Fanspeak draft simulator (You make the picks)
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TY... 6th and 7th are kicker/ punter territory... at least this year.
I knew I was reaching for Ali and Bryce and would get slammed, but when you want a player and have that many picks...WTH. Besides I never have figured out how to score near 7k in that sim, so I stopped trying.
What bothers me about it and the other sims now, is that our 19th pick is ending up in a desert. I managed one trade down, to 20, but then had no offers. So I was essentially forced to take Clemmings. Not a bad thing, but I'd have preferred an OLB. They were all gone.
TY... 6th and 7th are kicker/ punter territory... at least this year.
I knew I was reaching for Ali and Bryce and would get slammed, but when you want a player and have that many picks...WTH. Besides I never have figured out how to score near 7k in that sim, so I stopped trying.
What bothers me about it and the other sims now, is that our 19th pick is ending up in a desert. I managed one trade down, to 20, but then had no offers. So I was essentially forced to take Clemmings. Not a bad thing, but I'd have preferred an OLB. They were all gone.
Im bet 6100-6500 everytime......never close to 7K....
my best have come by trading back from 12 to 13 to 14 etc......usually end up with something like the 20 & 21 picks, plus about 6 2nd rounders and extra 3rds.....ha!
Wish it worked this way in reality, because Id take the 2 late 1sts and 6-2nd rounders everytime...
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I shot for something approaching realistic if Shelton is gone. White and Cooper were gone as well.
So this is my defense heavy draft to make up for that loss and subsequent trade downs.
The Saints desperately needed an OT, offered me their 2nd rounder to move up one spot. Yes, please.
The Panthers we're the same sitting at 25. Offered me their 2nd and 3rd rounder.
Round 1 Pick 13 (N.O.): Malcom Brown, DT, Texas (B+)
Round 1 Pick 25 (CAR): Nate Orchard, OLB/DE, Utah (B-)
Round 2 Pick 11: Devin Smith, WR, Ohio State (B+)
Round 2 Pick 12 (N.O.): Carl Davis, DT/DE, Iowa (C+)
Round 2 Pick 25 (CAR): Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (B-)
Round 3 Pick 13: Garrett Grayson, QB, Colorado State (B-)
Round 3 Pick 25 (CAR): Kevin White, CB, TCU (B+)
Round 4 Pick 12: Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart & William Smith (
Round 4 Pick 16: B.J. Finney, C, Kansas State (B-)
Round 5 Pick 11: Jeff Heuerman, TE, Ohio State (B+)
Round 6 Pick 13: Anthony Jefferson, SS, UCLA
Round 6 Pick 26: Max Valles, OLB, Virginia (C-)
Round 7 Pick 12: Jeremiah Detmer, K, Toledo (F) -
Defensive guys are hot now....all my picks for 12 were gone, so the ole trade back again.....almost all A's and still only 6557(glass ceiling?)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 19: Kevin White, WR, West Virginia (A)
Round 1 Pick 21 (CINN): T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh (AÂ)
Round 2 Pick 11: Eddie Goldman, DT, Florida State (A)
Round 2 Pick 12 (N.O.): Benardrick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi State (AÂ)
Round 2 Pick 17 (K.C.): Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin (A)
Round 2 Pick 21 (CINN): Nate Orchard, OLB/DE, Utah (A)
Round 3 Pick 13: Josue Matias, OG, Florida State (A)
Round 3 Pick 16 (K.C.): Nick O'Leary, TE, Florida State (C+)
Round 3 Pick 21 (CINN): Andy Gallik, C, Boston College (AÂ)
Round 4 Pick 12: Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor (
Round 4 Pick 16: Steven Nelson, CB, Oregon State (A)
Round 5 Pick 11: Justin Hardy, WR, East Carolina (A)
Round 6 Pick 13: Tyler Varga, FB, Yale (A)
Round 6 Pick 26: Zach Wagenmann, DE, Montana (B+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Kyle Brindza, K, Notre Dame (A)
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ok...one more...Shelton was there at 12, so I stayed pat....
