Free Agency
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Ryan Mallett interests me I must admit.
Why? I really don't see the fascination.
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DESPERATION!!!
Ha, sounds about right. There's a lot of "he learned under Belichick and Brady" love going on around here - Hoyer, Mallet and Garoppolo. I wouldn't panic on that just yet, though. There aren't really any great options out there, and we're not high enough in the draft to get one of those guys. Besides, we do still have a first round pick we've seen only 1.5 games from - I don't think to go all in on anyone just yet. Concentrate on the front seven and skill positions, and the quarterback all of a sudden looks a lot better.
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Ryan Mallett interests me I must admit.
Why? I really don't see the fascination.
Why? I really don't see the fascination.
In all seriousness he's tall with big hands and a strong arm. Still haven't seen enough work to know if he's NFL capable.
If it's Cousins I think I'll cry.
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In all seriousness he's tall with big hands and a strong arm. Still haven't seen enough work to know if he's NFL capable.
If it's Cousins I think I'll cry.
So was Brandon Weeden. If those are your only criteria, you can find a bucket load of guys like that. Derek Anderson anybody?
How is his footwork, his release, his decision making, his reading of defenses and routes, his touch? Shanahan, if he's still in Cleveland, seems to like running a timing based offense, relying on getting the ball out quickly. It seemed quite rare to see our QB actually standing in the pocket and throwing long - most long gains came off of PAP.
Big arm may be easy to show off at the combine and pro day, but it's just one of many factors that go in to making a QB. I don't know if Mallett has the other attributes - maybe he does, maybe he doesn't - but just having a big arm isn't enough.
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In all seriousness he's tall with big hands and a strong arm. Still haven't seen enough work to know if he's NFL capable.
If it's Cousins I think I'll cry.
So was Brandon Weeden. If those are your only criteria, you can find a bucket load of guys like that. Derek Anderson anybody?
How is his footwork, his release, his decision making, his reading of defenses and routes, his touch? Shanahan, if he's still in Cleveland, seems to like running a timing based offense, relying on getting the ball out quickly. It seemed quite rare to see our QB actually standing in the pocket and throwing long - most long gains came off of PAP.
Big arm may be easy to show off at the combine and pro day, but it's just one of many factors that go in to making a QB. I don't know if Mallett has the other attributes - maybe he does, maybe he doesn't - but just having a big arm isn't enough.
So was Brandon Weeden. If those are your only criteria, you can find a bucket load of guys like that. Derek Anderson anybody?
How is his footwork, his release, his decision making, his reading of defenses and routes, his touch? Shanahan, if he's still in Cleveland, seems to like running a timing based offense, relying on getting the ball out quickly. It seemed quite rare to see our QB actually standing in the pocket and throwing long - most long gains came off of PAP.
Big arm may be easy to show off at the combine and pro day, but it's just one of many factors that go in to making a QB. I don't know if Mallett has the other attributes - maybe he does, maybe he doesn't - but just having a big arm isn't enough.
Thing is we don't know do we? He's not been seen on the field enough.
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So was Brandon Weeden. If those are your only criteria, you can find a bucket load of guys like that. Derek Anderson anybody?
How is his footwork, his release, his decision making, his reading of defenses and routes, his touch? Shanahan, if he's still in Cleveland, seems to like running a timing based offense, relying on getting the ball out quickly. It seemed quite rare to see our QB actually standing in the pocket and throwing long - most long gains came off of PAP.
Big arm may be easy to show off at the combine and pro day, but it's just one of many factors that go in to making a QB. I don't know if Mallett has the other attributes - maybe he does, maybe he doesn't - but just having a big arm isn't enough.
Thing is we don't know do we? He's not been seen on the field enough.
Thing is we don't know do we? He's not been seen on the field enough.
No, we don't know. Equally, I have never played an NFL game, so we don't know these things about me either. I need a little more than the mystery of the unknown.
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Hey, Derek has looked awesome this year.
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Spotrac is a great site... here's my take on our FAs...
http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/cleveland-browns/
Player Pos Status From To Age Exp 2014 Cap Hit
High - Sign at essentially all cost; consider Franchise tag
Tashaun Gipson S RFA CLE TBD 24 2 $570,500
Med - Make competitive offer with intent to retain
Miles Austin WR UFA CLE TBD 30 8 $2,000,000
Jabaal Sheard OLB UFA CLE TBD 25 3 $1,619,625
Buster Skrine CB UFA CLE TBD 25 3 $1,481,500
Ishmaa'ily Kitchen DT RFA CLE TBD 26 2 $570,000
Craig Robertson ILB ERFA CLE TBD 26 2 $570,000
Jim Leonhard S UFA CLE TBD 32 9 $570,000
Shaun Draughn RB UFA CLE TBD 27 2 $134,117
Scott Solomon DE UFA CLE TBD 26 2 $67,05
Low - Make reasonable offer with degree of willingness to part ways
Jordan Cameron TE UFA CLE TBD 26 3 $1,550,350
Brian Hoyer QB UFA CLE TBD 29 4 $1,250,000
Ahtyba Rubin DT UFA CLE TBD 28 6 $8,175,000
Johnson Bademosi S RFA CLE TBD 24 2 $570,834
Spencer Lanning P ERFA CLE TBD 26 1 $495,000
Marlon Moore WR UFA CLE TBD 27 4 $435,882
Ryan Seymour G ERFA CLE TBD 24 1 $320,294
No - Take it or leave it, low ball
Sione Fua DT UFA CLE TBD 26 3 $417,353
Andre Smith TE RFA CLE TBD 26 2 $333,0008
Tyler Thigpen QB UFA CLE TBD 30 7 $33,529
Jermaine Saffold WR RFA CLE TBD 25 $0
Zac Diles ILB UFA CLE TBD 29 7 $0
Solomon Elimimian LB ERFA CLE TBD 28 1 $0
Matt Cleveland G RFA CLE TBD 25 $0
Emanuel Davis CB RFA CLE TBD 26 $0
Jake Anderson G RFA CLE TBD 25 $0
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It's imperative to resign Gipson
It's imperative to resign Gipson
Will he want to stay? He won't be short of offers.
