Haslam/Farmer Post Season Presser
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@everlastingxxx said:
You can't dump first round picks after one season unless you want to tank your franchise for the next 10 years. You have to hit on them. They have to be given every chance to be successful.
The owner can make all the threats he wants but these young players would be snatched up quickly if they were let go. They are still young and you have to be patient with them and hope the light turns on.
Gordon is a different animal. I would have released him after his drug suspension. You can't trust him any longer.
I'm for trading Gordon for whatever can be gotten for him, but with that said, Gordon's 23 and has proven to be an elite, game-changing player. Manziel is 22 and hasn't proven shit.
I'm for trading Gordon for whatever can be gotten for him, but with that said, Gordon's 23 and has proven to be an elite, game-changing player. Manziel is 22 and hasn't proven shit.
Gilbert is also young.
Look, we've got these three essentially on the cheap for the duration of their current contract.
I see us keeping them probably most if not all of this upcoming Season - with the possibility of a trade by next Season's deadline.
I expect we'll keep working them, and hopefully they'll turn it around (lot of potential talent), but at least I see us trying to maximize our gains from these Players and minimize our losses.
I've seen a few minor flashes from Gilbert, Gordon we all know has massive potential, and for me at least the jury's still out on Manziel.
Should be another interesting Off Season, and with a little continuity possibly some progress.
Post Game Interview I saw with Thomas was that he was looking forward to next Season and being in the Playoffs - that's a real possibility if things work out right.
I think we're on the right course, and hopefully we'll continue to make progress.
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That Manziel pick created a cascade of issues.
This might be the greatest WR class ever and we missed it. Just look at the production of these guys.
Evans
Watkins
Odell Beckham
Kelvin Benjamin
Brandon Cooks
Jordan Mathews
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If I'm Farmer I'm telling the owner to give me the leeway to trade them all off. Gilbert should get the greater benefit of the doubt, but JF has just betrayed a trust the parameters of which he set himself earlier in the week. He broke his own parameters and Farmer/Pettine need to be able to deal for the very best trade they can make. Sure smooth it over in public if you wish, but make the trade down the road. It would actually be JF's best chance to get that kind of wakeup call that someone dislikes what he is doing so much that they are willing to let him go elsewhere. Gordon has had even more chances and is proving that he is just not a fit with this offense which is clearly not centered around him.
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@everlastingxxx said:
You can't dump first round picks after one season unless you want to tank your franchise for the next 10 years. You have to hit on them. They have to be given every chance to be successful.
The owner can make all the threats he wants but these young players would be snatched up quickly if they were let go. They are still young and you have to be patient with them and hope the light turns on.
Gordon is a different animal. I would have released him after his drug suspension. You can't trust him any longer.
I'm for trading Gordon for whatever can be gotten for him, but with that said, Gordon's 23 and has proven to be an elite, game-changing player. Manziel is 22 and hasn't proven shit.
I'm for trading Gordon for whatever can be gotten for him, but with that said, Gordon's 23 and has proven to be an elite, game-changing player. Manziel is 22 and hasn't proven shit.
Agreed. Part of me is still willing to hang on to Gordon because of that elite level talent. Manziel on the other hand seems to just enable guys like Josh. My biggest fear in releasing/trading Gordon is that he goes somewhere like Baltimore where thugs flourish, gets his act together, and then begins destroying the Browns. Granted in the last two years he has really lost all my respect.
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@everlastingxxx said:
You can't dump first round picks after one season unless you want to tank your franchise for the next 10 years. You have to hit on them. They have to be given every chance to be successful.
The owner can make all the threats he wants but these young players would be snatched up quickly if they were let go. They are still young and you have to be patient with them and hope the light turns on.
Gordon is a different animal. I would have released him after his drug suspension. You can't trust him any longer.
Of course you can. The worst thing you can ever do is wait for the first round pick to come around. I can understand the need to wait for a prototypical QB that works hard with great physical attributes but this joker (Manziel) is anything but that. Why blow 2-3 years to acknowledge a mistake?
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@everlastingxxx said:
You can't dump first round picks after one season unless you want to tank your franchise for the next 10 years. You have to hit on them. They have to be given every chance to be successful.
No. Dumping a shitty first round pick after one year sets you back a year. Forcing them into the lineup because you want to pretend the pick wasn't horrible can cost several more years. You can polish a turd - but it is still a turd. And Manziel stinks..
No. Dumping a shitty first round pick after one year sets you back a year. Forcing them into the lineup because you want to pretend the pick wasn't horrible can cost several more years.
Yup... kinda like Andy Dalton?
Not sure I'm comfortable with the responsibility of speaking for any of you. The difference between myself and a lot of you is that although I love the Browns and want them to win each and every week, its not something that pisses me off. The season was a fun one since we were actually relevant into December, only really played 1 truly stinker game and I think heading in the right direction. Whether we truly are heading in the right direction or not remains to be seen but I feel pretty good about the front office for the first time in a few years. Probably since Mangini...I thought he had us heading in the right direction as well.
LOL... be afraid, be very afraid...
We're pretty much in lockstep there, Mark. There is something to be said for impassionate analysis.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Getting draft picks in return is always a good thing. Browns hosed the Colts on the Richardson trade.
I don't think you would get much for Manziel. His off the field stuff is too much.
