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Have the Browns Ever Had the Right Coach Since 99?

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  • I always liked Mangini and his philosophy. I might take heat for saying it but I thought the team player hard for him. We didn't have the best talent but beat some talented teams. We were never so up and down as we were this year. Yes it was consistently below average but at least we knew the problems. I believe if holmgreb wasn't there and a couple decent drafts, we would have had a decent team

    Smart, athletic, and tough. Guys who want to play and are competitive. Not Gordon bums or johnny nancies.

    But the flip side he hasn't had another hc opportunity, maybe raiders, since so maybe he wasn't so good.

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  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan

    I know I might get slammed but I am not that down on Haslam. I liked what he said at the end of the season about the attitude of some of the players on the Browns team, I like he immediately showed support for Pettine, I think he is committed to bringing winning football to Cleveland. I believe he has brought in the right coach and GM.

    The huge mistake was Manziel. Farmer may have just fallen on the sword claiming Haslam had nothing to do with bringing in Manziel? Who knows for sure. Anyway I don't think there will be any more homeless guys running the front office. Mistakes are made but the big thing to me is learning from your mistakes and not repeating them. They should have followed the recommendation of their own $100,000 study. That study did not guarantee a winning draft pick but it increased the odds you would pick the right guy.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    I know I might get slammed but I am not that down on Haslam.

    I like Haslam too......keep hearing that he's like Jerry Jones, but have ZERO clue why people say that....other than the fact that they are rich, kind of look alike and have similar accents....

    I think he's light years ahead of Lerner in smarts, knowledge, fortitude, effort and caring....light years!!!!

    @tour2ma said:

    I think we've had the "Coach" three times...

    Davis was just a terrible GM.

    Mangini was just in Holmgren's way.

    Pet looks to be the best we've seen.

    I agree...these were the 3 best and, to my eye, Pettine is the winner!

    Hope he's here for years to come

  • I don't think Halsam is like Jerry Jones at all. Jimmy is in front of the camera about 2-3 times a year. Jerry is in front of the camera almost daily. Jimmy is NOT the GM like Jerry is.

    I like Jimmy way more then Randy Lerner. Jimmy seems committed to the team. Randy just paid people to run it for him.

    As for the coaching since 1999, I liked Butch Davis. I would have liked him to not be GM and just coach. He could have done well IMO

    Pettine is decent so far. He seems to have a clue what he's doing, ( unlike Pat Shurmer ) and he isn't putting up with the knuckleheads on this team either.

    I think we are headed for good things, if they can get rid of the selfish idiots

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
  • USFBrownU USFBrown

    I always liked Mangini and his philosophy. I might take heat for saying it but I thought the team player hard for him. We didn't have the best talent but beat some talented teams. We were never so up and down as we were this year. Yes it was consistently below average but at least we knew the problems. I believe if holmgreb wasn't there and a couple decent drafts, we would have had a decent team

    Smart, athletic, and tough. Guys who want to play and are competitive. Not Gordon bums or johnny nancies.

    But the flip side he hasn't had another hc opportunity, maybe raiders, since so maybe he wasn't so good.

    @usfbrown said:

    I always liked Mangini and his philosophy. I might take heat for saying it but I thought the team player hard for him.

    But the flip side he hasn't had another hc opportunity, maybe raiders, since so maybe he wasn't so good.

    Mangini certainly did not seem as "relatable" as Pet has or Butch did, but I think his Coordinators made up for him. Certainly was true of Rob Ryan on the D-side.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • I think Pettine is the man. I'm not as certain about his O coordinator however. Just not sold yet.

  • T TexasAg1969

    I think Pettine is the man. I'm not as certain about his O coordinator however. Just not sold yet.

    @texasag1969 said:

    I think Pettine is the man. I'm not as certain about his O coordinator however. Just not sold yet.

    Fo sho, I wouldn't complain at all if we lost Shanahan (but the only way we're going to have a different OC is if he got an HC job, which he wouldn't) - not that he doesn't deserve more time I just wouldn't mind an immediate improvement.

  • I do wonder, maybe the Gipper or somebody could look this up, but around the league what's the average occurrence of coaches lasting less than two seasons for other teams?

    As for any of those coaches In N Out in the blink of an eye of course I would wonder what a 3 year tenure might have produced. At any rate the act of replacement didn't seem to help. Of all of them I guess I'd have liked to see Eric Mangini get another roll of the dice. Who knows?

