Haslam/Farmer Post Season Presser
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Putting faith in the guy who drafted Manziel/Gilbert, good call, put down the cleaning products
That same guy also drafted Bitonio, West, Kirksey, Desir and signed both Shaw and Crowell.
But that's none of my business...
And k'wuan Williams, possibly this Solomon fellow, Gabriel, etc.That same guy also drafted Bitonio, West, Kirksey, Desir and signed both Shaw and Crowell.
But that's none of my business...
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Sam's a pariah due to his contract, but I think Chip Kelly might be interested in a QB raised in an up tempo system.
In any case, if decisions been made to move on, delay if need be, but get what you can when you can and move on.
I'll take Nick Foles for Manziel and let him battle it out with Hoyer and Shaw.
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There will be some team that is willing to think they can change Puffy, and that he is the missing piece they need to make a run, so he does have trade value.
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Putting faith in the guy who drafted Manziel/Gilbert, good call, put down the cleaning products
That same guy also drafted Bitonio, West, Kirksey, Desir and signed both Shaw and Crowell.
But that's none of my business...
I said pretty much the same thing to Bacondufus. You have to look at the overall body of work. He is the prototypical glass half empty rain cloud. I agree the first rounders were dice rolls that came up snake eyes probably. Overall though it's the most talent we have gotten in a draft and UDFA's in a long time.That same guy also drafted Bitonio, West, Kirksey, Desir and signed both Shaw and Crowell.
But that's none of my business...
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I said pretty much the same thing to Bacondufus. You have to look at the overall body of work. He is the prototypical glass half empty rain cloud. I agree the first rounders were dice rolls that came up snake eyes probably. Overall though it's the most talent we have gotten in a draft and UDFA's in a long time.That same guy also drafted Bitonio, West, Kirksey, Desir and signed both Shaw and Crowell.
But that's none of my business...
I said pretty much the same thing to Bacondufus. You have to look at the overall body of work. He is the prototypical glass half empty rain cloud. I agree the first rounders were dice rolls that came up snake eyes probably. Overall though it's the most talent we have gotten in a draft and UDFA's in a long time.
Not to mention players like Austin and Leonhard.
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Pettine just said he wouldnt talk about the "3" today because it would be disrespectful to the guys wearing the uniform today...
tough words about those guys...sounds very pissed and indicated they wouldn't let them on the field today
The "3" sounds like a sci-fi movie about tiny aliens inhabiting the bodies of some of the Browns players.Pettine just said he wouldnt talk about the "3" today because it would be disrespectful to the guys wearing the uniform today...
tough words about those guys...sounds very pissed and indicated they wouldn't let them on the field today
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On tonight's episode of the "3", armed security guards combed the countryside in search of the lost "3". The leader Mo was found unconcience in his pajamas while Larry turned up wearing the wrong jersey. Curly was finally located passed out in a limo near the Bearea training facility.
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The only positive ( and I use that term very loosely) is that it was an extra first round pick that was wasted. We still have 2 this year.
Admitting a mistake and moving on would certainly earn Haslam and company a ton of respect from the fans.
what makes you so sure they won't mess up the next draft also?
what makes you so sure they won't mess up the next draft also?
Did they really fuck up the draft?
Manziel was a real head scratcher, but if Gilbert decides he wants to start taking things seriously, he could turn it around. They also got an extra first round pick and hit on all the other picks. Bitonio, kirksey, west, desir. When you look at the draft from top to bottom and add in the UDFA class, this has to be the best offseason for the Browns in a long time. I know focusing only on first round picks and bitching is a lot more fun than not being a Retard, but c'mon man.
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you weren't saying that shit when the browns were winning, real fan.
just pick moments in time when you think people don't remember what you say, come back rearrange your whole stance and act like you know what the fuck you are talking about now.
you're a joke. a bad one.
Dobbs Ferry must be out of MD 20/20.
