What receiver do we go after in draft/FA?
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If Green-Beckham is available at 19 you make the move if not stay put with what you have and take a chance on Kenny Britt.
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Look at the date on it. I said that in August. I didn't know when we (or the Bills) would be picking
Look at the date on it. I said that in August. I didn't know when we (or the Bills) would be picking
Unfortunately Funchess is a lot like Braylon Edwards. Not saying he can't be very good but we know what happens to WRs in Cleveland with the drops.
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If Green-Beckham is available at 19 you make the move if not stay put with what you have and take a chance on Kenny Britt.
If Green-Beckham is available at 19 you make the move if not stay put with what you have and take a chance on Kenny Britt.
I fucking hope you're being sarcastic.
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If Green-Beckham is available at 19 you make the move if not stay put with what you have and take a chance on Kenny Britt.
I fucking hope you're being sarcastic.
I fucking hope you're being sarcastic.
Not at all. Unfortunately if they don't significantly upgrade the QB position, which I don't think they will, it makes no sense signing a FA WR to a large contract where you could use that cap money elsewhere. I don't see Jeremy Maclin or Demarius Thomas at $80 million really putting the Browns in playoff contention.
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Look at the date on it. I said that in August. I didn't know when we (or the Bills) would be picking
Unfortunately Funchess is a lot like Braylon Edwards. Not saying he can't be very good but we know what happens to WRs in Cleveland with the drops.
Unfortunately Funchess is a lot like Braylon Edwards. Not saying he can't be very good but we know what happens to WRs in Cleveland with the drops.
Braylon, in college, was much better than Funchess. Braylon was a dominant WR from the beginning at Michigan. He also holds the Browns record for TDs in a season and did have the record for yards until Gordon broke it. This idea that Braylon was some bust WR for the Browns is laughable. It is a shame is career was derailed by knee injuries.
Funchess has one season of WR under his belt. He is raw. He is basically a matchup nightmare with circus catch ability. He could work on his hands, no doubt, but he has a high ceiling. He also played this last season injured (and missed a few games) for an ankle injury. That didn't help his ability to move at all. That's without getting into the inconsistent QB play and shotty coaching.
I believe Funchess' stock will be heavily influenced by the combine. There isn't a ton of film on him. Even though he ended on a high note against OSU, he needs a strong combine performance. Come and and perform well in the drills, and run fast than expected, and he could be back in the first, instead of the early 2nd like he is now.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Unfortunately Funchess is a lot like Braylon Edwards. Not saying he can't be very good but we know what happens to WRs in Cleveland with the drops.
Braylon, in college, was much better than Funchess. Braylon was a dominant WR from the beginning at Michigan. He also holds the Browns record for TDs in a season and did have the record for yards until Gordon broke it. This idea that Braylon was some bust WR for the Browns is laughable. It is a shame is career was derailed by knee injuries.
Funchess has one season of WR under his belt. He is raw. He is basically a matchup nightmare with circus catch ability. He could work on his hands, no doubt, but he has a high ceiling. He also played this last season injured (and missed a few games) for an ankle injury. That didn't help his ability to move at all. That's without getting into the inconsistent QB play and shotty coaching.
I believe Funchess' stock will be heavily influenced by the combine. There isn't a ton of film on him. Even though he ended on a high note against OSU, he needs a strong combine performance. Come and and perform well in the drills, and run fast than expected, and he could be back in the first, instead of the early 2nd like he is now.
Braylon, in college, was much better than Funchess. Braylon was a dominant WR from the beginning at Michigan. He also holds the Browns record for TDs in a season and did have the record for yards until Gordon broke it. This idea that Braylon was some bust WR for the Browns is laughable. It is a shame is career was derailed by knee injuries.
Funchess has one season of WR under his belt. He is raw. He is basically a matchup nightmare with circus catch ability. He could work on his hands, no doubt, but he has a high ceiling. He also played this last season injured (and missed a few games) for an ankle injury. That didn't help his ability to move at all. That's without getting into the inconsistent QB play and shotty coaching.
I believe Funchess' stock will be heavily influenced by the combine. There isn't a ton of film on him. Even though he ended on a high note against OSU, he needs a strong combine performance. Come and and perform well in the drills, and run fast than expected, and he could be back in the first, instead of the early 2nd like he is now.