Your score is: 6231 (GRADE: A)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 12: Danny Shelton, DT, Washington (A)
Round 1 Pick 25 (CAR): T.J. Clemmings, OT, Pittsburgh (A)
Round 2 Pick 11: Maxx Williams, TE, Minnesota (B+)
Round 2 Pick 25 (CAR): Dorial GreenÂBeckham, WR, Oklahoma (A)
Round 3 Pick 13: Andy Gallik, C, Boston College (B+)
Round 3 Pick 25 (CAR): Markus Golden, OLB/ILB, Missouri (
Round 4 Pick 12: Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart & William Smith (
Round 4 Pick 17 (HOU): Ibraheim Campbell, SS, Northwestern (
Round 5 Pick 11: Doran Grant, CB, Ohio State (A)
Round 5 Pick 16 (HOU): Zach Hodges, OLB, Harvard (AÂ)
Round 6 Pick 13: Sean Mannion, QB, Oregon State (CÂ)
Round 6 Pick 26: Justin Manton, K, LouisianaÂMonroe (A)
Round 7 Pick 12: James Rouse, DE, Marshall (B+)
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Re: The Marcus Golden pick.
If the Browns didn't have so many needs, I'd take him that high. More specifically needs that could be filled in that round by a player able to step up and provide immediate quality depth,
such as along the Oline. Marcus has the potential, but for this team and this defense, he would be a several year project.
His first step is slightly about average, he has decent hand use and fights through contact when attacking the inside. He doesn't have that elite burst, appears limited in space and as far as I can tell, as never been asked to play from a 2 point stance. His secondary pass rush move is non existent and he would most likely not provide any contribution his first year. Even then, there are players with a better athletic makeup and a higher ceiling that can be had later in the draft whom would pay off just as much if not more with the same patience. I..e Max Valles
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Re: The Marcus Golden pick.
If the Browns didn't have so many needs, I'd take him that high. More specifically needs that could be filled in that round by a player able to step up and provide immediate quality depth,
such as along the Oline. Marcus has the potential, but for this team and this defense, he would be a several year project.
His first step is slightly about average, he has decent hand use and fights through contact when attacking the inside. He doesn't have that elite burst, appears limited in space and as far as I can tell, as never been asked to play from a 2 point stance. His secondary pass rush move is non existent and he would most likely not provide any contribution his first year. Even then, there are players with a better athletic makeup and a higher ceiling that can be had later in the draft whom would pay off just as much if not more with the same patience. I..e Max Valles
Re: The Marcus Golden pick.
If the Browns didn't have so many needs, I'd take him that high. More specifically needs that could be filled in that round by a player able to step up and provide immediate quality depth,
The more of these I do and the more I review the past season, I really feel we can go bpa in most places and be ok....while I agree with our "needs list", I dont think things are quite as bad as folks think.....and we can afford a project or 2 along the way....
I think our D-line will return healthy AND with a full year in this new system and they will be much better than what we saw. Just one year ago, the consensus(by almost everyone) was our line was deep and talented.....I think it still is....add a top pick and were in great shape...
Which brings me to LB's, who I believe are fairly decent right now and will also be much improved with a healthy line infront of them...add another up and comer like Kirksey and hope Mingo steps up(I think he will) and...bam....
Which brings me to DB's....which we know are solid as they come.....we'll add some depth, Im sure.....
But, I dont see any positions as life or death......and dont think it's nearly as dire as so many act like it is.....
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Re: The Marcus Golden pick.
If the Browns didn't have so many needs, I'd take him that high. More specifically needs that could be filled in that round by a player able to step up and provide immediate quality depth,
The more of these I do and the more I review the past season, I really feel we can go bpa in most places and be ok....while I agree with our "needs list", I dont think things are quite as bad as folks think.....and we can afford a project or 2 along the way....
I think our D-line will return healthy AND with a full year in this new system and they will be much better than what we saw. Just one year ago, the consensus(by almost everyone) was our line was deep and talented.....I think it still is....add a top pick and were in great shape...
Which brings me to LB's, who I believe are fairly decent right now and will also be much improved with a healthy line infront of them...add another up and comer like Kirksey and hope Mingo steps up(I think he will) and...bam....
Which brings me to DB's....which we know are solid as they come.....we'll add some depth, Im sure.....
But, I dont see any positions as life or death......and dont think it's nearly as dire as so many act like it is.....
The more of these I do and the more I review the past season, I really feel we can go bpa in most places and be ok....while I agree with our "needs list", I dont think things are quite as bad as folks think.....and we can afford a project or 2 along the way....
I think our D-line will return healthy AND with a full year in this new system and they will be much better than what we saw. Just one year ago, the consensus(by almost everyone) was our line was deep and talented.....I think it still is....add a top pick and were in great shape...
Which brings me to LB's, who I believe are fairly decent right now and will also be much improved with a healthy line infront of them...add another up and comer like Kirksey and hope Mingo steps up(I think he will) and...bam....
Which brings me to DB's....which we know are solid as they come.....we'll add some depth, Im sure.....
