rotoworld ranks the free agents
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What is your collective opinions on the Browns players on this list. Should they stay or should they go?:
Unrestricted:
Hoyer
Cameron
Rubin
Skrine
Restricted:
Gipson
Kitchen
I hate having to acquire FAs just to replace the guys we lost....unless it is an upgrade (see Dansby vs. DQwell).
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What is your collective opinions on the Browns players on this list. Should they stay or should they go?:
Unrestricted:
Hoyer
Cameron
Rubin
Skrine
Restricted:
Gipson
Kitchen
I hate having to acquire FAs just to replace the guys we lost....unless it is an upgrade (see Dansby vs. DQwell).
What is your collective opinions on the Browns players on this list. Should they stay or should they go?:
Unrestricted:
Hoyer - tricky, but there aren't better alternative veterans out there. if he'll take a performance based deal then do it
Cameron - I'd let him go
Rubin - gone
Skrine - keep
Restricted:
Gipson - no brainer
Kitchen - keep, if Rubin's gone
I hate having to acquire FAs just to replace the guys we lost....unless it is an upgrade (see Dansby vs. DQwell).
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We should not draft WR in the first
Patterson for the Vikings was a first-rounder.. and is a complete bust. The reason you draft OL/DL and buy WR is that the WR are proven.
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What is your collective opinions on the Browns players on this list. Should they stay or should they go?:
Unrestricted:
Hoyer......Go. ...Dont think he's the one to take us to the promised land. So, lets keep searching....
Cameron...Go....Injury prone and likely too expensive. If the price is right, then fine.....but ....
Rubin ......Go.....too expensive again......
Skrine.....Go....hate to say it.....he clearly doesnt want to be a nickle back and thats what the Browns want him to be....he'll pull too much money to be kept as a reserve and the Browns are deep at CB...so I expect little effort to sign him...
Restricted:
Gipson..Stay.....the only one in this group that I think we'll keep/////
Kitchen...Go.....the D line was terrible and needs an upgrade....and Kitchen is at the bottom of the list, so it seems logical that he'd go...no?
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I'd like Hoyer (depending on $, if not, Locker or trade for Foles)
Kuhn
Cameron (depending on $, plus drafting a better "blocking" TE and moving Cameron to more of a WR)
Backup C (draft RT in round 1 or 2)
Houston (not depending on $)
Kitchen
Robertson
Gipson
Skrine
Any kicker
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Fairly already has a rep for not playing hard. Could be the next Haynesworth. I pass. And I still cannot bring myself to pay as much for a D-lineman as Suh will cost.
Names I like:
O: Helu (RB); Austin (WR); Daniels (TE); Bulaga (OT); Iupati/ Colon (OG)
Foote (ILB)One other D-line I find intriguing is Umenyiora. Big fall off in 2014 but not sure how much was the mess that was ATL.
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Fairly already has a rep for not playing hard. Could be the next Haynesworth. I pass. And I still cannot bring myself to pay as much for a D-lineman as Suh will cost.
Names I like:
O: Helu (RB); Austin (WR); Daniels (TE); Bulaga (OT); Iupati/ Colon (OG)
Foote (ILB)One other D-line I find intriguing is Umenyiora. Big fall off in 2014 but not sure how much was the mess that was ATL.
One other D-line I find intriguing is Umenyiora. Big fall off in 2014 but not sure how much was the mess that was ATL.
what position did you have in mind for him on our 3-4? Maybe in his prime he could have played the 5 tech but otherwise he seems to be a 1 dimensional pass rusher which on a 4-3 is acceptable....but if you all think our D line is responsible for poor run defense, staff it with guys like Umen and see what happens.
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One other D-line I find intriguing is Umenyiora. Big fall off in 2014 but not sure how much was the mess that was ATL.
what position did you have in mind for him on our 3-4? Maybe in his prime he could have played the 5 tech but otherwise he seems to be a 1 dimensional pass rusher which on a 4-3 is acceptable....but if you all think our D line is responsible for poor run defense, staff it with guys like Umen and see what happens.
what position did you have in mind for him on our 3-4? Maybe in his prime he could have played the 5 tech but otherwise he seems to be a 1 dimensional pass rusher which on a 4-3 is acceptable....but if you all think our D line is responsible for poor run defense, staff it with guys like Umen and see what happens.
Situational pass rusher...
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what position did you have in mind for him on our 3-4? Maybe in his prime he could have played the 5 tech but otherwise he seems to be a 1 dimensional pass rusher which on a 4-3 is acceptable....but if you all think our D line is responsible for poor run defense, staff it with guys like Umen and see what happens.
Situational pass rusher...
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What is your collective opinions on the Browns players on this list. Should they stay or should they go?:
Unrestricted:
Hoyer......Go. ...Dont think he's the one to take us to the promised land. So, lets keep searching....
Cameron...Go....Injury prone and likely too expensive. If the price is right, then fine.....but ....
Rubin ......Go.....too expensive again......
Skrine.....Go....hate to say it.....he clearly doesnt want to be a nickle back and thats what the Browns want him to be....he'll pull too much money to be kept as a reserve and the Browns are deep at CB...so I expect little effort to sign him...
Restricted:
Gipson..Stay.....the only one in this group that I think we'll keep/////
Kitchen...Go.....the D line was terrible and needs an upgrade....and Kitchen is at the bottom of the list, so it seems logical that he'd go...no?
What is your collective opinions on the Browns players on this list. Should they stay or should they go?:
Unrestricted:
Hoyer......Go. ...Dont think he's the one to take us to the promised land. So, lets keep searching....
I dont think that guy is out there in FA either. I dont see us taking qb high again....