Not to mention his on the field stuff.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Getting draft picks in return is always a good thing. Browns hosed the Colts on the Richardson trade.
I don't think you would get much for Manziel. His off the field stuff is too much.
Not to mention his on the field stuff.
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@everlastingxxx said:
Getting draft picks in return is always a good thing. Browns hosed the Colts on the Richardson trade.
I don't think you would get much for Manziel. His off the field stuff is too much.
I agree...but if that's the case then the best thing would be to cut bait with him if the team/FO feels that he's not worth the distraction.
Given how young he is, I'd be shocked if we couldn't get even a 5th or 6th round pick for him. Maybe we could just trade him to the Rams for Bradford.
I agree...but if that's the case then the best thing would be to cut bait with him if the team/FO feels that he's not worth the distraction.
Given how young he is, I'd be shocked if we couldn't get even a 5th or 6th round pick for him. Maybe we could just trade him to the Rams for Bradford.
Sam's a pariah due to his contract, but I think Chip Kelly might be interested in a QB raised in an up tempo system.
In any case, if decisions been made to move on, delay if need be, but get what you can when you can and move on.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I agree...but if that's the case then the best thing would be to cut bait with him if the team/FO feels that he's not worth the distraction.
Given how young he is, I'd be shocked if we couldn't get even a 5th or 6th round pick for him. Maybe we could just trade him to the Rams for Bradford.
Sam's a pariah due to his contract, but I think Chip Kelly might be interested in a QB raised in an up tempo system.
In any case, if decisions been made to move on, delay if need be, but get what you can when you can and move on.
Sam's a pariah due to his contract, but I think Chip Kelly might be interested in a QB raised in an up tempo system.
In any case, if decisions been made to move on, delay if need be, but get what you can when you can and move on.
I'll take Nick Foles for Manziel and let him battle it out with Hoyer and Shaw.
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i get the size issue. problem is farmer didn't think it was necessary to draft a wr last draft. so until i get given the keys to the GM office i'll let the guy in there already do his job without wailing outside like a little girl every time something goes wrong.
i mean mcdonalds hasn't fired you for every fry you drop on the floor correct?
do they even make MD 20/20 anymore?
Putting faith in the guy who drafted Manziel/Gilbert, good call, put down the cleaning products
Putting faith in the guy who drafted Manziel/Gilbert, good call, put down the cleaning products
That same guy also drafted Bitonio, West, Kirksey, Desir and signed both Shaw and Crowell.
But that's none of my business...
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Putting faith in the guy who drafted Manziel/Gilbert, good call, put down the cleaning products
That same guy also drafted Bitonio, West, Kirksey, Desir and signed both Shaw and Crowell.
But that's none of my business...
That same guy also drafted Bitonio, West, Kirksey, Desir and signed both Shaw and Crowell.
But that's none of my business...
Nope...no positives allowed. All we can do is bitch and whine and focus on the negatives.
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Sam's a pariah due to his contract, but I think Chip Kelly might be interested in a QB raised in an up tempo system.
In any case, if decisions been made to move on, delay if need be, but get what you can when you can and move on.
I'll take Nick Foles for Manziel and let him battle it out with Hoyer and Shaw.
I'll take Nick Foles for Manziel...
Possibly would require a sweetener, but something along those lines.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Putting faith in the guy who drafted Manziel/Gilbert, good call, put down the cleaning products
That same guy also drafted Bitonio, West, Kirksey, Desir and signed both Shaw and Crowell.
But that's none of my business...
And k'wuan Williams, possibly this Solomon fellow, Gabriel, etc.That same guy also drafted Bitonio, West, Kirksey, Desir and signed both Shaw and Crowell.
But that's none of my business...
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Sam's a pariah due to his contract, but I think Chip Kelly might be interested in a QB raised in an up tempo system.
In any case, if decisions been made to move on, delay if need be, but get what you can when you can and move on.
I'll take Nick Foles for Manziel and let him battle it out with Hoyer and Shaw.
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There will be some team that is willing to think they can change Puffy, and that he is the missing piece they need to make a run, so he does have trade value.
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Putting faith in the guy who drafted Manziel/Gilbert, good call, put down the cleaning products
That same guy also drafted Bitonio, West, Kirksey, Desir and signed both Shaw and Crowell.
But that's none of my business...
I said pretty much the same thing to Bacondufus. You have to look at the overall body of work. He is the prototypical glass half empty rain cloud. I agree the first rounders were dice rolls that came up snake eyes probably. Overall though it's the most talent we have gotten in a draft and UDFA's in a long time.That same guy also drafted Bitonio, West, Kirksey, Desir and signed both Shaw and Crowell.
But that's none of my business...
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I said pretty much the same thing to Bacondufus. You have to look at the overall body of work. He is the prototypical glass half empty rain cloud. I agree the first rounders were dice rolls that came up snake eyes probably. Overall though it's the most talent we have gotten in a draft and UDFA's in a long time.That same guy also drafted Bitonio, West, Kirksey, Desir and signed both Shaw and Crowell.
But that's none of my business...
I said pretty much the same thing to Bacondufus. You have to look at the overall body of work. He is the prototypical glass half empty rain cloud. I agree the first rounders were dice rolls that came up snake eyes probably. Overall though it's the most talent we have gotten in a draft and UDFA's in a long time.
Not to mention players like Austin and Leonhard.
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