Braylon wasn't a bust but 23 drops in 2008 basically ushered him out of Cleveland. I agree that Funchess will be another "combine" guy and that scares me. I love the discussion of the Hoodie and Edleman, "I'm not sure what position you can play but I do know you can play football". For every Dontari Poe there seems to be 5 Courtney Browns.
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Braylon, in college, was much better than Funchess. Braylon was a dominant WR from the beginning at Michigan. He also holds the Browns record for TDs in a season and did have the record for yards until Gordon broke it. This idea that Braylon was some bust WR for the Browns is laughable. It is a shame is career was derailed by knee injuries.
Funchess has one season of WR under his belt. He is raw. He is basically a matchup nightmare with circus catch ability. He could work on his hands, no doubt, but he has a high ceiling. He also played this last season injured (and missed a few games) for an ankle injury. That didn't help his ability to move at all. That's without getting into the inconsistent QB play and shotty coaching.
I believe Funchess' stock will be heavily influenced by the combine. There isn't a ton of film on him. Even though he ended on a high note against OSU, he needs a strong combine performance. Come and and perform well in the drills, and run fast than expected, and he could be back in the first, instead of the early 2nd like he is now.
Braylon wasn't a bust but 23 drops in 2008 basically ushered him out of Cleveland. I agree that Funchess will be another "combine" guy and that scares me. I love the discussion of the Hoodie and Edleman, "I'm not sure what position you can play but I do know you can play football". For every Dontari Poe there seems to be 5 Courtney Browns.
Braylon wasn't a bust but 23 drops in 2008 basically ushered him out of Cleveland. I agree that Funchess will be another "combine" guy and that scares me. I love the discussion of the Hoodie and Edleman, "I'm not sure what position you can play but I do know you can play football". For every Dontari Poe there seems to be 5 Courtney Browns.
I think he is a combine guy in the sense that there isn't a lot of film on him at WR. He's kind of an unknown. As opposed to combine guys that we have a lot of film on, and then just have a great combine.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I fucking hope you're being sarcastic.
Not at all. Unfortunately if they don't significantly upgrade the QB position, which I don't think they will, it makes no sense signing a FA WR to a large contract where you could use that cap money elsewhere. I don't see Jeremy Maclin or Demarius Thomas at $80 million really putting the Browns in playoff contention.
Not at all. Unfortunately if they don't significantly upgrade the QB position, which I don't think they will, it makes no sense signing a FA WR to a large contract where you could use that cap money elsewhere. I don't see Jeremy Maclin or Demarius Thomas at $80 million really putting the Browns in playoff contention.
But you feel it wise to bring in another WR with drug and personality issues?
It is a shame is career was derailed by knee injuries.
I wasn't aware Braylon caught the ball with his knees?
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Not at all. Unfortunately if they don't significantly upgrade the QB position, which I don't think they will, it makes no sense signing a FA WR to a large contract where you could use that cap money elsewhere. I don't see Jeremy Maclin or Demarius Thomas at $80 million really putting the Browns in playoff contention.
But you feel it wise to bring in another WR with drug and personality issues?
It is a shame is career was derailed by knee injuries.
I wasn't aware Braylon caught the ball with his knees?
But you feel it wise to bring in another WR with drug and personality issues?
I wasn't aware Braylon caught the ball with his knees?
You know me tiamat63 I'm all about the contracts and cap space and with the rookie wage scale Beckham-Green would be cheap. If he is as advertised, stays straight, and Josh gets it straight, you could possibly have 2 #1 type WR in 2016 for a total cap hit of $3 million which is about a third of what a Jeremy Maclin will run you in free agency. If they both stink you look at WR in 2016 when hopefully you have an answer at QB.
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But you feel it wise to bring in another WR with drug and personality issues?
I wasn't aware Braylon caught the ball with his knees?
You know me tiamat63 I'm all about the contracts and cap space and with the rookie wage scale Beckham-Green would be cheap. If he is as advertised, stays straight, and Josh gets it straight, you could possibly have 2 #1 type WR in 2016 for a total cap hit of $3 million which is about a third of what a Jeremy Maclin will run you in free agency. If they both stink you look at WR in 2016 when hopefully you have an answer at QB.
