Fanspeak draft simulator (You make the picks)
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Re: The Marcus Golden pick.
If the Browns didn't have so many needs, I'd take him that high. More specifically needs that could be filled in that round by a player able to step up and provide immediate quality depth,
such as along the Oline. Marcus has the potential, but for this team and this defense, he would be a several year project.
His first step is slightly about average, he has decent hand use and fights through contact when attacking the inside. He doesn't have that elite burst, appears limited in space and as far as I can tell, as never been asked to play from a 2 point stance. His secondary pass rush move is non existent and he would most likely not provide any contribution his first year. Even then, there are players with a better athletic makeup and a higher ceiling that can be had later in the draft whom would pay off just as much if not more with the same patience. I..e Max Valles
Re: The Marcus Golden pick.
If the Browns didn't have so many needs, I'd take him that high. More specifically needs that could be filled in that round by a player able to step up and provide immediate quality depth,
The more of these I do and the more I review the past season, I really feel we can go bpa in most places and be ok....while I agree with our "needs list", I dont think things are quite as bad as folks think.....and we can afford a project or 2 along the way....
I think our D-line will return healthy AND with a full year in this new system and they will be much better than what we saw. Just one year ago, the consensus(by almost everyone) was our line was deep and talented.....I think it still is....add a top pick and were in great shape...
Which brings me to LB's, who I believe are fairly decent right now and will also be much improved with a healthy line infront of them...add another up and comer like Kirksey and hope Mingo steps up(I think he will) and...bam....
Which brings me to DB's....which we know are solid as they come.....we'll add some depth, Im sure.....
But, I dont see any positions as life or death......and dont think it's nearly as dire as so many act like it is.....
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Re: The Marcus Golden pick.
If the Browns didn't have so many needs, I'd take him that high. More specifically needs that could be filled in that round by a player able to step up and provide immediate quality depth,
The more of these I do and the more I review the past season, I really feel we can go bpa in most places and be ok....while I agree with our "needs list", I dont think things are quite as bad as folks think.....and we can afford a project or 2 along the way....
I think our D-line will return healthy AND with a full year in this new system and they will be much better than what we saw. Just one year ago, the consensus(by almost everyone) was our line was deep and talented.....I think it still is....add a top pick and were in great shape...
Which brings me to LB's, who I believe are fairly decent right now and will also be much improved with a healthy line infront of them...add another up and comer like Kirksey and hope Mingo steps up(I think he will) and...bam....
Which brings me to DB's....which we know are solid as they come.....we'll add some depth, Im sure.....
But, I dont see any positions as life or death......and dont think it's nearly as dire as so many act like it is.....
The more of these I do and the more I review the past season, I really feel we can go bpa in most places and be ok....while I agree with our "needs list", I dont think things are quite as bad as folks think.....and we can afford a project or 2 along the way....
I think our D-line will return healthy AND with a full year in this new system and they will be much better than what we saw. Just one year ago, the consensus(by almost everyone) was our line was deep and talented.....I think it still is....add a top pick and were in great shape...
Which brings me to LB's, who I believe are fairly decent right now and will also be much improved with a healthy line infront of them...add another up and comer like Kirksey and hope Mingo steps up(I think he will) and...bam....
Which brings me to DB's....which we know are solid as they come.....we'll add some depth, Im sure.....
But, I dont see any positions as life or death......and dont think it's nearly as dire as so many act like it is.....
For the most part I agree, the nucleus to a successful team is there. However you always have to account for injuries, especially when you're the Cleveland Browns.
The only real areas I see of immediate attention are NT/DT/however you'd like to label our 0/1 tech player, WR and perhaps TE. Two of those 3 can be filled nicely in the mid to later rounds. Depth on the Oline, OLB and DB can be addressed in harmony with those picks. This is a fantastic draft that matches up well with the Browns relation to needs and BPA.
The sky certainly isn't falling. A quality draft and health withstanding, this team could very well take that next step forward.
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The more of these I do and the more I review the past season, I really feel we can go bpa in most places and be ok....while I agree with our "needs list", I dont think things are quite as bad as folks think.....and we can afford a project or 2 along the way....
I think our D-line will return healthy AND with a full year in this new system and they will be much better than what we saw. Just one year ago, the consensus(by almost everyone) was our line was deep and talented.....I think it still is....add a top pick and were in great shape...
Which brings me to LB's, who I believe are fairly decent right now and will also be much improved with a healthy line infront of them...add another up and comer like Kirksey and hope Mingo steps up(I think he will) and...bam....
