John Fox out in Denver!
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Probably- but for how long? Willing to settle for one and done in the Playoffs? Elway apparently isn't.
Like I said....you go into it knowing that it is a transition period.......like with Gary Danielson and BK.....except we gotta figure out who our BK is.
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Why would manning want to mentor that douche? Mannings kicked him out of their program not too long ago.
Because maybe he would like to have a legacy as a mentor.....and because JH asks him to.
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Because maybe he would like to have a legacy as a mentor.....and because JH asks him to.
Fool me once fool me twice my man. The only thing consistent that this kid wants to excel at is partying. He's been a let down time and time again.
I'd understand wanting to give time to someone who's made mistakes if they at least have an upside. But this kid hasn't shown an ounce of an NFL qb. Yet the same stupid mistakes continue.
Who wants to hitch their wagon to that?
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Didn't JFF go to the Manning QB camp and then get sent home early for missing meetings????......It makes me wonder what Peytons honest opinion of him is?
Im sure, after his amazing career and ALL the options that will be presented to him, hitching his wagon to Manziel and the Browns wont be at the top of his list.....just a hunch
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I thought you were trolling with that awesome OL comment...but then it appears you weren't. I'm confused. You really think our line as is wouldn't get him killed? We don't know what Mack is going to be like next season coming off the injury, but even with him 100% Manning would have to check down to his right on every play to make sure some edge guy isn't coming free for his old ass. I'd love me some Peyton Manning in Cleveland but we'd have to make an invest in that right side of the line.
Not trolling. With Mack, we had a top 5 OL - I'm not sure why all the Schwartz hate? He's no JT, but he is far from terrible.
Not trolling. With Mack, we had a top 5 OL - I'm not sure why all the Schwartz hate? He's no JT, but he is far from terrible.
there were a couple instances early in the season before Mack went down where a DL basically followed Hoyer into the backfield for a stop and chat at the handoff. Plenty of guys came flying around that right side all season long, it wasn't good. I'm willing to give that right side one more year but we need their backups/replacements on the roster by the start of TC. We can't wing it anymore and just hope for the best.
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I thought you were trolling with that awesome OL comment...but then it appears you weren't. I'm confused. You really think our line as is wouldn't get him killed? We don't know what Mack is going to be like next season coming off the injury, but even with him 100% Manning would have to check down to his right on every play to make sure some edge guy isn't coming free for his old ass. I'd love me some Peyton Manning in Cleveland but we'd have to make an invest in that right side of the line.
Not trolling. With Mack, we had a top 5 OL - I'm not sure why all the Schwartz hate? He's no JT, but he is far from terrible.
Not trolling. With Mack, we had a top 5 OL - I'm not sure why all the Schwartz hate? He's no JT, but he is far from terrible.
Im with you.....even with all the problems we had after Mack went down, we still finished as the #6 best lIne in the NFL....
and 4 of our starters grade out at the top....Mack was grading out as the #1 center, Thomas is thomas, Schwartz rated #32 of ALL tackles and #13 on the right and Bitonio looks like a perennial Pro-bowl type of player.....so, we need depth yes....but think we are solid with our starters....who were the #1 line until Mack went down...
So...when healthy.....our line is #1..... Why invest in upgrading the starters with so many other areas in need?
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Not trolling. With Mack, we had a top 5 OL - I'm not sure why all the Schwartz hate? He's no JT, but he is far from terrible.
Im with you.....even with all the problems we had after Mack went down, we still finished as the #6 best lIne in the NFL....
and 4 of our starters grade out at the top....Mack was grading out as the #1 center, Thomas is thomas, Schwartz rated #32 of ALL tackles and #13 on the right and Bitonio looks like a perennial Pro-bowl type of player.....so, we need depth yes....but think we are solid with our starters....who were the #1 line until Mack went down...
So...when healthy.....our line is #1..... Why invest in upgrading the starters with so many other areas in need?
Im with you.....even with all the problems we had after Mack went down, we still finished as the #6 best lIne in the NFL....
and 4 of our starters grade out at the top....Mack was grading out as the #1 center, Thomas is thomas, Schwartz rated #32 of ALL tackles and #13 on the right and Bitonio looks like a perennial Pro-bowl type of player.....so, we need depth yes....but think we are solid with our starters....who were the #1 line until Mack went down...