You know me tiamat63 I'm all about the contracts and cap space and with the rookie wage scale Beckham-Green would be cheap. If he is as advertised, stays straight, and Josh gets it straight, you could possibly have 2 #1 type WR in 2016 for a total cap hit of $3 million which is about a third of what a Jeremy Maclin will run you in free agency. If they both stink you look at WR in 2016 when hopefully you have an answer at QB.
I'd take paying Maclin because at least that kid is on the field. However a cap hit for a pair of receivers with questionable personal and professional choices scares me.
Also, the cap isn't the only thing to consider. If Beckham doesn't get his house in order and you take him at 19 - then you've wasted yet another 1st round pick.
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Catching up here:
Braylon:
Physically gifted underachiever. Had one great year (coincidental with DA's only one) and 2 good ones.
Green-Beckham:
Will never see the 3rd round unless he tries to snort the 50 yard-line at the Combine.
Will never be worth the risk of a 1st round pick... even by a team inclined to spend 1sts on WRs, which is not us.
Macklin and other $$$ FA WRs:
Not going to happen. Strictly flying economy class at WR.
Re-up Austin. Shorts is a good fit. One personal fav I'd like to see added is Sanzenbacher.
TE:
Similar to replacing TJ with Whitner and DQ with Dansby, I'm looking for a solid signing here not named Cameron... up to and including a big splash in Thomas.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Catching up here:
Braylon:
Physically gifted underachiever. Had one great year (coincidental with DA's only one) and 2 good ones.
Green-Beckham:
Will never see the 3rd round unless he tries to snort the 50 yard-line at the Combine.
Will never be worth the risk of a 1st round pick... even by a team inclined to spend 1sts on WRs, which is not us.
Macklin and other $$$ FA WRs:
Not going to happen. Strictly flying economy class at WR.
Re-up Austin. Shorts is a good fit. One personal fav I'd like to see added is Sanzenbacher.
TE:
Similar to replacing TJ with Whitner and DQ with Dansby, I'm looking for a solid signing here not named Cameron... up to and including a big splash in Thomas.
TE:
Similar to replacing TJ with Whitner and DQ with Dansby, I'm looking for a solid signing here not named Cameron... up to and including a big splash in Thomas.
Although I think a few buckeyes are going to be good pros from this draft, a TE I wouldn't mind seeing drafted in Jeff Heuerman. He's one of those guys that does everything well (including blocking) and has the size you're looking for. He's more than likely gonna be there in the 4th or 5th round too.
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Catching up here:
Braylon:
Physically gifted underachiever. Had one great year (coincidental with DA's only one) and 2 good ones.
Green-Beckham:
Will never see the 3rd round unless he tries to snort the 50 yard-line at the Combine.
Will never be worth the risk of a 1st round pick... even by a team inclined to spend 1sts on WRs, which is not us.
Macklin and other $$$ FA WRs:
Not going to happen. Strictly flying economy class at WR.
Re-up Austin. Shorts is a good fit. One personal fav I'd like to see added is Sanzenbacher.
TE:
Similar to replacing TJ with Whitner and DQ with Dansby, I'm looking for a solid signing here not named Cameron... up to and including a big splash in Thomas.
Macklin and other $$$ FA WRs:
Not going to happen. Strictly flying economy class at WR.
Re-up Austin. Shorts is a good fit. One personal fav I'd like to see added is Sanzenbacher.
TE:
Similar to replacing TJ with Whitner and DQ with Dansby, I'm looking for a solid signing here not named Cameron... up to and including a big splash in Thomas.
I would love to see us go after Cecil.
And Sanzo is difficult to not appreciate, kid catches damn near everything thrown his way.
However we already have two good slot men in Hawk and Gabriel.
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Unfortunately Funchess is a lot like Braylon Edwards. Not saying he can't be very good but we know what happens to WRs in Cleveland with the drops.
Braylon, in college, was much better than Funchess. Braylon was a dominant WR from the beginning at Michigan. He also holds the Browns record for TDs in a season and did have the record for yards until Gordon broke it. This idea that Braylon was some bust WR for the Browns is laughable. It is a shame is career was derailed by knee injuries.