Skrine.....Go....hate to say it.....he clearly doesnt want to be a nickle back and thats what the Browns want him to be....he'll pull too much money to be kept as a reserve and the Browns are deep at CB...so I expect little effort to sign him...
Do you have a link on Skrine not wanting to be the nickel or dime back? I have never heard a peep good or bad from Skrine. His progression from year to year is amazing. If he was 3 inches taller he'd be one of the elites IMO. The browns cant get hime to the nickel position cause they never have that other corner.
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I cant find the exact quote, but here is a video of him and if you listen closely you can pick up...
#1) that he's not so sure he'll be back. He says things like "I'd like to come back, but....."
#2) then he says the CB and nickle are 2 totally different positions, with different skills....
#3) then he says that where ever he goes, he plans to start at CB.....(which tells me he doesn't want to play nickle)
And that last line(#3) is the telling one....because I think, just like Hoyer felt the Browns wanted Manziel at #1, Skrine feels like they want Gilbert at #1.....so, does he sign here where the coaches are pushing for their type of guys(Gilbert & Desir) to succeed or does he go to a team where he will be coveted as a starter and not just be holding the position till the rooks get better?
Here's the link to his interview.....whats your take?
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I cant find the exact quote, but here is a video of him and if you listen closely you can pick up...
#1) that he's not so sure he'll be back. He says things like "I'd like to come back, but....."
#2) then he says the CB and nickle are 2 totally different positions, with different skills....
#3) then he says that where ever he goes, he plans to start at CB.....(which tells me he doesn't want to play nickle)
And that last line(#3) is the telling one....because I think, just like Hoyer felt the Browns wanted Manziel at #1, Skrine feels like they want Gilbert at #1.....so, does he sign here where the coaches are pushing for their type of guys(Gilbert & Desir) to succeed or does he go to a team where he will be coveted as a starter and not just be holding the position till the rooks get better?
Here's the link to his interview.....whats your take?
I cant find the exact quote, but here is a video of him and if you listen closely you can pick up...
#1) that he's not so sure he'll be back. He says things like "I'd like to come back, but....."
#2) then he says the CB and nickle are 2 totally different positions, with different skills....
#3) then he says that where ever he goes, he plans to start at CB.....(which tells me he doesn't want to play nickle)
And that last line(#3) is the telling one....because I think, just like Hoyer felt the Browns wanted Manziel at #1, Skrine feels like they want Gilbert at #1.....so, does he sign here where the coaches are pushing for their type of guys(Gilbert & Desir) to succeed or does he go to a team where he will be coveted as a starter and not just be holding the position till the rooks get better?
Here's the link to his interview.....whats your take?
Skrine is good enough to be a starting CB and will get offered money I believe at the #2 CB level. It's a matter then of deciding if it's worth it to pay him or if they think Williams/Gilbert/Desir are strong enough to fill that role.
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I cant find the exact quote, but here is a video of him and if you listen closely you can pick up...
#1) that he's not so sure he'll be back. He says things like "I'd like to come back, but....."
#2) then he says the CB and nickle are 2 totally different positions, with different skills....
#3) then he says that where ever he goes, he plans to start at CB.....(which tells me he doesn't want to play nickle)
And that last line(#3) is the telling one....because I think, just like Hoyer felt the Browns wanted Manziel at #1, Skrine feels like they want Gilbert at #1.....so, does he sign here where the coaches are pushing for their type of guys(Gilbert & Desir) to succeed or does he go to a team where he will be coveted as a starter and not just be holding the position till the rooks get better?
Here's the link to his interview.....whats your take?
Skrine is good enough to be a starting CB and will get offered money I believe at the #2 CB level. It's a matter then of deciding if it's worth it to pay him or if they think Williams/Gilbert/Desir are strong enough to fill that role.
Skrine is good enough to be a starting CB and will get offered money I believe at the #2 CB level. It's a matter then of deciding if it's worth it to pay him or if they think Williams/Gilbert/Desir are strong enough to fill that role.
exactly....and thats where I think the Browns will have issues...do they pay that money to him while they are paying #1 money to Gilbert?...and do they project him to play ahead of Gilbert & Desir???(which is a big one)....cause if they think Desir and/or Gilbert are starter types, I dont see them paying Skrine....
I do know Pettine likes him and highly values DB's.....it's just a matter of how much Farmer likes him and is will pay him to possibly be a backup or nickle....
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I would hate to lose Skrine, but Gipson is the priority man in the secondary
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I would hate to lose Skrine, but Gipson is the priority man in the secondary
Yep...but I cant see a scenario where we dont sign Gipson....he's restricted, so we get matching rights for any offers he gets(like Mack)....
Honestly, I expect the Browns to make him a priority and at least try to sign him right away....preventing him from even seeking other offers....
It appears he wants to stay and isn't all about the money.....so maybe a fair - solid offer gets him early in the process.....
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I would hate to lose Skrine, but Gipson is the priority man in the secondary
Yep...but I cant see a scenario where we dont sign Gipson....he's restricted, so we get matching rights for any offers he gets(like Mack)....
Honestly, I expect the Browns to make him a priority and at least try to sign him right away....preventing him from even seeking other offers....
It appears he wants to stay and isn't all about the money.....so maybe a fair - solid offer gets him early in the process.....
Yep...but I cant see a scenario where we dont sign Gipson....he's restricted, so we get matching rights for any offers he gets(like Mack)....
Honestly, I expect the Browns to make him a priority and at least try to sign him right away....preventing him from even seeking other offers....
It appears he wants to stay and isn't all about the money.....so maybe a fair - solid offer gets him early in the process.....
you pay for performance, and that guy performed over and above everyone's expectations.
another costly injury this year.
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