So...when healthy.....our line is #1..... Why invest in upgrading the starters with so many other areas in need?
I'm assuming you watched the same games as everyone else right? The line had it's moments but they gave up some eye openingly bad plays. I've seen some bad o line play in Cleveland in the last 16 years but I'd never before seen a defensive lineman meet our QB and RB at the handoff before...and it happened a couple times. It's something that if it happens once a season it's cause for concern...happening 2-3 times a season though makes you go uh wut now? I'd like to have your optimism that our O line will be "just fine" but we've seen our line make major regressions in just one year.
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Like I said....you go into it knowing that it is a transition period.......like with Gary Danielson and BK.....except we gotta figure out who our BK is.
Um, he's currently a quarterback at Ohio State- went to Glenville- I think you know who I'm talking about.
Fool me once fool me twice my man. The only thing consistent that this kid wants to excel at is partying. He's been a let down time and time again.
I'd understand wanting to give time to someone who's made mistakes if they at least have an upside. But this kid hasn't shown an ounce of an NFL qb. Yet the same stupid mistakes continue.
Who wants to hitch their wagon to that?
When Johnny comes marching home again from his ski trip in Aspen- he has until April 30th to prove he's more committed to being an NFL quarterback than a party hearty. Right now, it's not looking good.
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Because maybe he would like to have a legacy as a mentor.....and because JH asks him to.
Fool me once fool me twice my man. The only thing consistent that this kid wants to excel at is partying. He's been a let down time and time again.
I'd understand wanting to give time to someone who's made mistakes if they at least have an upside. But this kid hasn't shown an ounce of an NFL qb. Yet the same stupid mistakes continue.
Who wants to hitch their wagon to that?
Fool me once fool me twice my man. The only thing consistent that this kid wants to excel at is partying. He's been a let down time and time again.
I'd understand wanting to give time to someone who's made mistakes if they at least have an upside. But this kid hasn't shown an ounce of an NFL qb. Yet the same stupid mistakes continue.
Who wants to hitch their wagon to that?
Well, lets look at it this way: Johnny Manziel IS going to be a QB for the Cleveland Browns next year.
No one else will want him and the Browns ain't going to cut him. So he will be here.
Thus, the Browns need to make the best of a bad situation.....and we all have to realize that having JFF here is going to be our fate.
So the team has to try something.....not just wash their hands. of it. And so do we.
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Like I said....you go into it knowing that it is a transition period.......like with Gary Danielson and BK.....except we gotta figure out who our BK is.
Um, he's currently a quarterback at Ohio State- went to Glenville- I think you know who I'm talking about.
Fool me once fool me twice my man. The only thing consistent that this kid wants to excel at is partying. He's been a let down time and time again.
I'd understand wanting to give time to someone who's made mistakes if they at least have an upside. But this kid hasn't shown an ounce of an NFL qb. Yet the same stupid mistakes continue.
Who wants to hitch their wagon to that?
When Johnny comes marching home again from his ski trip in Aspen- he has until April 30th to prove he's more committed to being an NFL quarterback than a party hearty. Right now, it's not looking good.
Um, he's currently a quarterback at Ohio State- went to Glenville- I think you know who I'm talking about.
What round do you take him?
When Johnny comes marching home again from his ski trip in Aspen- he has until April 30th to prove he's more committed to being an NFL quarterback than a party hearty. Right now, it's not looking good.
Maybe we can put Cardale together with JFF to get one badass unit:
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Oh... and I've rethought the whole "Peyton mentor JM" thing...
JM might not survive the first week.
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Fool me once fool me twice my man. The only thing consistent that this kid wants to excel at is partying. He's been a let down time and time again.
I'd understand wanting to give time to someone who's made mistakes if they at least have an upside. But this kid hasn't shown an ounce of an NFL qb. Yet the same stupid mistakes continue.
Who wants to hitch their wagon to that?
Well, lets look at it this way: Johnny Manziel IS going to be a QB for the Cleveland Browns next year.
No one else will want him and the Browns ain't going to cut him. So he will be here.
