2015 - FA / Draft / Notes
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If Kevin White is there at 12, I want him. Dez Bryant-like.
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If Kevin White is there at 12, I want him. Dez Bryant-like.
If Kevin White is there at 12, I want him. Dez Bryant-like
My analysis is Kevin White the TCU DB.
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I realize that; it happens to be poor placement of my post. I was reading from the previous page of posting when I posted & I didn't hit "Quote" to reply to anyone, so my post got bumped to the end & just happened to be there for your good analysis of DB Kevin White from TCU.
I appreciate your in-depth analysis scouting, tiamat63. I remember stories of Phil Savage valuing input from Browns believers like yourself, who inform themselves by scouting and have analysis ability garnered from a lifelong love of the Game.
I would much rather have DB Kevin White than Collins from LSU for the Browns. It would be great for the franchise to hit on DB in the 2nd-4th round of this draft, finding an immediate #3Corner for 2015, with upside to possibly start opposite Haden in the future. Hit a little closer to home why Justin Gilbert needs to get on the ball and be in a hurry to find his game. DB Kevin White of TCU would be a very good middle round pick, from your analysis.
My point was, WR Kevin White of WVU is can't miss talent at #12. He's a hungry go-getter, future star WR who just snatches balls with strong hands & frame. Comparable out of college to Dez Bryant & a younger Anquan Boldin. If he is there at #12, I want the best of rare talent available over a DT we'd select more to 'keep up with the Joneses' in the Division. My mindset for the draft: "Who gives the Division trouble," rather than, 'who keeps us up with the Joneses.' If we're going D at #12, I want a sure-thing disruptor; by that I mean a body, motor, & mind with a consistency that translates as leadership, not lean & freak athletics or a huge mass that sometimes is motivated that's made some plays on film that stick in our mind.
At #12, I do not want a project-potential disruptor over WR Kevin White. I think if White is not there, you look for an edge disruptor first, before falling back on DT Danny Shelton or OL Sherff. This is a big pick at #12 for the franchise.... missing a transcending Pro (a Pro-Bowler) would set the franchise back, looking 5 years on in the Division. Every year doesn't need to be a hit with pick one, but this year DOES. Especially this year.
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So which edge disruptor did you have in mind?
And were we to pick Scherff at all let alone at 12, then I might have to buy a new big screen...
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So which edge disruptor did you have in mind?
And were we to pick Scherff at all let alone at 12, then I might have to buy a new big screen...
So which edge disruptor did you have in mind?
And were we to pick Scherff at all let alone at 12, then I might have to buy a new big screen...
i'd run out and get the UHD curved joint from samsung.
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I realize that; it happens to be poor placement of my post. I was reading from the previous page of posting when I posted & I didn't hit "Quote" to reply to anyone, so my post got bumped to the end & just happened to be there for your good analysis of DB Kevin White from TCU.
I appreciate your in-depth analysis scouting, tiamat63. I remember stories of Phil Savage valuing input from Browns believers like yourself, who inform themselves by scouting and have analysis ability garnered from a lifelong love of the Game.
I would much rather have DB Kevin White than Collins from LSU for the Browns. It would be great for the franchise to hit on DB in the 2nd-4th round of this draft, finding an immediate #3Corner for 2015, with upside to possibly start opposite Haden in the future. Hit a little closer to home why Justin Gilbert needs to get on the ball and be in a hurry to find his game. DB Kevin White of TCU would be a very good middle round pick, from your analysis.
My point was, WR Kevin White of WVU is can't miss talent at #12. He's a hungry go-getter, future star WR who just snatches balls with strong hands & frame. Comparable out of college to Dez Bryant & a younger Anquan Boldin. If he is there at #12, I want the best of rare talent available over a DT we'd select more to 'keep up with the Joneses' in the Division. My mindset for the draft: "Who gives the Division trouble," rather than, 'who keeps us up with the Joneses.' If we're going D at #12, I want a sure-thing disruptor; by that I mean a body, motor, & mind with a consistency that translates as leadership, not lean & freak athletics or a huge mass that sometimes is motivated that's made some plays on film that stick in our mind.
At #12, I do not want a project-potential disruptor over WR Kevin White. I think if White is not there, you look for an edge disruptor first, before falling back on DT Danny Shelton or OL Sherff. This is a big pick at #12 for the franchise.... missing a transcending Pro (a Pro-Bowler) would set the franchise back, looking 5 years on in the Division. Every year doesn't need to be a hit with pick one, but this year DOES. Especially this year.
At #12, I do not want a project-potential disruptor over WR Kevin White. I think if White is not there, you look for an edge disruptor first, before falling back on DT Danny Shelton or OL Sherff. This is a big pick at #12 for the franchise.... missing a transcending Pro (a Pro-Bowler) would set the franchise back, looking 5 years on in the Division. Every year doesn't need to be a hit with pick one, but this year DOES. Especially this year.