Which brings me to DB's....which we know are solid as they come.....we'll add some depth, Im sure.....
But, I dont see any positions as life or death......and dont think it's nearly as dire as so many act like it is.....
For the most part I agree, the nucleus to a successful team is there. However you always have to account for injuries, especially when you're the Cleveland Browns.
The only real areas I see of immediate attention are NT/DT/however you'd like to label our 0/1 tech player, WR and perhaps TE. Two of those 3 can be filled nicely in the mid to later rounds. Depth on the Oline, OLB and DB can be addressed in harmony with those picks. This is a fantastic draft that matches up well with the Browns relation to needs and BPA.
The sky certainly isn't falling. A quality draft and health withstanding, this team could very well take that next step forward.
For the most part I agree, the nucleus to a successful team is there. However you always have to account for injuries, especially when you're the Cleveland Browns.
The only real areas I see of immediate attention are NT/DT/however you'd like to label our 0/1 tech player, WR and perhaps TE. Two of those 3 can be filled nicely in the mid to later rounds. Depth on the Oline, OLB and DB can be addressed in harmony with those picks. This is a fantastic draft that matches up well with the Browns relation to needs and BPA.
The sky certainly isn't falling. A quality draft and health withstanding, this team could very well take that next step forward.
Yep....Im with you.....and due to the depth at many of our primary needs and after some of those mocks....Id be very willing to consider one or a couple trade backs
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My best so far-I think they have the ratings on Kendricks and McKinney reversed, but I could not pass up either one where I got them. Conley was a reach from a run oriented Georgia. (My punter was gone by then)
Your score is: 6444 (GRADE: A)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 12: Andrus Peat, OT, Stanford (A)
Round 1 Pick 24 (ARI): Melvin Gordon, RB, Wisconsin (A-)
Round 2 Pick 11: Benardrick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 21 (CINN): Carl Davis, DT/DE, Iowa (A)
Round 2 Pick 23 (ARI): Eric Kendricks, ILB/OLB, UCLA (B-)
Round 3 Pick 13: Devin Smith, WR, Ohio State (A)
Round 3 Pick 22 (ARI): Andy Gallik, C, Boston College (A-)
Round 4 Pick 12: Henry Anderson, DE, Stanford (A-)
Round 4 Pick 16: Nick O'Leary, TE, Florida State (A)
Round 4 Pick 21 (CINN): Tyler Lockett, WR, Kansas State (B+)
Round 4 Pick 24 (ARI): Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor (A-)
Round 5 Pick 11: Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart & William Smith (A)
Round 6 Pick 13: Tyler Varga, FB, Yale (A)
Round 6 Pick 27 (DEN): Justin Manton, K, Louisiana-Monroe (A)
Round 7 Pick 16 (K.C.): Chris Conley, WR, Georgia
I "stole" Varga from you Mudfly-how'd you find out about that guy?
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Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 12: Malcom Brown, DT, Texas (B+)
Round 1 Pick 19: Jaelen Strong, WR, Arizona State (A-)
Round 2 Pick 11: Benardrick McKinney, ILB, Mississippi State (A-)
Round 3 Pick 13: Preston Smith, DE, Mississippi State (A-)
Round 4 Pick 12: Bryce Petty, QB, Baylor (
Round 4 Pick 16: Ali Marpet, OG, Hobart & William Smith (
Round 5 Pick 11: B.J. Finney, C, Kansas State (A)
Round 6 Pick 13: Sean Hickey, OT, Syracuse (C+)
Round 6 Pick 26: Craig Mager, CB, Texas State (
Round 7 Pick 12: Josh Robinson, RB, Mississippi St. (B+)
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Re: The Marcus Golden pick.
If the Browns didn't have so many needs, I'd take him that high. More specifically needs that could be filled in that round by a player able to step up and provide immediate quality depth,
such as along the Oline. Marcus has the potential, but for this team and this defense, he would be a several year project.
His first step is slightly about average, he has decent hand use and fights through contact when attacking the inside. He doesn't have that elite burst, appears limited in space and as far as I can tell, as never been asked to play from a 2 point stance. His secondary pass rush move is non existent and he would most likely not provide any contribution his first year. Even then, there are players with a better athletic makeup and a higher ceiling that can be had later in the draft whom would pay off just as much if not more with the same patience. I..e Max Valles
We seem to be developing a fair amount of group think this year. It's both new and kinda scary.
Re: The Marcus Golden pick.
At the start of the sim it offered Golden as a DE, then a DE/ OLB (I like added the multiple positions wrinkle) and now the choices are OLB/ ILB. Have to say I did not see him as an ILB and the once or twice I've picked him to play ILB the grade has not been kind despite the position still being one of need.