Funchess has one season of WR under his belt. He is raw. He is basically a matchup nightmare with circus catch ability. He could work on his hands, no doubt, but he has a high ceiling. He also played this last season injured (and missed a few games) for an ankle injury. That didn't help his ability to move at all. That's without getting into the inconsistent QB play and shotty coaching.
I believe Funchess' stock will be heavily influenced by the combine. There isn't a ton of film on him. Even though he ended on a high note against OSU, he needs a strong combine performance. Come and and perform well in the drills, and run fast than expected, and he could be back in the first, instead of the early 2nd like he is now.
Braylon, in college, was much better than Funchess. Braylon was a dominant WR from the beginning at Michigan. He also holds the Browns record for TDs in a season and did have the record for yards until Gordon broke it. This idea that Braylon was some bust WR for the Browns is laughable. It is a shame is career was derailed by knee injuries.
No, he was a bust. He had one good year. Sorry....but he was terrible except for that one year....and it wasn't injuries.....he just was NOT a reliable receiver. Besides, but sorry, if you are #3 overall and get injured....you are still a bust. The biggest broken thing about him was his brain.
Funchess has one season of WR under his belt. He is raw. He is basically a matchup nightmare with circus catch ability. He could work on his hands, no doubt, but he has a high ceiling. He also played this last season injured (and missed a few games) for an ankle injury. That didn't help his ability to move at all. That's without getting into the inconsistent QB play and shotty coaching.
I believe Funchess' stock will be heavily influenced by the combine. There isn't a ton of film on him. Even though he ended on a high note against OSU, he needs a strong combine performance. Come and and perform well in the drills, and run fast than expected, and he could be back in the first, instead of the early 2nd like he is now.
I will say this though: it is not fair to compare Funchess to Braylon and predict that he too will be the kind of bust that Braylon was just because they went to the same school. I would have no problem with the Browns getting him in say the second round.
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TE:
Similar to replacing TJ with Whitner and DQ with Dansby, I'm looking for a solid signing here not named Cameron... up to and including a big splash in Thomas.
Although I think a few buckeyes are going to be good pros from this draft, a TE I wouldn't mind seeing drafted in Jeff Heuerman. He's one of those guys that does everything well (including blocking) and has the size you're looking for. He's more than likely gonna be there in the 4th or 5th round too.
Although I think a few buckeyes are going to be good pros from this draft, a TE I wouldn't mind seeing drafted in Jeff Heuerman. He's one of those guys that does everything well (including blocking) and has the size you're looking for. He's more than likely gonna be there in the 4th or 5th round too.
I am totally there on Heuerman. Good size and hands and faster than you'd think. I would not be surprised if he pumps up his value at the combine.
I never did get the story on why his PT was reduced this past season.
However we already have two good slot men in Hawk and Gabriel.
True, but setting up a 3-man slot rotation doesn't hurt. Assuming the Single-back is still featured (and IMO it should be) then both its 2TE/2WR and TE/3WR sets use up slots two at a time.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Although I think a few buckeyes are going to be good pros from this draft, a TE I wouldn't mind seeing drafted in Jeff Heuerman. He's one of those guys that does everything well (including blocking) and has the size you're looking for. He's more than likely gonna be there in the 4th or 5th round too.
I am totally there on Heuerman. Good size and hands and faster than you'd think. I would not be surprised if he pumps up his value at the combine.
I never did get the story on why his PT was reduced this past season.
However we already have two good slot men in Hawk and Gabriel.
True, but setting up a 3-man slot rotation doesn't hurt. Assuming the Single-back is still featured (and IMO it should be) then both its 2TE/2WR and TE/3WR sets use up slots two at a time.
I am totally there on Heuerman. Good size and hands and faster than you'd think. I would not be surprised if he pumps up his value at the combine.
I never did get the story on why his PT was reduced this past season.
True, but setting up a 3-man slot rotation doesn't hurt. Assuming the Single-back is still featured (and IMO it should be) then both its 2TE/2WR and TE/3WR sets use up slots two at a time.
In regards to Heuerman, it doesn't help that Tom Herman forgets the TE is an eligible receiver.