    WSS

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  • The Mangini firing set this org back nearly a decade. That was a debacle, and all cause his staff was "mean" to McCoy who was our anointed one at the time. I have zero doubt we would have been in the AFC championship by now had we kept him. Like Pettine or not we're stuck with him, we can't fire a coach for awhile or it's the dark ages for Cleveland football....some of you will be dead by the time the Browns sniff a .500 season again. Do we want to be the Raiders? If you think being a Browns fan is miserable.......

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  • I like Pettine but even with the support shown to him by Haslam he will only have a short time to prove he can turn the club around. I think he can do it. From the comments my guess is of the past coaches most here would have picked Mangini to have been the coach if given time to turn it around in Cleveland.

  • The greatest coach in the history of the Browns was Sam Rigatoni. They should see if he would come out of retirement to coach again.

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  • W Westside Steve

    I do wonder, maybe the Gipper or somebody could look this up, but around the league what's the average occurrence of coaches lasting less than two seasons for other teams?

    As for any of those coaches In N Out in the blink of an eye of course I would wonder what a 3 year tenure might have produced. At any rate the act of replacement didn't seem to help. Of all of them I guess I'd have liked to see Eric Mangini get another roll of the dice. Who knows?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    I do wonder, maybe the Gipper or somebody could look this up, but around the league what's the average occurrence of coaches lasting less than two seasons for other teams?

    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/10/1/6874725/nfl-coaches-hot-seat-dennis-allen-teams-ranked

    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/12/nfl-one-and-done-chudzinski-carroll-mora-schottenheimer

    @clevfan4life said:

    Like Pettine or not we're stuck with him...

    Then it's a good thing we like him.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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  • I kinda mean over the last 15 years or so.

    (2nd link didn't work)

    WSS

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  • I think We have the right coach.. wrong owner..

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~

  • The only coach on that list I thought was okay was Mangini. It's not a surprise to me to hear he's getting interviews for a HC gig around the league right now. Pettine showed some good things but got marred in a QB carousel. Worst on that list by far was Pat "deer in the headlights" Shurmer. No matter what the fuck happened bad on the field Shurmer had this look on his face like he was just baffled he was there.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @westside-steve said:

    I do wonder, maybe the Gipper or somebody could look this up, but around the league what's the average occurrence of coaches lasting less than two seasons for other teams?

    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/10/1/6874725/nfl-coaches-hot-seat-dennis-allen-teams-ranked

    http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/12/nfl-one-and-done-chudzinski-carroll-mora-schottenheimer

    @clevfan4life said:

    Like Pettine or not we're stuck with him...

    Then it's a good thing we like him.

    @tour2ma said:

    yes it most certainly is a good thing.

  • As far as Shurmur goes, I wasn't enamored with him...but the last time I really thought the Browns were really brewing something on defense was under Shurmur. I initially did not like that we were switching schemes again from Mangini's 3-4 but honestly I really thought the 4-3 we were developing under Shurmur was going to be special. While I didn't hate Hortons 3-4 we ran that year I still thought it was a step back from what we were building the previous two years. So I give Shurmur and his staff some credit. And what I thought even back then was that even if a coach shows some sideline misjudgements, how do his players relate to him...and to a man that lockeroom was behind Shurmur. I don't have much doubt that given two more years under him we might still have been playoff contenders this year. Continuity and consistency trump everything. Pettine has to be here for years to come.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    I think we've had the "Coach" three times...

    Davis was just a terrible GM.

    Mangini was just in Holmgren's way.

    Pet looks to be the best we've seen.

    @tour2ma said:

    I think we've had the "Coach" three times...

    Davis was just a terrible GM.

    Mangini was just in Holmgren's way.

    Pet looks to be the best we've seen.

    Copy that.

  • L larryfine

    The greatest coach in the history of the Browns was Sam Rigatoni. They should see if he would come out of retirement to coach again.

    @larryfine said:

    The greatest coach in the history of the Browns was Sam Rigatoni. They should see if he would come out of retirement to coach again.

    That is a bad idea.....but you are making me hungry now for some pasta.

  • Davis was a nincompoop..

    Mangini was an asshole..

    Pettine gets it...

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~

  • I think Pettine is the right guy and Farmer could be the right guy if Haslam leaves his checkbook behind and visits a monastery, taking a vow of silence for the summer.

    GO BROWNS !

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