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  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    take shanahan and put manziel under his arm on the way out the door.

    D BoneD D Bone wrote on
    #13

    @miktoxic said:

    take shanahan and put manziel under his arm on the way out the door.

    or in his pocket

  • W Westside Steve

    The offense we were in almost all year was certainly not tailored for Johnny Manziel. They changed up the game plan when they put him in against Cincinnati. (which I think fucked up the rest of the team) The run first offense was designed to take the spotlight off of Brian Hoyer. When the running game kicked ass it was good enough.

    No idea why a vanilla run offense wouldn't be a good idea especially if there were a few changes of pace for a quarterback scramble or something like that.

    WSS

    Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on
    #14

    @westside-steve said:

    The offense we were in almost all year was certainly not tailored for Johnny Manziel. They changed up the game plan when they put him in against Cincinnati. (which I think fucked up the rest of the team) The run first offense was designed to take the spotlight off of Brian Hoyer. When the running game kicked ass it was good enough.

    No idea why a vanilla run offense wouldn't be a good idea especially if there were a few changes of pace for a quarterback scramble or something like that.

    WSS

    I agree & that certainly didn't help Johnny either.

    Mike

    IN DORSEY I TRUST
  • bbedwardB bbedward wrote on
    #15

    Let's get Peyton Manning to retire and become our oc. Rumor has it he's been looking at properties in Strongsville.

    MudflyM 1 Reply
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  • W Westside Steve

    The offense we were in almost all year was certainly not tailored for Johnny Manziel. They changed up the game plan when they put him in against Cincinnati. (which I think fucked up the rest of the team) The run first offense was designed to take the spotlight off of Brian Hoyer. When the running game kicked ass it was good enough.

    No idea why a vanilla run offense wouldn't be a good idea especially if there were a few changes of pace for a quarterback scramble or something like that.

    WSS

    Z Zombo wrote on
    #16

    @westside-steve said:

    The offense we were in almost all year was certainly not tailored for Johnny Manziel. They changed up the game plan when they put him in against Cincinnati. (which I think fucked up the rest of the team) The run first offense was designed to take the spotlight off of Brian Hoyer. When the running game kicked ass it was good enough.

    No idea why a vanilla run offense wouldn't be a good idea especially if there were a few changes of pace for a quarterback scramble or something like that.

    WSS

    Of course he had a different game plan for Hoyer than Manziel.

    But the zone blocking, play-action offense works well with someone of Manziel's skillset.

    A vertical passing game, like we had with Norv Turner, would not.

    I am confident Shannahan could design an offense around Johnny. Whether Johnny is going to be prepared enough, good enough, and mentally engaged enough to be an NFL success is another thing.

    Let's hope so. I hope Shanny is back.

    Zombo

  • Z Zombo

    @westside-steve said:

    The offense we were in almost all year was certainly not tailored for Johnny Manziel. They changed up the game plan when they put him in against Cincinnati. (which I think fucked up the rest of the team) The run first offense was designed to take the spotlight off of Brian Hoyer. When the running game kicked ass it was good enough.

    No idea why a vanilla run offense wouldn't be a good idea especially if there were a few changes of pace for a quarterback scramble or something like that.

    WSS

    Of course he had a different game plan for Hoyer than Manziel.

    But the zone blocking, play-action offense works well with someone of Manziel's skillset.

    A vertical passing game, like we had with Norv Turner, would not.

    I am confident Shannahan could design an offense around Johnny. Whether Johnny is going to be prepared enough, good enough, and mentally engaged enough to be an NFL success is another thing.

    Let's hope so. I hope Shanny is back.

    Zombo

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #17

    Zombo said:

    But the zone blocking, play-action offense works well with someone of Manziel's skillset.

    Except... with Manziel the fakes shifted to read-option looks out of the pistol from the drop back, "ball on hip" ball skills Hoyer showed. The change produced far less effective fakes. In the Buffalo game JM was effective ball faking on drop backs... at least for one drive.

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  • bbedwardB bbedward

    Let's get Peyton Manning to retire and become our oc. Rumor has it he's been looking at properties in Strongsville.

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #18

    @bbedward said:

    Let's get Peyton Manning to retire and become our oc. Rumor has it he's been looking at properties in Strongsville.

