Grade the following WR scenario
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Demarius Thomas
Dez Bryant
Randall Cobb
Cecil Shorts
Brian Hartline
Ted Ginn Jr.
Not saying that teams are going to let the first group go but they are the type of WR the Browns need.
Demarius Thomas
Dez Bryant
Randall Cobb
Cecil Shorts
Brian Hartline
Ted Ginn Jr.
Not saying that teams are going to let the first group go but they are the type of WR the Browns need.
Fantasy - yes, Realistic? - I don't think so!
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OSU homerism aside, I am not sure why people want Tedd Ginn....
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Demarius Thomas
Dez Bryant
Randall Cobb
Cecil Shorts
Brian Hartline
Ted Ginn Jr.
Not saying that teams are going to let the first group go but they are the type of WR the Browns need.
Fantasy - yes, Realistic? - I don't think so!
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Did you see the WRs on Sea and NE? Not exactly all-pro material...
Hawkins had the best numbers on the team and they were worse than all but Kearse who is at least a tall WR that requires coverage.
Benjamin - too weak
Gabriel - too small
Hawkins - good slot/possession WR
Miles Austin - old and slow
Cecil Shorts - injury prone/possession WR
Ted Ginn Jr. - never really been effective for an entire system
Brian Hartline - possession WR no real threat
At best all these guys are 3rd down/possession WRs not one has the ability to stretch the field
Hawkins had the best numbers on the team and they were worse than all but Kearse who is at least a tall WR that requires coverage.
Benjamin - too weak
Gabriel - too small
Hawkins - good slot/possession WR
Miles Austin - old and slow
Cecil Shorts - injury prone/possession WR
Ted Ginn Jr. - never really been effective for an entire system
Brian Hartline - possession WR no real threat
At best all these guys are 3rd down/possession WRs not one has the ability to stretch the field
We saw Gabriel and Benjamin go deep a couple of times last year. I see Hawkins and Gabriel in the slot, Shorts and Hartline as starters. Ginni and Benjamin in back-up & return roles, and Austin as 3rd down/possession. Austin has another year left in him.
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Hawkins had the best numbers on the team and they were worse than all but Kearse who is at least a tall WR that requires coverage.
Benjamin - too weak
Gabriel - too small
Hawkins - good slot/possession WR
Miles Austin - old and slow
Cecil Shorts - injury prone/possession WR
Ted Ginn Jr. - never really been effective for an entire system
Brian Hartline - possession WR no real threat
At best all these guys are 3rd down/possession WRs not one has the ability to stretch the field
We saw Gabriel and Benjamin go deep a couple of times last year. I see Hawkins and Gabriel in the slot, Shorts and Hartline as starters. Ginni and Benjamin in back-up & return roles, and Austin as 3rd down/possession. Austin has another year left in him.
We saw Gabriel and Benjamin go deep a couple of times last year. I see Hawkins and Gabriel in the slot, Shorts and Hartline as starters. Ginni and Benjamin in back-up & return roles, and Austin as 3rd down/possession. Austin has another year left in him.
A couple of times, yes. Most teams have at least one guy who can move the needle on any given down, that guy was Josh Gordon for the Browns. They need to try to replace that threat. You can do it in the draft by drafting a WR at 12 or 19. The other guys are what they are.
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OSU homerism aside, I am not sure why people want Tedd Ginn....
He would improve the return game and add some injury insurance/depth to the team at WR. Yes, there is OSU homerism but I think the Browns need to leverage that to get some WR bodies in here.
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OSU homerism aside, I am not sure why people want Tedd Ginn....
He would improve the return game and add some injury insurance/depth to the team at WR. Yes, there is OSU homerism but I think the Browns need to leverage that to get some WR bodies in here.
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We saw Gabriel and Benjamin go deep a couple of times last year. I see Hawkins and Gabriel in the slot, Shorts and Hartline as starters. Ginni and Benjamin in back-up & return roles, and Austin as 3rd down/possession. Austin has another year left in him.
A couple of times, yes. Most teams have at least one guy who can move the needle on any given down, that guy was Josh Gordon for the Browns. They need to try to replace that threat. You can do it in the draft by drafting a WR at 12 or 19. The other guys are what they are.
A couple of times, yes. Most teams have at least one guy who can move the needle on any given down, that guy was Josh Gordon for the Browns. They need to try to replace that threat. You can do it in the draft by drafting a WR at 12 or 19. The other guys are what they are.
I agree. That's why I put Devonte into the formula (or some other drafted player available at either 12 or 19). But if that's the group we end up with, I'll give a B rating and we can address it again in 2016.
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A couple of times, yes. Most teams have at least one guy who can move the needle on any given down, that guy was Josh Gordon for the Browns. They need to try to replace that threat. You can do it in the draft by drafting a WR at 12 or 19. The other guys are what they are.
I agree. That's why I put Devonte into the formula (or some other drafted player available at either 12 or 19). But if that's the group we end up with, I'll give a B rating and we can address it again in 2016.
I agree. That's why I put Devonte into the formula (or some other drafted player available at either 12 or 19). But if that's the group we end up with, I'll give a B rating and we can address it again in 2016.
I guess I don't see the need to bring in Hartline, Shorts or Ginn
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No use jumping too high when our first 3 are likely to be defensive guys. There should be several decent wr's to choose from still in rd 3.