Speaking of ILBs... the late round prospect I've really warmed to is KU's Ben Heeney.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
We seem to be developing a fair amount of group think this year. It's both new and kinda scary.
Re: The Marcus Golden pick.
At the start of the sim it offered Golden as a DE, then a DE/ OLB (I like added the multiple positions wrinkle) and now the choices are OLB/ ILB. Have to say I did not see him as an ILB and the once or twice I've picked him to play ILB the grade has not been kind despite the position still being one of need.
Speaking of ILBs... the late round prospect I've really warmed to is KU's Ben Heeney.
We seem to be developing a fair amount of group think this year. It's both new and kinda scary.
At the start of the sim it offered Golden as a DE, then a DE/ OLB (I like added the multiple positions wrinkle) and now the choices are OLB/ ILB. Have to say I did not see him as an ILB and the once or twice I've picked him to play ILB the grade has not been kind despite the position still being one of need.
Speaking of ILBs.. the late round prospect I've really warmed to is KU's Benn Heeney.
He's a compliment to an elite pass rusher on the other side. He doesn't have the ability that Shane Rey does, nor the athletic fluid movement in space.
I see Golden the same way I viewed Sheard when we took him. A slightly above average LDE that will hold the point against the run and net you half dozen sacks a year or so.
Benn Heeney? I've seen the named tossed around, can't say I've watched him. I got to see a glimpse of Perrimen when Mizzou played UCF. I was planning on watching more of him today.
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OK-I quit till April after this one. Only need I could not fill well was ILB, but with Dupree and Brown up front life for that position just got much easier.
Your score is: 6876 (GRADE: A+)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 12: Alvin Dupree, DE/OLB, Kentucky (A)
Round 1 Pick 19: Malcom Brown, DT, Texas (A-)
Round 2 Pick 11: Ereck Flowers, OT, Miami (Fla.) (A)
Round 3 Pick 13: Breshad Perriman, WR, UCF (A)
Round 4 Pick 12: Garrett Grayson, QB, Colorado State (A)
Round 4 Pick 16: Andy Gallik, C, Boston College (A)
Round 5 Pick 11: Tyler Lockett, WR, Kansas State (A)
Round 6 Pick 13: Tyler Varga, FB, Yale (A)
Round 6 Pick 26: Kyle Brindza, K, Notre Dame (
Round 7 Pick 12: Kyle Loomis, P, Portland State (B+) -
How is it some of you get grades with your draft? I have done it a couple of times but never got a grade.
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Grades are on First-Pick, bp...
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12: R1P12
OT T.J. CLEMMINGS
PITTSBURGH
19: R1P19
WR AMARI COOPER
ALABAMA
43: R2P11
ILB DENZEL PERRYMAN
MIAMI
77: R3P13
DT GRADY JARRETT
CLEMSON
108: R4P12
TE JEFF HEUERMAN
OHIO STATE
112: R4P16
WR TYLER LOCKETT
KANSAS STATE
This would be a beast of a draft.....
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I could have taken Winston with my first pick, but I passed on him. Would you guys have taken him
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Yes...
Every time Jameis or Marcus has fallen to 12 I've taken them.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Yes...Every time Jameis or Marcus has fallen to 12 I've taken them.
I was thinking though.... Everyone else is passing on him, so what makes him good for us and bad for them?
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I was thinking though.... Everyone else is passing on him, so what makes him good for us and bad for them?
In this hypothetical situation, many things could be a factor.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
First Free Agency:CUT
Travis Benjamin WR Rodney Smith WR Jim Dray TE Paul McQuistan T Phil Bates WR Vinston Painter T
Benjamin is just not the same and likely wont be. There have to be better options. I would also cut Barnridge TE based on my draft
SIGNED PLAYERSName / Position / Cap Hit - Brian Hoyer QB 3,750,000 Jeremy Maclin WR 7,350,000 Miles Austin WR 1,000,000 Jermaine Gresham TE 4,500,000 Ndamukong Suh DT 8,800,000 David Harris ILB 4,900,000 Buster Skrine CB 1,800,000
Yep paid a shitload for Suh and Harris, probably overpaid for Maclin but they are top notch adds, Tashaun was not listed but I would tag him. I also believe Gresham is an upgrade over Cameron. Would have signed Julius Thomas if available.
Cap Space Remaining: 51,744,743 - Franchise tag cap hit of Tashaun Gibson, still a pretty hefty stash of cash
My 2015 Draft - note that if trades had been allowed I would have taken a 3 for Manziel , I will also add that if that was the case I may have taken OT in the 3rd as I really debated on Collins at 19.
