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Mike Iupati. Give him his asking price and watch the running game go.

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  • SkippinTurtles S Conversation Starter Dedicated First Post Collaborator One Year In Week One Done One Month Later
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    S SkippinTurtles wrote on last edited by
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    Iupati provides a physical presence the O-Line needs. Develop the power running game until the passing game catches up.

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      He's a nastier Alan Faneca in his prime.

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        Iupati provides a physical presence the O-Line needs. Develop the power running game until the passing game catches up.

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        tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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        @skippinturtles said:

        Iupati provides a physical presence the O-Line needs. Develop the power running game until the passing game catches up.

        Meanwhile the rest of our offensive lineman have settled comfortably into a ZBS with a stretch running game. Develop a totally different approach based off of one player

        that, while a great run blocker - is very suspect in pass pro.

        And.... moving on.

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          Iupati provides a physical presence the O-Line needs. Develop the power running game until the passing game catches up.

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          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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          @skippinturtles said:

          Iupati provides a physical presence the O-Line needs. Develop the power running game until the passing game catches up.

          Does he play Right Guard? That would be the position we would need him for.

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            ColumbusKingC ColumbusKing wrote on last edited by
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            He Is a left guard, and what running scheme does Flip want to run? If it is power then sign this man if it is zone stick with the chemistry the line will have when Big Mack comes back.

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              gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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              I got the impression he'd retain the ZBS. He's a passing guy, from what I understand, in his first OC gig - if the run game ain't broke, don't fix it.

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                @skippinturtles said:

                Iupati provides a physical presence the O-Line needs. Develop the power running game until the passing game catches up.

                Does he play Right Guard? That would be the position we would need him for.

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                @the-gipper said:

                Does he play Right Guard? That would be the position we would need him for.

                Can you say, "Tim Manoa"?

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                  @the-gipper said:

                  Does he play Right Guard? That would be the position we would need him for.

                  Can you say, "Tim Manoa"?

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                  The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                  @chicopee-john said:

                  Can you say, "Tim Manoa"?

                  Fullback? I thought he was OL. We have Bitonio at LG.....or is this guy flexible enough...i.e. good enough... to switch from LG to RG?

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                    @chicopee-john said:

                    Can you say, "Tim Manoa"?

                    Fullback? I thought he was OL. We have Bitonio at LG.....or is this guy flexible enough...i.e. good enough... to switch from LG to RG?

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                    @the-gipper said:

                    Fullback? I thought he was OL. We have Bitonio at LG.....or is this guy flexible enough...i.e. good enough... to switch from LG to RG?

                    No, Manoa was a FB from the Shottenheimer or Belichick era.

                    The guy mentioned above - his picture and his description - reminded my of Manoa.

                    See how good he was...............................? Even the chronicler of Browns' history doesn't recall his vast contributions.

                    PS I bet Furnier would.

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                      @skippinturtles said:

                      Iupati provides a physical presence the O-Line needs. Develop the power running game until the passing game catches up.

                      Does he play Right Guard? That would be the position we would need him for.

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                      ComeonmanC Comeonman wrote on last edited by
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                      @the-gipper said:

                      Does he play Right Guard? That would be the position we would need him for.

                      Did I miss something? Where's Greco going?
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                      • ComeonmanC Comeonman

                        @the-gipper said:

                        Does he play Right Guard? That would be the position we would need him for.

                        Did I miss something? Where's Greco going?
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                        MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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                        @comeonman said:

                        Did I miss something? Where's Greco going?

                        No he's not going anywhere and I have no clue why people are talking as if we'd replace him.....he rated out as the #11 guard(either side)in the league and #7 RG overall......

                        We need a back up, who can double as center.....but definitely dont need a new guard on either side...

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                          @the-gipper said:

                          Fullback? I thought he was OL. We have Bitonio at LG.....or is this guy flexible enough...i.e. good enough... to switch from LG to RG?

                          No, Manoa was a FB from the Shottenheimer or Belichick era.

                          The guy mentioned above - his picture and his description - reminded my of Manoa.

