Bryan Hoyer open to returning to Browns
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Brother John I believe that's the first time I've heard you called douchebag....
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Here's the thing...
Since most of the shit that we hear and repeat is speculation on its best day let's just say we don't know how BHS ego plays into this.
Is he looking for a place that he will be a guaranteed starter?
Is he (or more likely his agent) looking to sign for starter money and let the chips fall where they may?
Would he be happier as a backup in another city?
Are the couple of teams with lesser rated quarterbacks better overall teams in the Browns? If not he quite possibly won't be successful there either.
If he is, in fact, better than the other free agent quarterbacks what are those statistics? It seems that others have spent more time starting in the NFL.
I fear that the bottom line is that the Browns need a better quarterback than anyone on the roster at this moment.
That means that if the Johnny haters are correct and he is an abject failure then we will need a starting quarterback and Brian Hoyer will be a decent back up here.
I would imagine there would be at least some level of humiliation in that position.
WSS
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Brother John I believe that's the first time I've heard you called douchebag....
WSS
Brother John I believe that's the first time I've heard you called douchebag....
WSS
He is neither a JFF fanboi or a douchebag.
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Resigning Hoyer is the most stable prospect we have at the position right now. Sad but true. And I think he could've brought more wins to us if our o-line didn't suffer.
Unless they have a solid plan for going in a different direction next year, resign him with a contract deal that is appropriate.
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Agree... Hoyer would be the best immediate option in Shanny's system, but will Shanny be here?
And then there's the whole:
Said Hoyer: βItβs a great scenario here, but you have to be wanted back.β
To say, "Hoyer just wants to tag along with collecting an NFL paycheck," is douche-baggery... whatever the fuck "tag along with" means.
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Agree... Hoyer would be the best immediate option in Shanny's system, but will Shanny be here?
And then there's the whole:
Said Hoyer: βItβs a great scenario here, but you have to be wanted back.β
To say, "Hoyer just wants to tag along with collecting an NFL paycheck," is douche-baggery... whatever the fuck "tag along with" means.
And then there's the whole:......: βItβs a great scenario here, but you have to be wanted back.β
Exactly.....I think thats what Ward said last year......
Hey, if the Browns "know" BH isn't the future, then I respect them for moving on. I get that he may be the best option right now, but if that option isn't good enough for the long term, then it's best to start working toward finding the right one.
Why waste time on players you dont think you can win it all with? Now is the time to get it sorted....
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And then there's the whole:......: βItβs a great scenario here, but you have to be wanted back.β
Exactly.....I think thats what Ward said last year......
Hey, if the Browns "know" BH isn't the future, then I respect them for moving on. I get that he may be the best option right now, but if that option isn't good enough for the long term, then it's best to start working toward finding the right one.
Why waste time on players you dont think you can win it all with? Now is the time to get it sorted....
Exactly.....I think thats what Ward said last year......
Hey, if the Browns "know" BH isn't the future, then I respect them for moving on. I get that he may be the best option right now, but if that option isn't good enough for the long term, then it's best to start working toward finding the right one.
Why waste time on players you dont think you can win it all with? Now is the time to get it sorted....
Good luck finding any QB available to the Browns in the next 6 months that you can "win it all with".
Sometimes you have to make due with what you've got.
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Exactly.....I think thats what Ward said last year......
Hey, if the Browns "know" BH isn't the future, then I respect them for moving on. I get that he may be the best option right now, but if that option isn't good enough for the long term, then it's best to start working toward finding the right one.
Why waste time on players you dont think you can win it all with? Now is the time to get it sorted....
Good luck finding any QB available to the Browns in the next 6 months that you can "win it all with".
Sometimes you have to make due with what you've got.
Actually no one is seriously disputing Johnny's talent, just his attitude. Attitudes can change.Good luck finding any QB available to the Browns in the next 6 months that you can "win it all with".
Sometimes you have to make due with what you've got.
(or not I know)
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This might will be the best place for BH.
A fan base who wants to give you the benefit of the doubt and a team that should be a little bit better next year. The downside would be the horrendous schedule we face. But unless I'm mistaken, & I might well be, he does not seem like a money grubber or an opportunist. If there's any money grubbing to be done its most likely his agent. That's what they get paid for.
WSS
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Exactly.....I think thats what Ward said last year......
Hey, if the Browns "know" BH isn't the future, then I respect them for moving on. I get that he may be the best option right now, but if that option isn't good enough for the long term, then it's best to start working toward finding the right one.
Why waste time on players you dont think you can win it all with? Now is the time to get it sorted....
Good luck finding any QB available to the Browns in the next 6 months that you can "win it all with".