I hope to god this team uses 21 personnel until they're sick of it. We don't have a fullback on roster worth his salt and both our young backs appear more comfortable without having a true lead in front of them. If that means bringing in another slot fringe 2 WR named Sanzenbachhhhhaaaaaa! along then I'd be happy to have him home.
edit: I'm watching the Iowa/Pittsburgh game from this recent season. Mark me down for wanting Carl Davis if we decide to go in a direction different than Shelton.
The interior Hawkeye Dline hardly moves backward an inch with him in there. Constantly doubled teamed and his reports from the Senior Bowl were glowing.
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I am totally there on Heuerman. Good size and hands and faster than you'd think. I would not be surprised if he pumps up his value at the combine.
I never did get the story on why his PT was reduced this past season.
True, but setting up a 3-man slot rotation doesn't hurt. Assuming the Single-back is still featured (and IMO it should be) then both its 2TE/2WR and TE/3WR sets use up slots two at a time.
In regards to Heuerman, it doesn't help that Tom Herman forgets the TE is an eligible receiver.
I hope to god this team uses 21 personnel until they're sick of it. We don't have a fullback on roster worth his salt and both our young backs appear more comfortable without having a true lead in front of them. If that means bringing in another slot fringe 2 WR named Sanzenbachhhhhaaaaaa! along then I'd be happy to have him home.
edit: I'm watching the Iowa/Pittsburgh game from this recent season. Mark me down for wanting Carl Davis if we decide to go in a direction different than Shelton.
The interior Hawkeye Dline hardly moves backward an inch with him in there. Constantly doubled teamed and his reports from the Senior Bowl were glowing.
In regards to Heuerman, it doesn't help that Tom Herman forgets the TE is an eligible receiver.
I hope to god this team uses 21 personnel until they're sick of it. We don't have a fullback on roster worth his salt and both our young backs appear more comfortable without having a true lead in front of them. If that means bringing in another slot fringe 2 WR named Sanzenbachhhhhaaaaaa! along then I'd be happy to have him home.
edit: I'm watching the Iowa/Pittsburgh game from this recent season. Mark me down for wanting Carl Davis if we decide to go in a direction different than Shelton.
The interior Hawkeye Dline hardly moves backward an inch with him in there. Constantly doubled teamed and his reports from the Senior Bowl were glowing.
Yeah, while I can't complain about what Herman brought the Bucks a TE in that offense became a non-factor. He's a really solid blocker though so Tour I'm with ya if he shows some wheels and good hands at the combine he'll rise for sure.
I've been hearing some great things about Carl Davis too. I don't care where it comes from but we need to add some nasty to the interior D-Line early.
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I've already voiced concern over having a $80 Maclin on a team with Johnny Manziel at the helm but I don't get the Cecil Shorts III idea. If he was any good why would Jacksonville let him walk? Looking to get Allen Hurns and Marquise Lee more reps? Shorts is another undersized guy who the lowly Jags don't want?
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I've already voiced concern over having a $80 Maclin on a team with Johnny Manziel at the helm but I don't get the Cecil Shorts III idea. If he was any good why would Jacksonville let him walk? Looking to get Allen Hurns and Marquise Lee more reps? Shorts is another undersized guy who the lowly Jags don't want?
I've already voiced concern over having a $80 Maclin on a team with Johnny Manziel at the helm but I don't get the Cecil Shorts III idea. If he was any good why would Jacksonville let him walk? Looking to get Allen Hurns and Marquise Lee more reps? Shorts is another undersized guy who the lowly Jags don't want?
I'll take Maclin for $80.
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I've already voiced concern over having a $80 Maclin on a team with Johnny Manziel at the helm but I don't get the Cecil Shorts III idea. If he was any good why would Jacksonville let him walk? Looking to get Allen Hurns and Marquise Lee more reps? Shorts is another undersized guy who the lowly Jags don't want?
I've already voiced concern over having a $80 Maclin on a team with Johnny Manziel at the helm but I don't get the Cecil Shorts III idea. If he was any good why would Jacksonville let him walk? Looking to get Allen Hurns and Marquise Lee more reps? Shorts is another undersized guy who the lowly Jags don't want?
Same reason why receivers go elsewhere and seem to contribute, teams think they have something better, younger and cheaper. Cecil does have some injury issue, but when healthy is a solid receiver that would provide an upgrade in this offense.
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