                          See how good he was...............................? Even the chronicler of Browns' history doesn't recall his vast contributions.

                          PS I bet Furnier would.

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                          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                          @chicopee-john said:

                          No, Manoa was a FB from the Shottenheimer or Belichick era.

                          The guy mentioned above - his picture and his description - reminded my of Manoa.

                          See how good he was...............................? Even the chronicler of Browns' history doesn't recall his vast contributions.

                          PS I bet Furnier would.

                          I didn't see a picture of him. I guess there are both Samoan? Unless Iuputi...whatever...is Greek, which means he could be Minoan.

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                            @the-gipper said:

                            Does he play Right Guard? That would be the position we would need him for.

                            Did I miss something? Where's Greco going?
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                            The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                            @comeonman said:

                            Did I miss something? Where's Greco going?

                            No, I just assumed that if there was one OL position the Browns were looking to go after to be a starter it would be at RG.

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                              @comeonman said:

                              Did I miss something? Where's Greco going?

                              No, I just assumed that if there was one OL position the Browns were looking to go after to be a starter it would be at RG.

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                              ComeonmanC Comeonman wrote on last edited by
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                              @the-gipper said:

                              No, I just assumed that if there was one OL position the Browns were looking to go after to be a starter it would be at RG.

                              Right Tackle. Greco makes Schwartz look like a 12 year old girl
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                                Iupati provides a physical presence the O-Line needs. Develop the power running game until the passing game catches up.

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                                miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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                                @skippinturtles said:

                                Iupati provides a physical presence the O-Line needs. Develop the power running game until the passing game catches up.

                                you're a dope.

                                fall in luv much?

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                                  @comeonman said:

                                  Did I miss something? Where's Greco going?

                                  No he's not going anywhere and I have no clue why people are talking as if we'd replace him.....he rated out as the #11 guard(either side)in the league and #7 RG overall......

                                  We need a back up, who can double as center.....but definitely dont need a new guard on either side...

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                                  Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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                                  @mudfly said:

                                  No he's not going anywhere and I have no clue why people are talking as if we'd replace him.....he rated out as the #11 guard(either side)in the league and #7 RG overall......

                                  We need a back up, who can double as center.....but definitely dont need a new guard on either side...

                                  Really? There are 6 RGs ahead of Greco, but only 4 LGs??? I did not think NFL teams supported their RTs with their better OG that much. Not that #11 overall is low, but I'm actually surprised he's that low. He had a great year.

                                  I'd also like to say one more time that John was a more than adequate fill-in at Center. The failure was the OG that had to replace John. So a back up OG is an option.

                                  @comeonman said:

                                  Right Tackle. Greco makes Schwartz look like a 12 year old girl

                                  Agree in principle, but I'd say late teens...

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                                    @the-gipper said:

                                    No, I just assumed that if there was one OL position the Browns were looking to go after to be a starter it would be at RG.

                                    Right Tackle. Greco makes Schwartz look like a 12 year old girl
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                                    MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by Mudfly
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                                    @comeonman said:

                                    Right Tackle. Greco makes Schwartz look like a 12 year old girl

                                    Yes. IF they opt to draft a projected "starter". RT would be the spot......though, personally, I think Schwartz does just fine and is more maligned than his play suggests he should be.....I guess #5 outta 5 is a fact...but 1 thru 4 are all pretty frigging good!

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                                    Really? There are 6 RGs ahead of Greco, but only 4 LGs??? I did not think NFL teams supported their RTs with their better OG that much. Not that #11 overall is low, but I'm actually surprised he's that low. He had a great year.

                                    Yep....actually, Id say Greco was #6, cause one of the ones ahead didn't play a full season(Zietler-Cinn).....but Grecos PFF was in the green at +15.6....oh so solid.....and Bito was #2 LG at an amazing +22.4 (10.2 pass/11.7 run).....talk about solid....

                                    Top 5 RG:

                                    Marshall Yanda

                                    T.J. Lang

                                    Zach Martin

                                    Brandon Brooks

                                    Brandon Linder.......then Greco....