Sometimes you have to make due with what you've got.
Good luck finding any QB available to the Browns in the next 6 months that you can "win it all with".
Sometimes you have to make due with what you've got.
Yeah, I get that....but the Browns may feel like they are spinning their wheels by playing players they KNOW aren't the guy...
Make do or try something new?...I think they want to keep moving forward and, to them, making do isn't moving forward....
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Hoyer is closer to "the guy" than Shaw or Manziel for 2015, at least so far.
That could change but I don't see Manziel or Shaw being there yet.
My question is who's the best guy for this football team in 2015, at this point I don't see one better than Hoyer available.
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Hoyer is closer to "the guy" than Shaw or Manziel for 2015, at least so far.
That could change but I don't see Manziel or Shaw being there yet.
My question is who's the best guy for this football team in 2015, at this point I don't see one better than Hoyer available.
My question is who's the best guy for this football team in 2015, at this point I don't see one better than Hoyer available.
Yeah..I dont know.
And, to be clear, Im not arguing that Hoyer "isnt" the best guy for 2015. Im hearing the Browns may not want him and am speculating on the "why" of that....
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Actually no one is seriously disputing Johnny's talent, just his attitude. Attitudes can change.Good luck finding any QB available to the Browns in the next 6 months that you can "win it all with".
Sometimes you have to make due with what you've got.
(or not I know)
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This might will be the best place for BH.
A fan base who wants to give you the benefit of the doubt and a team that should be a little bit better next year. The downside would be the horrendous schedule we face. But unless I'm mistaken, & I might well be, he does not seem like a money grubber or an opportunist. If there's any money grubbing to be done its most likely his agent. That's what they get paid for.
WSS
Actually no one is seriously disputing Johnny's talent
WSS
I am. Always have. His game is not suited for the pro level and his improvement since his time in College Station has been minimal at best.
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Call him a poor man's Matt Flynn.
So what does that make JFF? A poor man's Eric Crouch?
So what does that make JFF? A poor man's Eric Crouch?
Imagine....................................................................he is an unproven commodity.
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Hoyer is closer to "the guy" than Shaw or Manziel for 2015, at least so far.
That could change but I don't see Manziel or Shaw being there yet.
My question is who's the best guy for this football team in 2015, at this point I don't see one better than Hoyer available.
Hoyer is closer to "the guy" than Shaw or Manziel for 2015, at least so far.
That could change but I don't see Manziel or Shaw being there yet.
My question is who's the best guy for this football team in 2015, at this point I don't see one better than Hoyer available.
Thank you, Mr. Pettine.
What does your crystal ball tell you, considering you don't have all that much knowledge about the NFL (probably more than I do but that is a very low standard)
Tarot cards all around
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Actually no one is seriously disputing Johnny's talent, just his attitude. Attitudes can change.Good luck finding any QB available to the Browns in the next 6 months that you can "win it all with".
Sometimes you have to make due with what you've got.
(or not I know)
also
This might will be the best place for BH.
A fan base who wants to give you the benefit of the doubt and a team that should be a little bit better next year. The downside would be the horrendous schedule we face. But unless I'm mistaken, & I might well be, he does not seem like a money grubber or an opportunist. If there's any money grubbing to be done its most likely his agent. That's what they get paid for.
WSS
Actually no one is seriously disputing Johnny's talent, just his attitude. Attitudes can change.
(or not I know)
also
This might will be the best place for BH.
A fan base who wants to give you the benefit of the doubt and a team that should be a little bit better next year. The downside would be the horrendous schedule we face. But unless I'm mistaken, & I might well be, he does not seem like a money grubber or an opportunist. If there's any money grubbing to be done its most likely his agent. That's what they get paid for.
WSS
I am. Always have. His game is not suited for the pro level and his improvement since his time in College Station has been minimal at best.
That makes two of us at least- though I'm not willing to call Manziel a total bust yet. I want to see him working his ass off to improve though. He's been duly humbled, both on and off the field. Let's see if he's really sincere about being 100% dedicated to making it in the NFL. Found out the hard way the NFL is a completely different animal than college.
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I don't think we are going to find our QB in this coming off season. That means we draft core players and keep improving this team. If we get a great team we can win with a suitable qb, so build that great team, get the suitable qb, and groom our future guy. The question is, can JFF buckle down, and work his ass off? Of he does he maybe, maybe could be the guy in a couple years. He would have to work super hard though after watching him play. I don't think he can do that.
So hoyer for now is probably a good option. I would also be interested in Bradford or even cutler (I know you all hate him, but he's good)
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Actually no one is seriously disputing Johnny's talent, just his attitude. Attitudes can change.