But, I dont see any positions as life or death......and dont think it's nearly as dire as so many act like it is.....
For the most part I agree, the nucleus to a successful team is there. However you always have to account for injuries, especially when you're the Cleveland Browns.
The only real areas I see of immediate attention are NT/DT/however you'd like to label our 0/1 tech player, WR and perhaps TE. Two of those 3 can be filled nicely in the mid to later rounds. Depth on the Oline, OLB and DB can be addressed in harmony with those picks. This is a fantastic draft that matches up well with the Browns relation to needs and BPA.
The sky certainly isn't falling. A quality draft and health withstanding, this team could very well take that next step forward.
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The more of these I do and the more I review the past season, I really feel we can go bpa in most places and be ok....while I agree with our "needs list", I dont think things are quite as bad as folks think.....and we can afford a project or 2 along the way....
I think our D-line will return healthy AND with a full year in this new system and they will be much better than what we saw. Just one year ago, the consensus(by almost everyone) was our line was deep and talented.....I think it still is....add a top pick and were in great shape...
Which brings me to LB's, who I believe are fairly decent right now and will also be much improved with a healthy line infront of them...add another up and comer like Kirksey and hope Mingo steps up(I think he will) and...bam....
Which brings me to DB's....which we know are solid as they come.....we'll add some depth, Im sure.....
But, I dont see any positions as life or death......and dont think it's nearly as dire as so many act like it is.....
For the most part I agree, the nucleus to a successful team is there. However you always have to account for injuries, especially when you're the Cleveland Browns.
The only real areas I see of immediate attention are NT/DT/however you'd like to label our 0/1 tech player, WR and perhaps TE. Two of those 3 can be filled nicely in the mid to later rounds. Depth on the Oline, OLB and DB can be addressed in harmony with those picks. This is a fantastic draft that matches up well with the Browns relation to needs and BPA.
The sky certainly isn't falling. A quality draft and health withstanding, this team could very well take that next step forward.
For the most part I agree, the nucleus to a successful team is there. However you always have to account for injuries, especially when you're the Cleveland Browns.
The only real areas I see of immediate attention are NT/DT/however you'd like to label our 0/1 tech player, WR and perhaps TE. Two of those 3 can be filled nicely in the mid to later rounds. Depth on the Oline, OLB and DB can be addressed in harmony with those picks. This is a fantastic draft that matches up well with the Browns relation to needs and BPA.
The sky certainly isn't falling. A quality draft and health withstanding, this team could very well take that next step forward.
Yep....Im with you.....and due to the depth at many of our primary needs and after some of those mocks....Id be very willing to consider one or a couple trade backs
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My best so far-I think they have the ratings on Kendricks and McKinney reversed, but I could not pass up either one where I got them. Conley was a reach from a run oriented Georgia. (My punter was gone by then)
Your score is: 6444 (GRADE: A)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 12: Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford (A)
Round 1 Pick 24 (ARI): Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin (A-)
Round 2 Pick 11: Benardrick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 21 (CINN): Carl Davis, DT/DE, Iowa (A)
Round 2 Pick 23 (ARI): Eric Kendricks, ILB/OLB, UCLA (B-)
Round 3 Pick 13: Devin Smith, WR, Ohio State (A)
Round 3 Pick 22 (ARI): Andy Gallik, C, Boston College (A-)
Round 4 Pick 12: Henry Anderson, DE, Stanford (A-)
Round 4 Pick 16: Nick O'Leary, TE, Florida State (A)
Round 4 Pick 21 (CINN): Tyler Lockett, WR, Kansas State (B+)
Round 4 Pick 24 (ARI): Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor (A-)
Round 5 Pick 11: Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart & William Smith (A)
Round 6 Pick 13: Tyler Varga, FB, Yale (A)
Round 6 Pick 27 (DEN): Justin Manton, K, Louisiana-Monroe (A)
Round 7 Pick 16 (K.C.): Chris Conley, WR, GeorgiaI "stole" Varga from you Mudfly-how'd you find out about that guy?
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Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 12: Malcom Brown, DT, Texas (B+)
Round 1 Pick 19: Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 11: Benardrick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi State (A-)
Round 3 Pick 13: Preston Smith, DE, Mississippi State (A-)
Round 4 Pick 12: Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor (
Round 4 Pick 16: Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart & William Smith (
Round 5 Pick 11: B.J. Finney, C, Kansas State (A)
Round 6 Pick 13: Sean Hickey, OT, Syracuse (C+)
Round 6 Pick 26: Craig Mager, CB, Texas State (
Round 7 Pick 12: Josh Robinson, RB, Mississippi St. (B+)
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Re: The Marcus Golden pick.