Not saying that Benjamin, Hawkins and Gabriel deserve to be cut tomorrow but the NFL requires that you have bigger receivers and those three are tiny. They won't win 50/50 balls and they showed that today.
Dobbs Ferry must be out of MD 20/20.
LMAO sorry Mik that was fucking funny
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Time to take a step back folks. None of these guys is going to get cut. I also doubt we trade any of them, but I will admit that might be a possibility. Just depends on what happens and who might want them.
Gordon would be the first to go because his upside off sets his liability to some degree. Manziel has a long ways to go but it is too soon to say we know how that book will read.
Gilbert? I really don't understand his problem. He was a top rated corner and corners can usually make the transition pretty well. Maybe the money was his goal. Winning the lottery so to speak.
Of the three, Gilbert is my biggest disappointment. Everything pre draft pointed to him being a difference maker. I don't really blame Farmer for the pick. Had we not selected him when we did, one of the next 2-3 teams would have.
Johnny would be next, but we really haven't seen enough of a sample, though I will say I'd like to see a few less shots of him in Vegas and read more about him being in Berea as much as league rules allow.
Time to take a step back folks. None of these guys is going to get cut. I also doubt we trade any of them, but I will admit that might be a possibility. Just depends on what happens and who might want them.
Gordon would be the first to go because his upside off sets his liability to some degree. Manziel has a long ways to go but it is too soon to say we know how that book will read.
Gilbert? I really don't understand his problem. He was a top rated corner and corners can usually make the transition pretty well. Maybe the money was his goal. Winning the lottery so to speak.
Of the three, Gilbert is my biggest disappointment. Everything pre draft pointed to him being a difference maker. I don't really blame Farmer for the pick. Had we not selected him when we did, one of the next 2-3 teams would have.
Johnny would be next, but we really haven't seen enough of a sample, though I will say I'd like to see a few less shots of him in Vegas and read more about him being in Berea as much as league rules allow.
I agree with you Peen , as I usually do.
I'm not ready to give up on Gilbert yet because his position seems to take a while to learn and with the new rules... I have no idea what type of character he has but take for example Buster Skrine. He's gotten better every year with less physical gifts.
WSS
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If they keep these jokers they had better put the fear of God into them
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If they keep these jokers they had better put the fear of God into them
If they keep these jokers they had better put the fear of God into them
"They're young kids. We're going to work with them -- hopefully they grow up. But if they can't grow up and they can't be responsible to their teammates and the coaches and our great fans, then they won't be with the Cleveland Browns."-Jimmy Haslam
Is that scary enough? He's more forgiving than I would be at this point, but I don't have $$ in this game either.
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No I don't think it is. After all not being with the Cleveland Browns might sound like a reward to gordon and manziel. But if they leave they aren't going to get this sort of leeway anywhere else. Who's gonna give gordon a big contract with his track record? Johnny is already got more haters than anyone in the league. ANYWHERE he goes he's going to have to earn any respect he gets.
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No I don't think it is. After all not being with the Cleveland Browns might sound like a reward to gordon and manziel. But if they leave they aren't going to get this sort of leeway anywhere else. Who's gonna give gordon a big contract with his track record? Johnny is already got more haters than anyone in the league. ANYWHERE he goes he's going to have to earn any respect he gets.
No I don't think it is. After all not being with the Cleveland Browns might sound like a reward to gordon and manziel. But if they leave they aren't going to get this sort of leeway anywhere else. Who's gonna give gordon a big contract with his track record? Johnny is already got more haters than anyone in the league. ANYWHERE he goes he's going to have to earn any respect he gets.
But the first time he wins a game here all the haters will be on their feet making the money sign. We have some fickle assholes around here. But as far as going elsewhere who can imagine Brian Hoyer being signed to a starting contract and being guaranteed he won't be benched if he has a rough patch of games? Who would suggest that outside of Cleveland Ohio?