                                    Top 5 LG:

                                    Josh Sitton

                                    Joel Bitonio....22.4

                                    K. Osemele

                                    Orlando Franklin

                                    Mike Iupoti.....11.2

                                    So, we go full circle, because we can see that Bito rated twice as high as Lupoti.....and Greco was higher too.....so, Id ask the OP who Lupoti is supposed to replace??? And are we supposed to change systems and assume he will switch sides and improve enough to be better than Greco???.......ha!....hilarious.....

                                    Edit:..Ill add that Bito missed being #1 by just a few tenths of a point and had his only 2 negative grades the last 2 games.....meaning, had he had just played to his established season standard in the last game, he'd be #1.....

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                                      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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                                      That reminds me... I have two games to grade yet. It'll be fun comparing to PFF.

                                      I'm sorta with you on Mitchell, but I noticed you did not post where Mitch ranked... 🙂

                                      No, he's not terrible, but rather than him being #5 in our O-line ranking of 1,2,3,4,5, I think it's more like 1,2,3,4,6... maybe 7. Even with Greco at 4 (which I'll grudgingly accept) there's still a gap to Mitch.

                                      The problem with upgrading RT is I think we are still one, good O-lineman shy. I have zero faith that Mitch can step inside.

                                      Same is likely true if we nab an OG, but I think either of our starting guards could step out to OT on their side and do fairly well.

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                                        Frank Gore has no speed and the Niners running game has been great since he joined the team. Bitonio and Iupati play with a mean streak. Thomas and Mack are great technicians and finesse players. Bitonio or Iupati on the right side would balance out the line. Going from LG to RG isn't that drastic a switch.

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                                          @comeonman said:

                                          Right Tackle. Greco makes Schwartz look like a 12 year old girl

                                          Yes. IF they opt to draft a projected "starter". RT would be the spot......though, personally, I think Schwartz does just fine and is more maligned than his play suggests he should be.....I guess #5 outta 5 is a fact...but 1 thru 4 are all pretty frigging good!

                                          @tour2ma said:

                                          Really? There are 6 RGs ahead of Greco, but only 4 LGs??? I did not think NFL teams supported their RTs with their better OG that much. Not that #11 overall is low, but I'm actually surprised he's that low. He had a great year.

                                          Yep....actually, Id say Greco was #6, cause one of the ones ahead didn't play a full season(Zietler-Cinn).....but Grecos PFF was in the green at +15.6....oh so solid.....and Bito was #2 LG at an amazing +22.4 (10.2 pass/11.7 run).....talk about solid....

                                          Top 5 RG:

                                          Marshall Yanda

                                          T.J. Lang

                                          Zach Martin

                                          Brandon Brooks

                                          Brandon Linder.......then Greco....

                                          Top 5 LG:

                                          Josh Sitton

                                          Joel Bitonio....22.4

                                          K. Osemele

                                          Orlando Franklin

                                          Mike Iupoti.....11.2

                                          So, we go full circle, because we can see that Bito rated twice as high as Lupoti.....and Greco was higher too.....so, Id ask the OP who Lupoti is supposed to replace??? And are we supposed to change systems and assume he will switch sides and improve enough to be better than Greco???.......ha!....hilarious.....

                                          Edit:..Ill add that Bito missed being #1 by just a few tenths of a point and had his only 2 negative grades the last 2 games.....meaning, had he had just played to his established season standard in the last game, he'd be #1.....

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                                          Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                                          You did read the above where PFF graded Greco out higher than Iupati didn't you?

                                          @mudfly said:

                                          ... Grecos PFF was in the green at +15.6....oh so solid...

                                          Top 5 RG:

                                          Marshall Yanda

                                          T.J. Lang

                                          Zach Martin

                                          Brandon Brooks

                                          Brandon Linder.......then Greco....

                                          Top 5 LG:

                                          Josh Sitton

                                          Joel Bitonio....22.4

                                          K. Osemele

                                          Orlando Franklin

                                          Mike Iupoti.....11.2

                                          Oh... and Greco made Bito look like a choir boy.

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