12: R1P12
WR KEVIN WHITE WVU
19: R1P19
OT LA'EL COLLINS LSU
43: R2P11 QB BRETT HUNDLEY UCLA
77: R3P13 C REESE DISMUKES AUBURN
108: R4P12 G JOSUE MATIAS FLORIDA STATE
112: R4P16 DE HENRY ANDERSON STANFORD
139: R5P11 TE JESSE JAMES PENN STATE
173: R6P13 FB JALSTON FOWLER ALABAMA
186: R6P26
CB IMOAN CLAIBORNE NORTHWESTERN STATE
204: R7P12 K JUSTIN MANTON LOUISIANA-MONROE
Yep, I believe its a deep playoff team
First Free Agency:CUTTravis Benjamin WR Rodney Smith WR Jim Dray TE Paul McQuistan T Phil Bates WR Vinston Painter T
Benjamin is just not the same and likely wont be. There have to be better options. I would also cut Barnridge TE based on my draft
SIGNED PLAYERSName / Position / Cap Hit - Brian Hoyer QB 3,750,000 Jeremy Maclin WR 7,350,000 Miles Austin WR 1,000,000 Jermaine Gresham TE 4,500,000 Ndamukong Suh DT 8,800,000 David Harris ILB 4,900,000 Buster Skrine CB 1,800,000
Yep paid a shitload for Suh and Harris, probably overpaid for Maclin but they are top notch adds, Tashaun was not listed but I would tag him. I also believe Gresham is an upgrade over Cameron. Would have signed Julius Thomas if available.
Cap Space Remaining: 51,744,743 - Franchise tag cap hit of Tashaun Gibson, still a pretty hefty stash of cash
My 2015 Draft - note that if trades had been allowed I would have taken a 3 for Manziel , I will also add that if that was the case I may have taken OT in the 3rd as I really debated on Collins at 19.
12: R1P12
WR KEVIN WHITE WVU
19: R1P19
OT LA'EL COLLINS LSU
43: R2P11 QB BRETT HUNDLEY UCLA
77: R3P13 C REESE DISMUKES AUBURN
108: R4P12 G JOSUE MATIAS FLORIDA STATE
112: R4P16 DE HENRY ANDERSON STANFORD
139: R5P11 TE JESSE JAMES PENN STATE
173: R6P13 FB JALSTON FOWLER ALABAMA
186: R6P26
CB IMOAN CLAIBORNE NORTHWESTERN STATE
204: R7P12 K JUSTIN MANTON LOUISIANA-MONROE
Yep, I believe its a deep playoff team
I must be confused, the Browns have 50 million cap now, and you sign all those guys, but still have 51 million left? It looks like you maybe spent 30 million of that cap, so wouldn't you only have 20 million left to sign rookies and extend contracts with? I don't disagree with the signings, but i think on suh, and maclin they are actually undervalued. I hope they don't spend that much personally though, we need cap to extend other players coming off in a year or two.
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I could have taken Winston with my first pick, but I passed on him. Would you guys have taken him
I could have taken Winston with my first pick, but I passed on him. Would you guys have taken him
he was available for mine, and I passed as well. To much risk:
12: R1P12DT DANNY SHELTONWASHINGTON19: R1P19OLB VIC BEASLEYCLEMSON43: R2P11OT ANDRUS PEATSTANFORD77: R3P13QB BRYCE PETTYBAYLOR108: R4P12WR TONY LIPPETTMICHIGAN STATE112: R4P16CB IFO EKPRE-OLOMUOREGON139: R5P11RB JAVORIUS ALLENUSC173: R6P13G ROBERT MYERSTENNESSEE STATE186: R6P26WR TY MONTGOMERYSTANFORD204: R7P12S TEVIN MCDONALDEASTERN WASHINGTON -
I was thinking though.... Everyone else is passing on him, so what makes him good for us and bad for them?
In this hypothetical situation, many things could be a factor.
In this hypothetical situation, many things could be a factor.
Mostly, at the heart of the sim, a random number generator.
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The "first-pick" simulator almost always sends Shelton to Oakland at #4 and if gets past them he rarely gets past Chicago at #7. I think the real draft will play out in a similar manner.
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I play as the other teams (to get my "God Score"... feeds my complex) and check what the sim chose for us.
9 times out of 10 it's Kevin White at 12 and Malcom Brown at 19. I could live with that.
Eric Kendricks shows up a lot as our new ILB as does Bryce Petty as our project QB.
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