(or not I know)
also
This might will be the best place for BH.
A fan base who wants to give you the benefit of the doubt and a team that should be a little bit better next year. The downside would be the horrendous schedule we face. But unless I'm mistaken, & I might well be, he does not seem like a money grubber or an opportunist. If there's any money grubbing to be done its most likely his agent. That's what they get paid for.
WSS
I am. Always have. His game is not suited for the pro level and his improvement since his time in College Station has been minimal at best.
That makes two of us at least- though I'm not willing to call Manziel a total bust yet. I want to see him working his ass off to improve though. He's been duly humbled, both on and off the field. Let's see if he's really sincere about being 100% dedicated to making it in the NFL. Found out the hard way the NFL is a completely different animal than college.
That makes two of us at least-
Three actually.....haven't seen ANYTHING to make me believe he's gonna be good....not one thing to hang my hat on...
I think it takes 3 things to make it in the NFL.....the right body(size/strength)......talent......and the right mind set(work ethic, smarts, effort)......
Maybe JFF has the "talent" part(maybe)....but so far hasn't shown the rest....wrong size, poor work ethic, not a football mind, very little effort, etc....
And, yes, we will see if he's sincere about getting it together.....apparently he wasn't sincere the first 10 times he said so though
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Actually no one is seriously disputing Johnny's talent, just his attitude. Attitudes can change.
(or not I know)
also
This might will be the best place for BH.
A fan base who wants to give you the benefit of the doubt and a team that should be a little bit better next year. The downside would be the horrendous schedule we face. But unless I'm mistaken, & I might well be, he does not seem like a money grubber or an opportunist. If there's any money grubbing to be done its most likely his agent. That's what they get paid for.
WSS
I am. Always have. His game is not suited for the pro level and his improvement since his time in College Station has been minimal at best.
That makes two of us at least- though I'm not willing to call Manziel a total bust yet. I want to see him working his ass off to improve though. He's been duly humbled, both on and off the field. Let's see if he's really sincere about being 100% dedicated to making it in the NFL. Found out the hard way the NFL is a completely different animal than college.
That makes two of us at least- though I'm not willing to call Manziel a total bust yet. I want to see him working his ass off to improve though. He's been duly humbled, both on and off the field. Let's see if he's really sincere about being 100% dedicated to making it in the NFL. Found out the hard way the NFL is a completely different animal than college.
Make it 4.
What talent exactly are folks talking about? The one that can't pick up a playbook. The one that runs around looking like his head got chopped off. The one with lack of arm strength. What about his midget status?
What talent are folks enamoring about with this guy?
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And then there's the whole:......: βItβs a great scenario here, but you have to be wanted back.β
Exactly.....I think thats what Ward said last year......
Hey, if the Browns "know" BH isn't the future, then I respect them for moving on. I get that he may be the best option right now, but if that option isn't good enough for the long term, then it's best to start working toward finding the right one.
Why waste time on players you dont think you can win it all with? Now is the time to get it sorted....
Exactly.....I think thats what Ward said last year......
Hey, if the Browns "know" BH isn't the future, then I respect them for moving on. I get that he may be the best option right now, but if that option isn't good enough for the long term, then it's best to start working toward finding the right one.
Why waste time on players you dont think you can win it all with? Now is the time to get it sorted....
You recall this was Stockboy's arguement. The key difference is he wanted to do it when Hoyer was still winning games, but also when we didn't know anything yet in what Manziel had. And he repeated the point over and over endlessly.
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Good luck finding any QB available to the Browns in the next 6 months that you can "win it all with".
Sometimes you have to make due with what you've got.
Yeah, I get that....but the Browns may feel like they are spinning their wheels by playing players they KNOW aren't the guy...
Make do or try something new?...I think they want to keep moving forward and, to them, making do isn't moving forward....
Yeah, I get that....but the Browns may feel like they are spinning their wheels by playing players they KNOW aren't the guy...
But the guy to do what? Make the playoffs? Win the Division? Win the SuperBowl?
All are very different from "the QB giving us the best chance to win a given game".
All are goals that take more than even the greatest QB in history can supply. They are not a basis for evaluation.
That is what StockBoy never understood.
Clearly Hoyer gave us the best chance in 2014.
Worrying about having the best chance to win Week 1 and go from there.
Hoyer is an FA now does he give us the best chance to win Week 1 vs. all other FA's?
Vs. all QBs in the draft?
Vs. all QBs for which we might trade?
Worry about getting Week 1 right.
I am. Always have. (JM's) game is not suited for the pro level and his improvement since his time in College Station has been minimal at best.
That makes two of us
Three actually
Make it 4.
Five and counting...
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