    Ha!..Peyton and his family are buddies with Jimmy Haslam, who is a Tennessee fanatic and supporter. Someday this could actually happen....you never know

    Which is another reason Im not 100% sold on the whole Haslam/Manziel manlove thing....Because of their association, I've always thought of mr button down Peyton Manning as being Haslems kind of guy, not jff

  • gumby73G gumby73 wrote on
    #19

    Sorry peeps all I read is MIKE Shanny,Father to KYLE Shanny.To interview for H C at 49'er.Still in pistol and running on first down..

    Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends
  • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on
    #20

    http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/1/3/7483807/49ers-head-coach-candidates-kyle-shanahan-interview-request

  • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on
    #21

    They are also interviewing Mike so I could see Kyle heading that way if daddy gets the job.

  • gumby73G gumby73 wrote on
    #22

    thanks 4squares, any chance is a chance, still don't see it unless Mike daddy HC. Good experience for Kyle to interview above his head though..

    Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends
  • P Pumpkin Eater wrote on
    #23

    Why are you still here everlastingqueer? Thought you left to go root for the cowqueers full time

    :neutral_face:
  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #24

    I keep reading these Shanahan reports, but agree that they all seem to be Mike Shanahan and not Kyle. So a lot of these posts are confusing to me, as I've not seen anything about Kyle(our shanahan) talking to anyone or anyone requesting permission....

    which leads to lateral moves VS upward moves......

    I dont think Kyle can leave or even be interviewed for another OC job while he's under contract(lateral move)....unless the Browns give permission....so, even if his Dad does score a job, he cant just up and go there unless we release him from his contract.....

    I do, however, think he can interview or accept a HC job, because its an upward move.....so, IF another team is talking to him, it's about HC not OC.....

  • MudflyM Mudfly

    I keep reading these Shanahan reports, but agree that they all seem to be Mike Shanahan and not Kyle. So a lot of these posts are confusing to me, as I've not seen anything about Kyle(our shanahan) talking to anyone or anyone requesting permission....

    which leads to lateral moves VS upward moves......

    I dont think Kyle can leave or even be interviewed for another OC job while he's under contract(lateral move)....unless the Browns give permission....so, even if his Dad does score a job, he cant just up and go there unless we release him from his contract.....

    I do, however, think he can interview or accept a HC job, because its an upward move.....so, IF another team is talking to him, it's about HC not OC.....

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #25

    @mudfly said:

    I keep reading these Shanahan reports, but agree that they all seem to be Mike Shanahan and not Kyle. So a lot of these posts are confusing to me, as I've not seen anything about Kyle(our shanahan) talking to anyone or anyone requesting permission....

    Yeah...there is that.

    As for Kyle... stepping back into Daddy's shadow would be a terrible career move. He would be hard-pressed to come up with a worse one.

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  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @mudfly said:

    I keep reading these Shanahan reports, but agree that they all seem to be Mike Shanahan and not Kyle. So a lot of these posts are confusing to me, as I've not seen anything about Kyle(our shanahan) talking to anyone or anyone requesting permission....

    Yeah...there is that.

    As for Kyle... stepping back into Daddy's shadow would be a terrible career move. He would be hard-pressed to come up with a worse one.

    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #26

    @tour2ma said:

    Yeah...there is that.

    As for Kyle... stepping back into Daddy's shadow would be a terrible career move. He would be hard-pressed to come up with a worse one.

    Yep.....I dont see any upside either.....and can see a lot of reasons why he and Daddy shouldn't go there.....

    No smoke. No fire. Just media speculation.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on
    #27

    until now.....

    http://bleacherreport.com/tb/dfK5Z?utm_source=teamstream&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=tsandroid

  • MudflyM Mudfly wrote on
    #28

    sounds like he might be out the door one way or another.....cause I think the Browns would make him stay if they wanted him....and he would want to stay if things were going well.....so.....

  • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on
    #29

    I would like Shanahan back for continuity's sake but I wouldn't be too upset if he was replaced by someone who could keep a consistent rhythm in the offense. It was like the guy would short circuit when something was going well.

    "Man, all of this running and play action is going well. Derp derp time for a reverse."

  • bbedwardB bbedward wrote on
    #30

    No problem with replacing Shanahan, depending on the replacement. Keeping him for continuity sake not good enough Imo.

  • Z Zombo wrote on
    #31

    Typical Mary Kay article ... just a lot of conjecture.

    Z

  • KvoetheK Kvoethe wrote on
    #32

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12129878/kyle-shanahan-soured-cleveland-browns-friction-report-said

    Sounds like he is tired of the bs with the owner trying to call the shots....I hope we don't have a budding Jerry Jones or Al Davis in the making.

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