Gipson is a restricted free agent, which will allow us to match any offers.....so, the Browns can have him if they want him....
Justin Houston.
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I dont think he's getting away....they'll tag him for sure...
I will say Ive backed off a touch on signing Skrine....especially if we have to pay him top dollar. Would hate to do a large contract with him, then have Desir or Gilbert take over the starters role.....suddenly, we could have a multimillion dollar nickle back.....and I do believe we have so much quality in the DB's that it's likey one of them will emerge as a TOP player....Desir/Gilbert/Williams...
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Was thinking the WR crop looks very fine this year in terms of FA's......and dont see farmer signing a superstar like Dez Bryant....but a few that caught me eye and would fit in well were...
Torrey Smith...who I think could be our #1 no sweat
Michael Crabtree....solid/dependable and would be a good system receiver
Cecil Shorts ...my dark horse
...probably not #1 material, but a good fit for us none the less. AND he REALLY wants to be here. I say go get him!And Ill take Thomas or Bryant, but somehow dont see that happening.ha!
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Spotrac is a great site... here's my take on our FAs...
http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/cleveland-browns/
Player Pos Status From To Age Exp 2014 Cap Hit
High - Sign at essentially all cost; consider Franchise tag
Tashaun Gipson S RFA CLE TBD 24 2 $570,500
Med - Make competitive offer with intent to retain
Miles Austin WR UFA CLE TBD 30 8 $2,000,000
Jabaal Sheard OLB UFA CLE TBD 25 3 $1,619,625
Buster Skrine CB UFA CLE TBD 25 3 $1,481,500
Ishmaa'ily Kitchen DT RFA CLE TBD 26 2 $570,000
Craig Robertson ILB ERFA CLE TBD 26 2 $570,000
Jim Leonhard S UFA CLE TBD 32 9 $570,000
Shaun Draughn RB UFA CLE TBD 27 2 $134,117
Scott Solomon DE UFA CLE TBD 26 2 $67,05
Low - Make reasonable offer with degree of willingness to part ways
Jordan Cameron TE UFA CLE TBD 26 3 $1,550,350
Brian Hoyer QB UFA CLE TBD 29 4 $1,250,000
Ahtyba Rubin DT UFA CLE TBD 28 6 $8,175,000
Johnson Bademosi S RFA CLE TBD 24 2 $570,834
Spencer Lanning P ERFA CLE TBD 26 1 $495,000
Marlon Moore WR UFA CLE TBD 27 4 $435,882
Ryan Seymour G ERFA CLE TBD 24 1 $320,294
No - Take it or leave it, low ball
Sione Fua DT UFA CLE TBD 26 3 $417,353
Andre Smith TE RFA CLE TBD 26 2 $333,0008
Tyler Thigpen QB UFA CLE TBD 30 7 $33,529
Jermaine Saffold WR RFA CLE TBD 25 $0
Zac Diles ILB UFA CLE TBD 29 7 $0
Solomon Elimimian LB ERFA CLE TBD 28 1 $0
Matt Cleveland G RFA CLE TBD 25 $0
Emanuel Davis CB RFA CLE TBD 26 $0
Jake Anderson G RFA CLE TBD 25 $0
Spotrac is a great site... here's my take on our FAs...