If the Browns didn't have so many needs, I'd take him that high. More specifically needs that could be filled in that round by a player able to step up and provide immediate quality depth,
such as along the Oline. Marcus has the potential, but for this team and this defense, he would be a several year project.
His first step is slightly about average, he has decent hand use and fights through contact when attacking the inside. He doesn't have that elite burst, appears limited in space and as far as I can tell, as never been asked to play from a 2 point stance. His secondary pass rush move is non existent and he would most likely not provide any contribution his first year. Even then, there are players with a better athletic makeup and a higher ceiling that can be had later in the draft whom would pay off just as much if not more with the same patience. I..e Max Valles
We seem to be developing a fair amount of group think this year. It's both new and kinda scary.
Re: The Marcus Golden pick.
At the start of the sim it offered Golden as a DE, then a DE/ OLB (I like added the multiple positions wrinkle) and now the choices are OLB/ ILB. Have to say I did not see him as an ILB and the once or twice I've picked him to play ILB the grade has not been kind despite the position still being one of need.
Speaking of ILBs... the late round prospect I've really warmed to is KU's Ben Heeney.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
We seem to be developing a fair amount of group think this year. It's both new and kinda scary.
Re: The Marcus Golden pick.
At the start of the sim it offered Golden as a DE, then a DE/ OLB (I like added the multiple positions wrinkle) and now the choices are OLB/ ILB. Have to say I did not see him as an ILB and the once or twice I've picked him to play ILB the grade has not been kind despite the position still being one of need.
Speaking of ILBs... the late round prospect I've really warmed to is KU's Ben Heeney.
We seem to be developing a fair amount of group think this year. It's both new and kinda scary.
At the start of the sim it offered Golden as a DE, then a DE/ OLB (I like added the multiple positions wrinkle) and now the choices are OLB/ ILB. Have to say I did not see him as an ILB and the once or twice I've picked him to play ILB the grade has not been kind despite the position still being one of need.
Speaking of ILBs.. the late round prospect I've really warmed to is KU's Benn Heeney.
He's a compliment to an elite pass rusher on the other side. He doesn't have the ability that Shane Rey does, nor the athletic fluid movement in space.
I see Golden the same way I viewed Sheard when we took him. A slightly above average LDE that will hold the point against the run and net you half dozen sacks a year or so.
Benn Heeney? I've seen the named tossed around, can't say I've watched him. I got to see a glimpse of Perrimen when Mizzou played UCF. I was planning on watching more of him today.
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OK-I quit till April after this one. Only need I could not fill well was ILB, but with Dupree and Brown up front life for that position just got much easier.
Your score is: 6876 (GRADE: A+)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 12: Alvin Dupree, DE/OLB, Kentucky (A)
Round 1 Pick 19: Malcom Brown, DT, Texas (A-)
Round 2 Pick 11: Ereck Flowers, OT, Miami (Fla.) (A)
Round 3 Pick 13: Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (A)
Round 4 Pick 12: Garrett Grayson, QB, Colorado State (A)
Round 4 Pick 16: Andy Gallik, C, Boston College (A)
Round 5 Pick 11: Tyler Lockett, WR, Kansas State (A)
Round 6 Pick 13: Tyler Varga, FB, Yale (A)
Round 6 Pick 26: Kyle Brindza, K, Notre Dame (
Round 7 Pick 12: Kyle Loomis, P, Portland State (B+) -
How is it some of you get grades with your draft? I have done it a couple of times but never got a grade.
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Grades are on First-Pick, bp...
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12: R1P12
OT T.J. CLEMMINGS
PITTSBURGH
19: R1P19
WR AMARI COOPER
ALABAMA
43: R2P11
ILB DENZEL PERRYMAN
MIAMI
77: R3P13
DT GRADY JARRETT
CLEMSON
108: R4P12
TE JEFF HEUERMAN
OHIO STATE
112: R4P16
WR TYLER LOCKETT
KANSAS STATE
This would be a beast of a draft.....
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I could have taken Winston with my first pick, but I passed on him. Would you guys have taken him
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Yes...
Every time Jameis or Marcus has fallen to 12 I've taken them.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Yes...Every time Jameis or Marcus has fallen to 12 I've taken them.
I was thinking though.... Everyone else is passing on him, so what makes him good for us and bad for them?
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I was thinking though.... Everyone else is passing on him, so what makes him good for us and bad for them?
In this hypothetical situation, many things could be a factor.
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