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  • S secondwave

    Moss is far and away the 2nd best receiver. And to think, if he had half the work ethic of Jerry Rice, he would have obliterated every WR record.

    Pity.

    @secondwave said:

    Moss is far and away the 2nd best receiver. And to think, if he had half the work ethic of Jerry Rice, he would have obliterated every WR record.

    Pity.

    He had more innate talent than Rice....than anybody ever maybe. Not so the work effort.

  • I cant believe Kevin Green made the list over Clay Mathews Sr.... that's a crime..

    Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
  • nickersN nickers

    I cant believe Kevin Green made the list over Clay Mathews Sr.... that's a crime..

    @nickers said:

    I cant believe Kevin Green made the list over Clay Mathews Sr.... that's a crime..

    Good point. Comparative stats:

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GreeKe00.htm

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MattCl00.htm

    It is clearly all about the sacks: Greene had 160 in his career, Clay 70

    (but I have no doubt that Clay was the better all around LB)

    Greene's sack total is third all time behin Bruce Smith and Reggie White. That is why he gets the attention.

    And I guess there is something to be said about that.

  • C Chicopee John

    He wasn't just some sneaky good WR, he was flat out amazing. The best route-runner you'll ever see (after Jerry Rice). And his numbers surpassed both of those HOFers. And don't get me started on Terrell Owens not getting in, regardless of his irate and diva-like nature. The man is arguably the 3rd best wide receiver ever.

    Just a guess but, as I recall, wasn't he involved in some 'off field activity' that took a lot of luster off him, in general?

    Maybe some voters are taking that into account, not unlike with some baseball writers and PEDs.

    Dunno.

    @chicopee-john said:

    He wasn't just some sneaky good WR, he was flat out amazing. The best route-runner you'll ever see (after Jerry Rice). And his numbers surpassed both of those HOFers. And don't get me started on Terrell Owens not getting in, regardless of his irate and diva-like nature. The man is arguably the 3rd best wide receiver ever.

    Just a guess but, as I recall, wasn't he involved in some 'off field activity' that took a lot of luster off him, in general?

    Maybe some voters are taking that into account, not unlike with some baseball writers and PEDs.

    Dunno.

    Yep, I was just going to chime in and say this. This article is a little dated but I recall hearing a lot that behind the scenes the guy was a huge dick and did a lot of questionably legal things:

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/114971-marvin-harrison-the-nfls-quiet-bad-boy-wide-receiver

    Of course that didn't stop Ray Lewis so who knows.

  • Starvin Marvin and Warner should be no-brainers

  • B BaconHound

    Starvin Marvin and Warner should be no-brainers

    @baconhound said:

    Starvin Marvin and Warner should be no-brainers

    Harrison passed over twice now. Warner once.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @baconhound said:

    Starvin Marvin and Warner should be no-brainers

    Harrison passed over twice now. Warner once.

    @the-gipper said:

    Harrison passed over twice now. Warner once.

    Yeah I really don't put much stock in All Star appearances or Hall of Fame inductions as the defining moment of players' careers

  • B BaconHound

    @the-gipper said:

    Harrison passed over twice now. Warner once.

    Yeah I really don't put much stock in All Star appearances or Hall of Fame inductions as the defining moment of players' careers

    @baconhound said:

    Yeah I really don't put much stock in All Star appearances or Hall of Fame inductions as the defining moment of players' careers

    But the players do. Those 2 things....plus obviously championships define a player's career.

    Unlike, say, the Oscars, which both George C. Scott and Marlon Brando turned down, you have never seen a player say "No thanks, don't bother putting me in the Hall of Fame"

    Maybe actors and some musicians think its cool to turn down HOF designation (Sex Pistols).....athletes do not.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @baconhound said:

    Yeah I really don't put much stock in All Star appearances or Hall of Fame inductions as the defining moment of players' careers

    But the players do. Those 2 things....plus obviously championships define a player's career.

    Unlike, say, the Oscars, which both George C. Scott and Marlon Brando turned down, you have never seen a player say "No thanks, don't bother putting me in the Hall of Fame"

    Maybe actors and some musicians think its cool to turn down HOF designation (Sex Pistols).....athletes do not.

    @the-gipper said:

    But the players do. Those 2 things....plus obviously championships define a player's career.

    Unlike, say, the Oscars, which both George C. Scott and Marlon Brando turned down, you have never seen a player say "No thanks, don't bother putting me in the Hall of Fame"

    Maybe actors and some musicians think its cool to turn down HOF designation (Sex Pistols).....athletes do not.

    Players like to be invited to sit with the cool kids, I don't disagree. As a fan there are players who don't deserve the accolades but get them and guys who don't them that should. When you have sportswriters and fans voting it never turns out well.

  • Warren Moon was a play-off choker and a wife-beater. He's in. Kurt Warner in his prime was as good as anyone and has a ring. Great guy too. He's not in.

  • S SkippinTurtles

    Warren Moon was a play-off choker and a wife-beater. He's in. Kurt Warner in his prime was as good as anyone and has a ring. Great guy too. He's not in.

    @skippinturtles said:

    Warren Moon was a play-off choker and a wife-beater. He's in. Kurt Warner in his prime was as good as anyone and has a ring. Great guy too. He's not in.

    Moon had to wait a while before being selected. Warner will probably get in quicker than Moon had to wait.

    Are you saying Moon is really no better than like Vinny Testaverde or Drew Bledsoe or Kerry Collins? Guys that had long productive careers yet really didn't excel in the post season?

    Perhaps....but I will give you these stats:

    Moon is #7 in all time passing yards with 49,325, But, remember....because of his race really he wasn't invited to play in the NFL until after he had spent 5 years in Canada. In Canada he had 21,228 yards passing in his 5 years.

    His total pro career yards would be 70,553....putting him #2 behind Favre if those were NFL yards.

    Also.....he did WIN 3 CFL Grey Cup Championships. So he didn't choke up there. (and I think that the PFHOF voters took a lot of his CFL experience into consideration....without which he may very well have just been Testaverde or Bledsoe)

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