http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/cleveland-browns/
Player Pos Status From To Age Exp 2014 Cap Hit
High - Sign at essentially all cost; consider Franchise tag
Tashaun Gipson S RFA CLE TBD 24 2 $570,500
Med - Make competitive offer with intent to retain
Miles Austin WR UFA CLE TBD 30 8 $2,000,000
Jabaal Sheard OLB UFA CLE TBD 25 3 $1,619,625
Buster Skrine CB UFA CLE TBD 25 3 $1,481,500
Ishmaa'ily Kitchen DT RFA CLE TBD 26 2 $570,000
Craig Robertson ILB ERFA CLE TBD 26 2 $570,000
Jim Leonhard S UFA CLE TBD 32 9 $570,000
Shaun Draughn RB UFA CLE TBD 27 2 $134,117
Scott Solomon DE UFA CLE TBD 26 2 $67,05
Low - Make reasonable offer with degree of willingness to part ways
Jordan Cameron TE UFA CLE TBD 26 3 $1,550,350
Brian Hoyer QB UFA CLE TBD 29 4 $1,250,000
Ahtyba Rubin DT UFA CLE TBD 28 6 $8,175,000
Johnson Bademosi S RFA CLE TBD 24 2 $570,834
Spencer Lanning P ERFA CLE TBD 26 1 $495,000
Marlon Moore WR UFA CLE TBD 27 4 $435,882
Ryan Seymour G ERFA CLE TBD 24 1 $320,294
No - Take it or leave it, low ball
Sione Fua DT UFA CLE TBD 26 3 $417,353
Andre Smith TE RFA CLE TBD 26 2 $333,0008
Tyler Thigpen QB UFA CLE TBD 30 7 $33,529
Jermaine Saffold WR RFA CLE TBD 25 $0
Zac Diles ILB UFA CLE TBD 29 7 $0
Solomon Elimimian LB ERFA CLE TBD 28 1 $0
Matt Cleveland G RFA CLE TBD 25 $0
Emanuel Davis CB RFA CLE TBD 26 $0
Jake Anderson G RFA CLE TBD 25 $0
Leonhard retired.
And I am not so keen on keeping Sheard. He is too similar to Kruger, if they are both on the field as the same time we can't cover, I'd rather add a speedier outside linebacker.
Zombo
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I'm not on the Mallett train either, but I WOULD take a flyer on Sanchez, especially if we hit a FA WR or two.Keep Gipson & solidify OL, DL & LB thru lower end FA, trade & draft.
Like anyone, I like to guess, but I'm trusting the guys who REALLY know & that ain't me!
Mike
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Justin Houston. Justin Houston. Justin Houston. Justin Houston.
Justin Houston.
Oh, and, Justin Houston.
That is all.
Justin Houston. Justin Houston. Justin Houston. Justin Houston.
Justin Houston.
Oh, and, Justin Houston.
That is all.
I think it's been said he's not leaving KC, they're gonna pay him it's already a done deal. I wouldn't be opposed to going after Orakpo especially if Sheard is going to be gone. I know he's over the hill but I wouldn't mind getting Freeney for next to nothing so he can come in and teach some of our guys his pass rush. Also might be nice to pull Worilds out of Pgh.
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Assume we bring Robertson back as he is Exclusive FA?
I assume so, yeah, especially how well he stepped up in Dansby's absence. People had him as a lame duck that would roll over and hand the starting job to Kirksey, but that doesn't seem to have happened. For me, ILB isn't as big a need as OLB and DE/NT.
. For me, ILB isn't as big a need as OLB and DE/NT.
You think OLB is a bigger need than ILB? Please explain cause I watched us get gouged the entire season up the middle. You can argue some fo that is on the D line for sure but when it comes down to it ILB'ers are responsible for the run, period.
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Build through the draft or continue to lose. How many of the perenial playoff teams have been built through free agency?
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
I think it is very likely we sign Cecil Shorts. He'd be a legitimate #2 reciever for us opposite whoever our #1 would be. He would definitely "play like a Brown" since he is from Cleveland.
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I think it is very likely we sign Cecil Shorts. He'd be a legitimate #2 reciever for us opposite whoever our #1 would be. He would definitely "play like a Brown" since he is from Cleveland.
I think it is very likely we sign Cecil Shorts. He'd be a legitimate #2 reciever for us opposite whoever our #1 would be. He would definitely "play like a Brown" since he is from Cleveland.
He was one of the few names at WR I looked twice at, but I feel that might be because he's had big games against us (now known as the Kirk Cousins effect), I'm not sure how he's done outside of that?
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Build through the draft or continue to lose. How many of the perenial playoff teams have been built through free agency?
Build through the draft or continue to lose. How many of the perenial playoff teams have been built through free agency?
And how many successful teams add nobody in free agency and rely on rookies every year?
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. For me, ILB isn't as big a need as OLB and DE/NT.
You think OLB is a bigger need than ILB? Please explain cause I watched us get gouged the entire season up the middle. You can argue some fo that is on the D line for sure but when it comes down to it ILB'ers are responsible for the run, period.
You think OLB is a bigger need than ILB? Please explain cause I watched us get gouged the entire season up the middle. You can argue some fo that is on the D line for sure but when it comes down to it ILB'ers are responsible for the run, period.
We failed to put any consistent pressure on the QB this year, outside of Kruger. Part of that is on the DL as well for sure, but Sheard was generally underwhelming and his contract is up, and Mingo has done nothing of note in the two years he has been here. Meanwhile, Dansby has been playing at a very high level, and Robertson was very impressive in the games Dansby was out and he needed to step up.
Basically, I put run stopping on the DL, with ILB to mop up, and the DL hasn't been doing that effectively this season, nor generating pass rush. So for me, DL first, then OLB/ILB. I wouldn't be at all upset though if the FO had the priorities flipped, there's not much in it.
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Mingo is getting better and has basically been playing with one shoulder in use. I still have high hopes for him.
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