Thus, the Browns need to make the best of a bad situation.....and we all have to realize that having JFF here is going to be our fate.
So the team has to try something.....not just wash their hands. of it. And so do we.
Well, lets look at it this way: Johnny Manziel IS going to be a QB for the Cleveland Browns next year.
No one else will want him and the Browns ain't going to cut him. So he will be here.
Thus, the Browns need to make the best of a bad situation.....and we all have to realize that having JFF here is going to be our fate.
So the team has to try something.....not just wash their hands. of it. And so do we.
That is true. And I have to agree with you that the browns have to try their best with him.
What I'm just saying is why would manning want to take a chance with this guy?
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Well, lets look at it this way: Johnny Manziel IS going to be a QB for the Cleveland Browns next year.
No one else will want him and the Browns ain't going to cut him. So he will be here.
Thus, the Browns need to make the best of a bad situation.....and we all have to realize that having JFF here is going to be our fate.
So the team has to try something.....not just wash their hands. of it. And so do we.
That is true. And I have to agree with you that the browns have to try their best with him.
What I'm just saying is why would manning want to take a chance with this guy?
What I'm just saying is why would manning want to take a chance with this guy?
my thoughts too......the guy is completely marketable and can go anywhere and do just about ANYTHING he wants right now.....
of ALL his options, does anyone think coaching JFF or playing for the Browns are anywhere even remotely close to the top of his list???
Seriously?
hahahaha
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Um, he's currently a quarterback at Ohio State- went to Glenville- I think you know who I'm talking about.
What round do you take him?
When Johnny comes marching home again from his ski trip in Aspen- he has until April 30th to prove he's more committed to being an NFL quarterback than a party hearty. Right now, it's not looking good.
Maybe we can put Cardale together with JFF to get one badass unit:
Um, he's currently a quarterback at Ohio State- went to Glenville- I think you know who I'm talking about.
What round do you take him?
When Johnny comes marching home again from his ski trip in Aspen- he has until April 30th to prove he's more committed to being an NFL quarterback than a party hearty. Right now, it's not looking good.
Maybe we can put Cardale together with JFF to get one badass unit:
What round? As high as necessary. Depends if he even declares- he has until today to decide.
Johnny is drinking himself out of the league.. Believe Me when I tell you.. He wont make it past OTA's and will subsequently be shown the door out of Cleveland... Wich cant happen fast enough.
Well it wasn't exactly Rocket Science to Google "Manziel Aspen" to see what he was up to. He was hoisting a few- or probably more than a few. Now to be fair, almost everyone has a few drinks- or more than a few drinks- when they're on a ski trip. One of my all time drunks involved a pitcher+ of Margaritas at Vail.
BUT Johnny Boy- Big Brother is most definitely watching, and you're not impressing him at all.
People think we can't dump Manziel because he was a first round pick. I say sure we can. I'll leave it up to our resident historian Gipper to find other first round picks that got unceremoniously dumped in short order.
EDIT: I did look- Lawrence Philips got released after one year- for misbehavior, no less.
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Um, he's currently a quarterback at Ohio State- went to Glenville- I think you know who I'm talking about.
What round do you take him?
When Johnny comes marching home again from his ski trip in Aspen- he has until April 30th to prove he's more committed to being an NFL quarterback than a party hearty. Right now, it's not looking good.
Maybe we can put Cardale together with JFF to get one badass unit:
What round? As high as necessary. Depends if he even declares- he has until today to decide.
Johnny is drinking himself out of the league.. Believe Me when I tell you.. He wont make it past OTA's and will subsequently be shown the door out of Cleveland... Wich cant happen fast enough.
Well it wasn't exactly Rocket Science to Google "Manziel Aspen" to see what he was up to. He was hoisting a few- or probably more than a few. Now to be fair, almost everyone has a few drinks- or more than a few drinks- when they're on a ski trip. One of my all time drunks involved a pitcher+ of Margaritas at Vail.
BUT Johnny Boy- Big Brother is most definitely watching, and you're not impressing him at all.
People think we can't dump Manziel because he was a first round pick. I say sure we can. I'll leave it up to our resident historian Gipper to find other first round picks that got unceremoniously dumped in short order.