I can assure you that Shelton is no project. He'll be working on his conditioning, yes. However with the loss of Rub, Danny would start day 1 and his presence would be felt immediately.
There is no "edge disruptor" worthy of a top 20 pick, IMHO. Schreff I'm praying is snatched up by the Gmen that was the Browns can avoid the pitfall of taking him, let alone an offensive lineman that high.
Don't get me wrong, I like White. If his hands stay true in the NFL I think he could be the next Fitzgerald. I'm actually hoping his 40 time is subpar, but has a good 10/20 yard split and shuttle. He would fall down draft boards and we could pick him up. Again, just like Fitz, he won't be a vertical threat in the sense of speed. However he'll simply out muscle you to the ball.
If you're asking me whom I'm taking at 12 between White or Shelton? Its Danny 8 days a week. There is plenty of WR talent in this draft to go around.
I appreciate your in-depth analysis scouting, tiamat63. I remember stories of Phil Savage valuing input from Browns believers like yourself, who inform themselves by scouting and have analysis ability garnered from a lifelong love of the Game
Phil Savage road the coat tails of Ozzie Newsome. The man had one good pick he can call all his in Joe Thomas. Of course the Browns need at OT after 06 was so god damn glaring you'd have to have been Ray Charles not to see it. Beyond that, a failure to identify talent or manage his picks (See: Quinn, Brady) the only reason he or anyone else would listen to the general public is either that they're truly over their head - or- enjoy paying lip service to said fans.
So if that's the case, Phil has both the excuse he "listened to the fans" and the inability to realize that you don't want to listen to their input very much. As its my knowledge point, 95% of fans in general have very little idea what they're watching with any detail when the action on the field occurs.
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I might be able to live with that trade for Winston as McShay rates him as the best player in the entire Draft - even with his warts . . . but damn, that's an awful lot when we have so many holes to fill.
Side note: (McQuistan) Not a huge loss, but it does create yet another hole to fill.
No... no loss whatsoever. McQ was a waste of space. Painter and Bowie were in storage and should both emerge in 2015. One replaces McQ and the other should send Seymore packing.
On Winston... if I had the #1 overall I would not hesitate to spend it on Winston. But trading up he gets even more expensive. Harder call in my mind. I assume the third #1 you mention would be our 2016? That makes it really hard...
And as WSH found out, if MM goes #1 to the Bucs, then that #2 pick gets to be awfully pricey as well.
So Gilbert all of sudden has his shit together ?
Browns just are not going to offer Shrine what the open market will. A least not with Gilbert, Desir and K'Waun on the roster. Thought has to be that at least one will step up.
No... no loss whatsoever. McQ was a waste of space. Painter and Bowie were in storage and should both emerge in 2015. One replaces McQ and the other should send Seymore packing.
On Winston... if I had the #1 overall I would not hesitate to spend it on Winston. But trading up he gets even more expensive. Harder call in my mind. I assume the third #1 you mention would be our 2016? That makes it really hard...
And as WSH found out, if MM goes #1 to the Bucs, then that #2 pick gets to be awfully pricey as well.
Browns just are not going to offer Shrine what the open market will. A least not with Gilbert, Desir and K'Waun on the roster. Thought has to be that at least one will step up.
Too freakin' busy . . .
I keep forgetting about the OL (Bowie ?) we poached from Seattle - went looking for a Browns IR list and never really found a good one, I'm thinking we may have someone else stashed on IR but I haven't had the time to dig into it.
Yeah, both #1's this year plus #1 next year to move up, might well take more.
Lot of Red flags coming out on Winston for Off-Field issues, but some Analysts have him as the best Athlete in this Draft.
I like his potential, but I'm still a little gun shy after the Manziel experience we just went through.
Pettine said they're going to try to bring Skrine back, but it might be tough, he's going to be a hot commodity in FA.
Interesting comment from one of Pettine's interviews yesterday :
Daryl Ruiter @RuiterWrongFAN · 18h 18 hours ago Pettine described CB Justin Gilbert's issues as "very personal" - had good meeting with him before he left town for offseason #Browns
Maybe there's some hope for Gilbert, the kids got talent, just needs to get his head squared away.
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So Gilbert all of sudden has his shit together ?
And Buster does????.....Ill admit he looked better this year, but I wouldnt say "good"......
Skrine damn, the flood gates are opening in C-town to get out Just when you started to play well.. He was Burnt like toast for 2years
Actually, he was burnt plenty of times this year too......gave up 8 tds and had massive penalties.....dude is flailing out there.....