WSS
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No I don't think it is. After all not being with the Cleveland Browns might sound like a reward to gordon and manziel. But if they leave they aren't going to get this sort of leeway anywhere else. Who's gonna give gordon a big contract with his track record? Johnny is already got more haters than anyone in the league. ANYWHERE he goes he's going to have to earn any respect he gets.
Who's gonna give gordon a big contract with his track record? Johnny is already got more haters than anyone in the league. ANYWHERE he goes he's going to have to earn any respect he gets.
dont think anybody will give Gordon a big contract, BUT i do think someone will give him an incentive laden contract. Perform well and get paid well. Act like an ass and get paid like one too.
JFF will be just like Tebow. Even if he changes hands, there will be legions of fans who think he'll come around and the Browns just mishandled him. And there will be legions of fans who think he's a bust and a jerk. And that will never change until he is either GREAT or out of the league.
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Not all, Steve... and still not hatin'... although I have gotten closer.
I think it is safe to say that this staff was very demanding... especially at the skilled positions. How many rotations did we go through at RB alone with guys taking turns not impressing during a week's practice? We saw some of the same at CB and WR. Not all players respond well to that kind of pressure.
Gordon: I still hold out hope for him for two reasons. First, he performed last year. Second, because contrary to what some are posting here, he does not have one foot on a banana peel forever. After a year of clean tests, he gets a partial reset.
I want to see what Josh does through a full, normal season... Training Camp through Week 17, 2015.
Gilbert: Young and impressionable? OK.. I'll buy it for a second year.
Manziel: This is the guy I use to send the message. Even forgoing the tweet during the BLT game, there's the mid-week mea culpa followed by the party on Friday. That was my personal "straw". I see nothing here of value. I see only a void sucking the life out of my team. That's how he should be treated."When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
WSS, if Manziel would've worked harder so he could do the walk along with the talk, then yes people would be behind him. But:
1. He's shown he doesn't work hard, just parties, and his performance showed that.
2. He admits he hasn't worked hard enough and blamed that on his poor showing.
3. Continues to screw off and party, and now affecting other players.
Tour, I agree with you on all three, except I'm not sure yet I'd be so lenient with Gordon. Let's just say I'll be fine with whatever the staff decides to do with him. If they decide he has to go, better be for some kind of trade, not just a cut.
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WSS, if Manziel would've worked harder so he could do the walk along with the talk, then yes people would be behind him. But:
1. He's shown he doesn't work hard, just parties, and his performance showed that.
2. He admits he hasn't worked hard enough and blamed that on his poor showing.
3. Continues to screw off and party, and now affecting other players.
Tour, I agree with you on all three, except I'm not sure yet I'd be so lenient with Gordon. Let's just say I'll be fine with whatever the staff decides to do with him. If they decide he has to go, better be for some kind of trade, not just a cut.
WSS, if Manziel would've worked harder so he could do the walk along with the talk, then yes people would be behind him. But:
1. He's shown he doesn't work hard, just parties, and his performance showed that.
///He's showing nothing of the sort. He's shown that he does party but there's no credible evidence that he doesn't also work hard. His performance shows a rookie thrown into the fire after a team collapse.///
2. He admits he hasn't worked hard enough and blamed that on his poor showing.
3. Continues to screw off and party, and now affecting other players.
///any professional looking back on any kind of failure will kick themselves in the ass and say man maybe I should have worked harder. After the Cincinnati game do you think Joe Thomas whose performance was horrendous might have looked back and say damn it I wish I prepared a little more?/////
3/////and the haters would say if he didn't party with his teammates he wasn't bonding with them./////
Tour, I agree with you on all three, except I'm not sure yet I'd be so lenient with Gordon. Let's just say I'll be fine with whatever the staff decides to do with him. If they decide he has to go, better be for some kind of trade, not just a cut.
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and I'm fine with tours summation of the Gordon problem. If he smokes more dope it's an easy enough question. Booed him immediately. But take the chance Super Talent for two years at little money.
WSS
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