mock draft thread

tiamat63

@calfoxwc said:

Those were examples of what I've been reading, which is a LOT of reading.

and my opinions are based on everything I've read.

Otherwise, you see some great highlights, and great stats,

and you end up drafting a "mad dog in a meat market".

I hate that.

So a lot of reading of others opinions and if they influence you enough to agree with them, you assimilate those opinions as your own.

Ok then.

calfoxwc

Well, I'm not an arrogant person where I see video, and "know" that

a player will be a great player in the NFL.

That's how Phil Savage and Shottenheimer did it. A consensus of opinions by those

who have videos of games - yeah, I consider that as part of my stupid opinions on the draft.

I still maintain the right to disagree with you. I've watched video... but again, highlight films don't impress

me when "expert" scout opinions of what they see otherwise tells a different story.

You apparently would have drafted Braylon Edwards, Josh Gordon, and Manziel based on

your "expert" viewing of their college videos. I wouldn't have.

I'll stick to my way of being wrong, you stick to yours, see you after the draft.

Mudfly

yep....we can all watch tape and see how they play...but none of us have the inside scoop on their mental makeup, will to win, intelligence etc....thats a total crap shoot....

so, just being fans with only tape and printed material to form our opinions, we almost HAVE to rely on the written word for some of those intangibles that aren't visible or apparent on tape.....

In the end, it's 50/50 on every player in the draft.....you like him or you dont...and...he'll be good or he wont.......the end.

tiamat63

@calfoxwc said:

Well, I'm not an arrogant person where I see video, and "know" that

a player will be a great player in the NFL.

That's how Phil Savage and Shottenheimer did it. A consensus of opinions by those

who have videos of games - yeah, I consider that as part of my stupid opinions on the draft.

I still maintain the right to disagree with you. I've watched video... but again, highlight films don't impress

me when "expert" scout opinions of what they see otherwise tells a different story.

You apparently would have drafted Braylon Edwards, Josh Gordon, and Manziel based on

your "expert" viewing of their college videos. I wouldn't have.

I'll stick to my way of being wrong, you stick to yours, see you after the draft.

I don't "know" anything. Even the most wise do not see to all ends. However after the remarkable busts selected by not only the Browns, but others teams as well in the last 10 years - It was then I realized that I have a pretty good eye for talent.

Also, the air of arrogance you're feeling so palpable, is that I've done my homework to watch these people to be able to give an informed opinion on their abilities. I don't rely on word of mouth or what you see on ESPN which is pure nonsense. You have EVERY right to disagree with me, but I don't appreciate you disagreeing with me by using the opinion of another individual as the basis for your argument. That's petty to me.

To address your last points about players. I bitched about Braylon, Kellen 'Solja Boy' Winslow (honestly only because of his health concerns, he was a premium receiving talent) Quinn, Maiava in the 2nd round, Mohammed Massaquai,(spell check) TJ Ward in the 2nd round, Montario Hardesty (again, healthy reasons AND trading up to get him) Brandon Weeden, and Manziel.

Of those, I have proof of posts from my time on others forums of my opinion on said players well before the draft and a video of me cursing out half of the bar last year when we took Manziel. Aside from being wrong about Ward, the only other time I was glaringly wrong was about Haden when I said I felt he was a bit undersized and instead wanted Earl Thomas. Technically I wouldn't have been wrong as we would have either way had a top 2 player at their position if we had choosen Earl - but I was slightly off in my miscalculation of Joe. To this day, couldn't be happier about.

calfoxwc

Ask anybody that remembers... I was a huge Joe Thomas hawk, and I wasn't alone

about Joe Haden being THE pick.

And all my other picks were wrong. Just let people disagree with you, and stop being

offended about it.

I ain't no scout, you are maybe, jimmy crack corn and I don't care. I agree to disagree with you on two players.

Wait, you watched video of Haden.. and you were WRONG about him? LIS (that's a new acronym - "Laughing in Silence"

tiamat63

@calfoxwc said:

Ask anybody that remembers... I was a huge Joe Thomas hawk, and I wasn't alone

about Joe Haden being THE pick.

And all my other picks were wrong. Just let people disagree with you, and stop being

offended about it.

I ain't no scout, you are maybe, jimmy crack corn and I don't care. I agree to disagree with you on two players.

Wait, you watched video of Haden.. and you were WRONG about him? LIS (that's a new acronym - "Laughing in Silence"

I actually hummed this as I read it allowed and it had me laughing pretty hard.

And thank you for telling me what the acronym meant, I have no idea what half of you kids these days are saying when I see things like that in type.

jcam222

@tiamat63 said:

So a lot of reading of others opinions and if they influence you enough to agree with them, you assimilate those opinions as your own.

Ok then.

I think that factoring in the opinions of "experts" is entirely within the scope of most of us ranking players. There are very few of us qualified to watch film and make that assessment without outside influence.

calfoxwc

And thank you for telling me what the acronym meant, I have no idea what half of you kids these days are saying when I see things like that in type. Tiam

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Well,

A. I had to tell you what it means, because I just made it up.

B. Thanks for the lefthanded compliment, but chances are, I am older than you.

Tour2ma

Nothing wrong with reading others' opinions. When common themes emerge on a given player the odds are good that there's something to them. That's a lot different than reading one and hanging your hat on it.

None of us have the time to invest in independent evaluation of over 2000 players. I use DraftScout to set the order I watch prospects in a given position. I spend more time on the O-line cause I want to. And when I spend time I like time-edited, but otherwise unvarnished, game tape.

@texasag1969 said:

I think it would be well worth revisiting Draft Scouts after free agency, combine and individual college pro days are completed.

Think I will make a hard copy now and compare the changes with those revisions.

