.The Browns have bended over backwards giving Gordon every chance in the world to get his shit together. Apparently - he can't.
He has a choice when he gets shipped out- to be another Chris Carter (that would really suck), or another Justin Blackmon.
Both his and Manziel's comments- as opposed to their actions, reek of incincerity.
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Defense can't stop the run
Bad special teams
Lack of size/talent in key offensive positions
QB controversy without a decent one to be had
According to everyone on here, not me, horrible OC
Defense can't stop the run- how many guys were out? Taylor, Rubin, Kitchen, and about 2-3 more. We were starting practice squad players on D-line against the Ravens if you didn't notice.
Bad special teams, I'll agree. It's the easiest area to fix though. Maybe Gilbert wasn't given the chance to return kickoffs because of a shitty attitude.
Manziel was boom\bust. Looks like bust.
We're drafting a wr next year, count on it.
So because of lack of size\ skill on the offense, Shanahan is a bum? Can't have it both ways.
Like it or not they need the talent Josh Gordon has. I hate to say it cause he's a fuckhead and is one bong hit from the bench but they need talent
Near certainty he's gone.
they are all gone....im listening now....whitner said it 10 times....where throwing those guys off the bus and getting guys who want to win
Caught most of Haslam's post game comments. Gordon is gone for sure, JFF may well be, 50\50 on Gilbert. Jimmy stressed "accountability". You hurt the team if you're not. Can't blame Gordon on the current staff- but Farmer and Pettine messed up on Manziel and Gilbert. JFF was a known attitude risk- Mike thought he could straighten him out- looks like they may have been wrong big time. Don't know how Gilbert turned into such a head case.
He was arguably the 2nd best WR in the NFL in 2013 regardless of how you feel about him.
I try not to let emotion drive my thoughts. I agree Gordon is a wildcard but any team who trades for him will low ball it and he is a legit #1 WR, especially on the Browns.
And based on this logic Farmer should cut the whole team cause there isn't one guy on this team that has won anything
Puffy has elite talent, and a marshmallow brain. Bacon, do you have attention deficit disorder- remember Puffy's comments when he got off suspension? Considering he's on his last strike, not only with the League, but with the team- missing\being late for a practice is inexcusable.The Browns have bended over backwards giving Gordon every chance in the world to get his shit together. Apparently - he can't.
He has a choice when he gets shipped out- to be another Chris Carter (that would really suck), or another Justin Blackmon.
Both his and Manziel's comments- as opposed to their actions, reek of incincerity.
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Time to take a step back folks. None of these guys is going to get cut. I also doubt we trade any of them, but I will admit that might be a possibility. Just depends on what happens and who might want them.
Gordon would be the first to go because his upside off sets his liability to some degree. Manziel has a long ways to go but it is too soon to say we know how that book will read.
Gilbert? I really don't understand his problem. He was a top rated corner and corners can usually make the transition pretty well. Maybe the money was his goal. Winning the lottery so to speak.
Of the three, Gilbert is my biggest disappointment. Everything pre draft pointed to him being a difference maker. I don't really blame Farmer for the pick. Had we not selected him when we did, one of the next 2-3 teams would have.
Johnny would be next, but we really haven't seen enough of a sample, though I will say I'd like to see a few less shots of him in Vegas and read more about him being in Berea as much as league rules allow.
Think you're wrong on all counts.
Think you're wrong on all counts.
All counts? Go count by count. What is it you disagree with?
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suffice to say Farmer better pick WR early?
From my observations of Farmer, I don't see him picking a WR in the 1st Round this year.
For one thing, I don't think we've got a QB on the Roster that can hit a WR that can take the top off the D.
Upper mid range yea, but the real long ball we've not had much success at this year.
Farmer's done a pretty good job picking up some UDFA and FA WR's, so for now I can see him staying on this path.
Would I like to see some tall speedsters at WR?
Yeah, but it's like driving a Ferrari during Rush Hour right now as far as we're concerned.
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Hope you enjoyed today, real fan
He's a drunk fan like tim couch potatoes...
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+ 1. They ALL should be let go
Agree, Gordon is just an idiot. Goodbye Johnny Football you've just been replace by "Connie Football" Gilbert is guilty by association. Birds of a feather flock together.
GO BROWNS !
Agree, Gordon is just an idiot. Goodbye Johnny Football you've just been replace by "Connie Football" Gilbert is guilty by association. Birds of a feather SHIT together.
GO BROWNS ! (FIXED)
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Gordon, Manziel, and/or Gilbert gone ?
Don't be counting on it yet :
Tony Grossi @TonyGrossi · 2h 2 hours ago Haslam indicated disciplined players won't be released.
Furthermore :
Tony Grossi @TonyGrossi · 2h 2 hours ago Haslam on manziel, Gordon: They disrespected team, fans, staff. We're gonna give them chance to grow up.
Priority #1 :
Tony Grossi @TonyGrossi · 2h 2 hours ago Jimmy Haslam said #Browns going to work 'tomorrow' on QB situation.
Personally, I'd like to see them bring Hoyer back, keep Manziel on the bench, and have them build both sides of the Line.
Face it, Hoyer's the best QB we've got right now, the porous Center line did his mechanics in with Mack out - he can give us wins until we get our Franchise guy (which may be a ways off yet).
Sadly I don't see Hoyer being back, we'll be off chasing some other cast off FA Veteran for this.
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