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  • Mark OM Mark O

    QB was an improvement over last year. As bad as Hoyer looked for a few weeks, he looked decent for several weeks and decent is miles above anything Weedon gave us last season.

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    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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    @mark-o said:

    QB was an improvement over last year. As bad as Hoyer looked for a few weeks, he looked decent for several weeks and decent is miles above anything Weedon gave us last season.

    Plus if the same D-line warrants a "0", then it escapes me as to how 4-times more starts by the best QB of the five on the combined roster can net a "-1".

    Then again, you listened to Steve... so that explains a lot. 🙂

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      bbedwardB bbedward wrote on last edited by
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      I think it's pretty obvious we got better. Just need to continue the trend.

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      • Tour2maT Tour2ma

        @mark-o said:

        QB was an improvement over last year. As bad as Hoyer looked for a few weeks, he looked decent for several weeks and decent is miles above anything Weedon gave us last season.

        Plus if the same D-line warrants a "0", then it escapes me as to how 4-times more starts by the best QB of the five on the combined roster can net a "-1".

        Then again, you listened to Steve... so that explains a lot. 🙂

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        W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by Westside Steve
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        @tour2ma said:

        Plus if the same D-line warrants a "0", then it escapes me as to how 4-times more starts by the best QB of the five on the combined roster can net a "-1".

        Then again, you listened to Steve... so that explains a lot. 🙂

        His post was before mine but it's always a good idea to listen to me.

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        "I'm always right and I never lie."

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          @mark-o said:

          QB was an improvement over last year. As bad as Hoyer looked for a few weeks, he looked decent for several weeks and decent is miles above anything Weedon gave us last season.

          Plus if the same D-line warrants a "0", then it escapes me as to how 4-times more starts by the best QB of the five on the combined roster can net a "-1".

          Then again, you listened to Steve... so that explains a lot. 🙂

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          MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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          @tour2ma said:

          Plus if the same D-line warrants a "0", then it escapes me as to how 4-times more starts by the best QB of the five on the combined roster can net a "-1".

          Then again, you listened to Steve... so that explains a lot. 🙂

          Im just comparing roster spots...not starts or performance.....so Hoyer 2013 = Hoyer 2014 (a wash)...then it's #1 pick weeden VS #1 pick Manziel (and Weeden wins)....then it's Campbell VS Shaw (and, at this point, Campbell wins)....so, in the end, if I had to field a team to win a game today, I d rather have the 3 from 2013 than the 3 from 2014

          And listening isnt bad if it allows you to reassess and be objective.....

          @westside-steve said:

          "I'm always right and I never lie."

          Hey....I resemble that comment......

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            R RoyceRolls wrote on last edited by
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            While I'm not a Manziel guy, I still thank god every day that Weeden isn't on the team. I genuinely hope that Retard gets the worst kind of cancer on top of AIDS. Fuck Brandon Weeden.

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            • bbedwardB bbedward

              I think it's pretty obvious we got better. Just need to continue the trend.

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              T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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              @bbedward said:

              I think it's pretty obvious we got better. Just need to continue the trend.

              Bingo! We have a winner. I like this thread. Much more positive than most I have seen here since joining the "family".

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                The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                VesnaKociper said:

                This isn't a matter of someone being positive or negative. All this horseshit +1, -1 analysis is just that, horseshit.

                At 6-3 the Browns were energized and on an upward trend. At 7 - 9 the entire franchise was disorganized and I don't give a fuck who you are or how much you think you know about football, but it is impossible to point to ANY positive aspect of this team and project that we will recapture those things, PLUS add improvements.

                There is nothing about this team that indicates where we will be next year. As it is, continuity in the NFL is hard to find, but on the Browns? The franchise is a mess.

                I don't think the franchise was a disorganized mess. They had crucial injuries....expecially to Alex Mack and on the defense......and their QB situation turned into a disorganized mess. But that was just that one critical position. Had Brian Hoyer continued to play the way he did in the first half of the season, this would have been a fairly successful year. But he didn't.

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                  Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                  Well.... it was, Ag...

                  VesnaKociper said:

                  ... it is impossible to point to ANY positive aspect of this team and project that we will recapture those things, PLUS add improvements.

                  ====> O-line <====

                  Not only not impossible, but did it twice... in the same line.

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                    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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                    VesnaKociper said:

                    This isn't a matter of someone being positive or negative. All this horseshit +1, -1 analysis is just that, horseshit.

                    There is nothing about this team that indicates where we will be next year.

                    There is nothing about this thread that indicates where we will be next year either.....did you even read it?

                    It's simply a roster comparison to last year...no projections....just a look back to discuss

                    Conversely, your post is negative horseshit.....

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                      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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                      2:10 mark...

                      "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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