Browns just are not going to offer Shrine what the open market will. A least not with Gilbert, Desir and K'Waun on the roster. Thought has to be that at least one will step up.
Definitely, with 3 players all of whom have higher upsides than Skrine, I think they'll play the odds that one(or 2 even) can step in and handle the job as well or better than Skrine......
And Buster does????.....Ill admit he looked better this year, but I wouldnt say "good"......
Actually, he was burnt plenty of times this year too......gave up 8 tds and had massive penalties.....dude is flailing out there.....
Definitely, with 3 players all of whom have higher upsides than Skrine, I think they'll play the odds that one(or 2 even) can step in and handle the job as well or better than Skrine......
Saw a comment from Pettine a few days back about Skrine, basically said everyone loved him and that they way they are asking him to play (aggressively) is why he pulls so many Flags.
The kid is the second fastest player on the Team (behind Benji), and to my eye he's gotten better every year . . . I remember that first year he really looked bad pulling back to back penalties.
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You make Collins sound like a good SS candidate.
I wouldn't go as far as to say he's a good SS candidate, but I wasn't very impressive with Durell Eskridge. Collins might just be a better prospect, but not by a whole hell of a lot.
When I think of a SS in this defense, I think of Ward and Donte. Not afraid to come up and lay the lumber. Neither of those guys are in that mold, even for how physical Collins is at the CB spot.
Kevin White (TCU)... on the other hand. He looks like a smaller version of Haden in pads. He's the size of Buster, but plays much bigger than he is. Good wingspan, comfortable in off coverage, sound footwork, smooth back peddle with good balance because of his size. The thing that really sticks out to me that makes me draw the Haden comparison so much is 1) the willingness to come up and tackle 2) his ability to drive on the ball. That is was separates good corners from average corners. Your ability to see something, plant your foot and attack quickly. Joe has that, so does Kevin. I like what I see. I'm going to be watching this kid intently during the combine.
I wouldn't go as far as to say he's a good SS candidate, but I wasn't very impressive with Durell Eskridge. Collins might just be a better prospect, but not by a whole hell of a lot.
When I think of a SS in this defense, I think of Ward and Donte. Not afraid to come up and lay the lumber. Neither of those guys are in that mold, even for how physical Collins is at the CB spot.
Kevin White (TCU)... on the other hand. He looks like a smaller version of Haden in pads. He's the size of Buster, but plays much bigger than he is. Good wingspan, comfortable in off coverage, sound footwork, smooth back peddle with good balance because of his size. The thing that really sticks out to me that makes me draw the Haden comparison so much is 1) the willingness to come up and tackle 2) his ability to drive on the ball. That is was separates good corners from average corners. Your ability to see something, plant your foot and attack quickly. Joe has that, so does Kevin. I like what I see. I'm going to be watching this kid intently during the combine.
Physical, aggressive CB sounds right up Pettines lane.
We picked up another DB yesterday :
Mary Kay Cabot @MaryKayCabot · 21h 21 hours ago #Browns signed DB Varmah Sonie today. 5-8, 180, in first season out of Northern Iowa. Spent 2 weeks of on Bucs' practice squad in '14.
A bit smallish for my tastes, sounds a like Trufant from last year, just not durable enough to make it to the Season though.
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Some quick tidbits of interest :
Mary Kay Cabot @MaryKayCabot · 21h 21 hours ago Arizona State guard Jamil Douglas said he met with the #Browns at the Senior Bowl and here at the Combine.#nfldraft
Mary Kay Cabot @MaryKayCabot · 18h 18 hours ago Oklahoma TE Blake Bell said he talked to #Browns at East-West Shrine game and at Combine, informally. Has watched J. Cameron film #nfldraft
Daniel Jeremiah @MoveTheSticks · 2h 2 hours ago Mariota bigger than expected, Winston smaller than expected. Both 6'3 3/4
Uh oh :
Mary Kay Cabot @MaryKayCabot · 3m 3 minutes ago #Browns Farmer said he's done a cost-benefit analysis on trading up for a QB
Daryl Ruiter @RuiterWrongFAN · 19h 19 hours ago Pettine confirms Barkevious Mingo had successful surgery on shoulder #Browns
Daryl Ruiter @RuiterWrongFAN · 19h 19 hours ago Pettine said re-signing TE Jordan Cameron "being discussed" but w/cap "it's gotta be the right player 1st and it's gotta be the right price"
Pettine on Shanahan :
Daryl Ruiter @RuiterWrongFAN · 16h 16 hours ago "The bottom line is essentially that Kyle didn’t want to be a part of the organization. You can use the word quit. Those are the facts"
Daryl Ruiter @RuiterWrongFAN · 16h 16 hours ago "If a guy didn't want to be a part of it, I wasn't going to waste time on it. I didn't need to go through 32 points or whatever it was"
Daryl Ruiter @RuiterWrongFAN · 11m 11 minutes ago "There is a plan, there are names and there is a pecking order" - Farmer on QB plan
Hmmmm :
Mary Kay Cabot @MaryKayCabot · 18m 18 minutes ago #Browns on QB pool in free agency: "Just because a player didn't'' succeed in one place doesn't mean he won't succeed in another.