Right now I'm leaning towards Peat or Collins followed by best available ILB. A decent DT should still be there 2nd round unless there is a real standout WR we just can't pass on. All depends on free agency so all are wild guesses for now.

Hard copy? What's that? Consider Lightshot...

https://app.prntscr.com/en/index.html

DraftScout's movers are noted by arrows next to names... Already has been some movement at some positions, e.g., McKinney (ILB) started as a clear #1, but is now the #3 ILB and a 2nd rounder. AS of now DS rates no ILB's as first-round worthy. I think the top ILB prospects this year will end up being OLB converts. But you are correct, the Combine will shake up the rankings considerably.

Peat and Collins look far from interchangeable to my eye. Collins is simply not fluid. Peat on the other hand is "like buttah".

tiamat63

Dawson out of TCU. Kid is a damn good football player but has character issues. If you can snag him mid to late round, it would be tempting. Then make sure he ends up under the wing of Dansby, Whitner and Craig.

Tour2ma

@tiamat63 said:
Dawson out of TCU. Kid is a damn good football player but has character issues. If you can snag him mid to late round, it would be tempting. Then make sure he ends up under the wing of Dansby, Whitner and Craig.

Dawson just stared showing up as a late 1st round OLB/ILB choice in the First-Pick sim.

Two small DEs that may stand up as OLBs look interesting: Washington's Hauoli Kikaha and Missou's Markus Golden. I just started looking at Golden.

calfoxwc

When I hear "character issues" I think:

2nd chance, I'm maybe okay....maybe giving them a second chance....

3rd/4th...drop like a hot rock.

Osiris

Here is my first crack at a fanspeak mock draft. I would be pretty happy with this.

12: R1P12

DT DANNY SHELTON

WASHINGTON

19: R1P19

OLB VIC BEASLEY

CLEMSON

43: R2P11

OT JEREMIAH POUTASI

UTAH

77: R3P13

WR DEVIN SMITH

OHIO STATE

108: R4P12

TE TYLER KROFT

RUTGERS

112: R4P16

G JOSUE MATIAS

FLORIDA STATE

139: R5P11

WR VINCE MAYLE

WASHINGTON STATE

173: R6P13

FB JALSTON FOWLER

ALABAMA

186: R6P26

QB SEAN MANNION

OREGON STATE

204: R7P12

C MAX GARCIA

FLORIDA

tiamat63

Unless he fires up a spliff and shoots a puppy during the combine - not a chance Devin drops to the 3rd round. It'd sure be nice though.

Osiris

@tiamat63 said:
Unless he fires up a spliff and shoots a puppy during the combine - not a chance Devin drops to the 3rd round. It'd sure be nice though.

Yep, that's Fanspeak for ya, though.

JAFBF

Mel Kipper Mock 2.0 :

#12 - Devante Parker, WR, Louisville

#19 - Eddie Goldman, DT, Florida State

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/2/11/8018495/2015-nfl-mock-draft-mel-kiper-2-0-espn-eagles-marcus-mariota-peters

Winston @ #1, Mariota @ #6 . . .

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/2/11/8018495/2015-nfl-mock-draft-mel-kiper-2-0-espn-eagles-marcus-mariota-peters

JAFBF

@tiamat63 said:
Dear god, no. First off, not a chance we invest a pick that high in OT and hopefully our scouts see some of the things brought to light on this board about Schreff. As for Coates? At 19 I'd rather just hold off and go WR in the 2nd round. I don't see him being worth a high 1st rounder.

I don't have a major problem @ 19 of taking OL, but @ 12 I'm really thinking DL.

That's as of now, without Combine & FA info, plus assuming we still have those picks.

tiamat63

@jafbf said:

I don't have a major problem @ 19 of taking OL, but @ 12 I'm really thinking DL.

That's as of now, without Combine & FA info, plus assuming we still have those picks.

At this point, I have zero issues with our first 2 picks being defense. I was waiting for PFF to release their Pass Rush Efficiency stats this year. I expected the Browns to do poorly, but they ranked dead last without the blitz.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/02/11/sig-stats-team-blitzing/

That's unacceptable. Especially in a division that has two Olines on the rise in Baltimore and Pittsburgh.

We need to not only get this defensive interior right against the run, but we need more firepower in getting after the QB. In a league now dominated by officials that wont let you breathe on a receiver, the only way to stop or slow the passing game is getting to the QB. Period.

calfoxwc

In a draft that is very deep in olinemen, especially tackles, why draft one

in the first round? And I'm always interested in oline high...

I'm fine with whoever they draft, but I think if a team is looking for

a legit #1 wr to step in... you really need to take one in the first round,

because a lot of other teams are also looking for top flight wr's,

and the #1 wr depth in this draft isn't all that deep.

If there's one in the second round, great, that's just what I think.

Just seems like the Browns are so close to really getting a fine roster intact,

the needs are short, and the upgrading isn't as easy as in the past.

That's a huge upside.

darren15

12: R1P12

WR AMARI COOPER

ALABAMA

19: R1P19

OLB VIC BEASLEY

CLEMSON

43: R2P11

OT T.J. CLEMMINGS

PITTSBURGH

77: R3P13

TE DEVIN FUNCHESS

MICHIGAN

108: R4P12

QB GARRETT GRAYSON

COLORADO STATE

112: R4P16

DE ANTHONY CHICKILLO

MIAMI

139: R5P11

ILB TAIWAN JONES

MICHIGAN STATE

173: R6P13

DT MARCUS HARDISON

ARIZONA STATE

186: R6P26

WR ANTWAN GOODLEY

BAYLOR

204: R7P12

DT CHUCKY HUNTER

TCU

My first attempt this year