EDIT: I did look- Lawrence Philips got released after one year- for misbehavior, no less.
.People think we can't dump Manziel because he was a first round pick. I say sure we can. I'll leave it up to our resident historian Gipper to find other first round picks that got unceremoniously dumped in short order.
EDIT: I did look- Lawrence Philips got released after one year- for misbehavior, no less.
.i heard one talking head the other day who said something very relevant to the brown's situation (although he was talking about the jets) he said it's more detrimental to a franchise to hold on to a top round 'maybe' guy and hope he becomes 'the' guy than to move on until you draft the person (finally) that is 'the' guy.
maybe the browns are waiting to see what he shows this OTA and TC. who knows maybe he made improvement. if not expect them to pick up the phone the first time a team calls whose QB went down, if he's not traded during the draft that is.
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Um, he's currently a quarterback at Ohio State- went to Glenville- I think you know who I'm talking about.
What round do you take him?
When Johnny comes marching home again from his ski trip in Aspen- he has until April 30th to prove he's more committed to being an NFL quarterback than a party hearty. Right now, it's not looking good.
Maybe we can put Cardale together with JFF to get one badass unit:
What round? As high as necessary. Depends if he even declares- he has until today to decide.
Johnny is drinking himself out of the league.. Believe Me when I tell you.. He wont make it past OTA's and will subsequently be shown the door out of Cleveland... Wich cant happen fast enough.
Well it wasn't exactly Rocket Science to Google "Manziel Aspen" to see what he was up to. He was hoisting a few- or probably more than a few. Now to be fair, almost everyone has a few drinks- or more than a few drinks- when they're on a ski trip. One of my all time drunks involved a pitcher+ of Margaritas at Vail.
BUT Johnny Boy- Big Brother is most definitely watching, and you're not impressing him at all.
People think we can't dump Manziel because he was a first round pick. I say sure we can. I'll leave it up to our resident historian Gipper to find other first round picks that got unceremoniously dumped in short order.
EDIT: I did look- Lawrence Philips got released after one year- for misbehavior, no less.
.What round? As high as necessary. Depends if he even declares- he has until today to decide.
Well it wasn't exactly Rocket Science to Google "Manziel Aspen" to see what he was up to. He was hoisting a few- or probably more than a few. Now to be fair, almost everyone has a few drinks- or more than a few drinks- when they're on a ski trip. One of my all time drunks involved a pitcher+ of Margaritas at Vail.
BUT Johnny Boy- Big Brother is most definitely watching, and you're not impressing him at all.
People think we can't dump Manziel because he was a first round pick. I say sure we can. I'll leave it up to our resident historian Gipper to find other first round picks that got unceremoniously dumped in short order.
EDIT: I did look- Lawrence Philips got released after one year- for misbehavior, no less.
.Look no further than Trent Richardson......I think you can call that trade a "dump". And Brandon Weeden. JFF will last here as long as he does.
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What round? As high as necessary. Depends if he even declares- he has until today to decide.
Well it wasn't exactly Rocket Science to Google "Manziel Aspen" to see what he was up to. He was hoisting a few- or probably more than a few. Now to be fair, almost everyone has a few drinks- or more than a few drinks- when they're on a ski trip. One of my all time drunks involved a pitcher+ of Margaritas at Vail.
BUT Johnny Boy- Big Brother is most definitely watching, and you're not impressing him at all.
People think we can't dump Manziel because he was a first round pick. I say sure we can. I'll leave it up to our resident historian Gipper to find other first round picks that got unceremoniously dumped in short order.
EDIT: I did look- Lawrence Philips got released after one year- for misbehavior, no less.
.Look no further than Trent Richardson......I think you can call that trade a "dump". And Brandon Weeden. JFF will last here as long as he does.
Look no further than Trent Richardson......I think you can call that trade a "dump". And Brandon Weeden. JFF will last here as long as he does.
Richardson was a 'hand-off' not a dump
Weeden was a steaming hot dump though. -
Look no further than Trent Richardson......I think you can call that trade a "dump". And Brandon Weeden. JFF will last here as long as he does.
Richardson was a 'hand-off' not a dump
Weeden was a steaming hot dump though.
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