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Hit my quote limit on the above message ?
Dane Brugler @dpbrugler · Feb 17 Marcus Mariota & Brett Hundley almost identical on 3rd down this year: MM: 60-91 (65.9%) 4:1 TD:INT ratio BH: 60-91 (65.9%) 5:1 TD:INT ratio
Dane Brugler @dpbrugler · 23h 23 hours ago TE Maxx Williams has said he has official meetings with the Browns, Broncos and several others
Dane Brugler @dpbrugler · 3h 3 hours ago WR Nelson Agholor has met with only one team: Cleveland Browns
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Agholor is a 4th round receiver I've been wondering about.
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i'd run out and get the UHD curved joint from samsung.
I don't get the whole "curved" thing... not like I watch a lot of Cinerama...
Look it up kids...
Some quick tidbits of interest :
Uh oh :
Pettine on Shanahan :
Hmmmm :
Why is it every non-MKC tweet is attributed to a major figure in the Browns organization, but hers not so much?
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Posted Yesterday, 04:45 PM
Agholor is a 4th round receiver I've been wondering about. tiam***********************************************Agholor will go higher than that after the combine. Think more like at least late second round.He's quite a player, just not a first rounder... imhso.
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i'd run out and get the UHD curved joint from samsung.
I don't get the whole "curved" thing... not like I watch a lot of Cinerama...
Look it up kids...
Some quick tidbits of interest :
Uh oh :
Pettine on Shanahan :
Hmmmm :
Why is it every non-MKC tweet is attributed to a major figure in the Browns organization, but hers not so much?
Why is it every non-MKC tweet is attributed to a major figure in the Browns organization, but hers not so much?
She usually brings up the tail end after everyone else has reported it, but she gets a scoop every once in a while.
Several others confirmed her posts, I just came across hers first so went with that.
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Starting to look like they're targeting mid to late WR's - missed this one yesterday :
Aaron WilsonVerified account @RavensInsider Stefon Diggs says he has met with the Ravens and Redskins and Browns
QB for yesterday missed as well :
Tony Grossi @TonyGrossi · 20h 20 hours ago UCLA QB Brett Hundley said he has met w #Browns at combine.
Wow . . . :
Tony Grossi @TonyGrossi · 20h 20 hours ago Baylor QB Bryce Petty said Senior Bowl was 1st time he experienced what a play call was.
Short piece on OL Bowie :
Dawg Pound Journal: Michael Bowie could compete for starting spot at right tackle
Posted 1 hour ago
Kevin Jones Staff Writer @Mr_KevinJones Facebook 
INDIANAPOLIS – Some NFL draft analysts milling around the NFL Combine have been keen on the Browns selecting a right tackle with one of their two selections in the first round.
Coach Mike Pettine said current right tackle Mitchell Schwartz
had some plays he wanted to take back, but overall had a solid year.Pettine didn’t shoot down upgrading the position, and he went out of his way to remind the media the Browns have stashed away a player who could end up being a starter: Michael Bowie
.“We got him from Seattle,” Pettine reminded reporters. “He had his shoulder operated on and he sat out the whole year. We’re very interested to see what he brings to the table. Whether he can give us some depth there or compete for a starting position.”
The Seahawks had hoped to keep Bowie but the Browns plucked him back in August. The 6-foot-5, 320-pounder started eight games for Seattle in 2013, the year the franchise won the Super Bowl. Bowie is regarded as a staunch, athletic run blocker.
“We want guys to come in and push to make us better as a football team,” Browns general manager Ray Farmer said.
Bowie is entering his third season from Northeastern State (Okla.)
(Another) Red Flag ? :
Marcus Mariota says his biggest adjustment will be huddling
No QB, DL depleted, WR's out . . . where's this coming from ? :
Dawg Pound Journal: NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport thinks Browns will be in 2015 playoff hunt
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#Jags receiver Cecil Shorts would be interested in signing with hometown team #Browns, I'm told http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns/post/_/id/11898/browns-free-agency-buzz-on-brian-hoyer-cecil-shorts
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Post may be more appropriate here...
The mid round WR I'm intrigued by is the kid from E. Carolina, Justin Hardy. And my "who's that WR", Combine moment was provided by Chris Conley.
Of the RBs Ameer Abdullah impressed and Matt Jones reinforced my FB conversion vision for him.
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