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OSU homerism aside, I am not sure why people want Tedd Ginn....
He would improve the return game and add some injury insurance/depth to the team at WR. Yes, there is OSU homerism but I think the Browns need to leverage that to get some WR bodies in here.
He would improve the return game and add some injury insurance/depth to the team at WR. Yes, there is OSU homerism but I think the Browns need to leverage that to get some WR bodies in here.
Why do that with a 30 year old WR that hasn't been able to stick with any team? Why not bring in some youth and see if they develop?
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I guess I don't see the need to bring in Hartline, Shorts or Ginn
exactly.
we did ok<fine with our 'midget' WR corp last year. why sign some FAs when you know we're going to draft 1or 2?
besides as ball peen pointed out in another thread we can always put gilbert back there to return P/KOs. maybe he'll do good and that might give him some motivation to get off his ass. sometimes a little recognition can go a long way.
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I guess I don't see the need to bring in Hartline, Shorts or Ginn
exactly.
we did ok<fine with our 'midget' WR corp last year. why sign some FAs when you know we're going to draft 1or 2?
besides as ball peen pointed out in another thread we can always put gilbert back there to return P/KOs. maybe he'll do good and that might give him some motivation to get off his ass. sometimes a little recognition can go a long way.
exactly.
we did ok<fine with our 'midget' WR corp last year. why sign some FAs when you know we're going to draft 1or 2?
besides as ball peen pointed out in another thread we can always put gilbert back there to return P/KOs. maybe he'll do good and that might give him some motivation to get off his ass. sometimes a little recognition can go a long way.
If we don't sign any FA's, we're going to need at least two WR's in the draft. I think that's too risky. We have emptied the cupboards at that position and need quality starters and backups. I would be shocked if we don't sign at least 2 FA's and draft 1 or 2. I think the group I proposed is a way of giving us some talent at the position without breaking the bank.
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Cecil Shorts is pretty good. If he wants to come home, I say let him. Always good to have guys that WANT to be in Cleveland
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OSU homerism aside, I am not sure why people want Tedd Ginn....
I agree. He has done nothing in his career to get me excited. I put Gilbert as the returner if he can't help us at corner.
I also think Benji and Gabriel can stretch a field as well as Teddy. The problem they have had is they haven't had a QB who could hit them on any regular basis. It does no good to stretch the field and gain a few steps if the QB is going to lob it up there and make the receiver wait for it to get to him. It doesn't take much of a wait before the defender is going to be back in the play.
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OSU homerism aside, I am not sure why people want Tedd Ginn....
I agree. He has done nothing in his career to get me excited. I put Gilbert as the returner if he can't help us at corner.
I also think Benji and Gabriel can stretch a field as well as Teddy. The problem they have had is they haven't had a QB who could hit them on any regular basis. It does no good to stretch the field and gain a few steps if the QB is going to lob it up there and make the receiver wait for it to get to him. It doesn't take much of a wait before the defender is going to be back in the play.
I agree. He has done nothing in his career to get me excited. I put Gilbert as the returner if he can't help us at corner.
I also think Benji and Gabriel can stretch a field as well as Teddy. The problem they have had is they haven't had a QB who could hit them on any regular basis. It does no good to stretch the field and gain a few steps if the QB is going to lob it up there and make the receiver wait for it to get to him. It doesn't take much of a wait before the defender is going to be back in the play.
Good point... I loved Hoyer but god there were times that Benji and Gabriel were open behind the defense and had to wait for his pass to get there when more arm would've let them stay ahead of the defense. Saw one first hand with a great angle at the Ravens game, I believe to Benjamin who was 5 yards behind the defense but had to wait for the ball.
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Not a bad looking group.....tho not sure well actually carry 8 wr's......personally, Id pass on the "new guys", except maybe tap Shorts to replace Benji.....then Id wish for something more like a starter FA and a 3rd or 4th round draft pick like smith/Dorestt/Perriman/Hardy/etc...
That's why I said "heading into pre-season"
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The WR group does not need to be upgraded, period.
OL and QB and DL are the key to success.
Then - and only then - does a WR add anything substantive.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
The WR group does not need to be upgraded, period.
OL and QB and DL are the key to success.
Then - and only then - does a WR add anything substantive.
The WR group does not need to be upgraded, period.
OL and QB and DL are the key to success.
Then - and only then - does a WR add anything substantive.
I disagree. The WR group does need an upgrade. The difference we find with our opinions is on when and where in the draft that should occur.
It truly depends on where players are available. I don't think anyone would argue with taking an Amari Cooper or White at 19 should we land Shelton or Brown at 12.
I'd bet the farm that dream never comes true, but its simply an example.
Now say we were to get Shelton.... and Devante Parker is available at 19?
Would Parker at 19 make as much or more of an impact as opposed to say accepting a trade down into the 20's, taking a "lesser" receiver and banking another pick?
That's when we see the split in this group and our philosophy. I don't think anyone believes that having Hawkins as our #1 receiver is sufficient. Lets be honest, if this
offense wants to be great one day, it isn't. Again, it really depends on when and where and whom.
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The WR group does not need to be upgraded, period.
OL and QB and DL are the key to success.
Then - and only then - does a WR add anything substantive.
The WR group does not need to be upgraded, period.
OL and QB and DL are the key to success.
Then - and only then - does a WR add anything substantive.
Beating your opponents is the key to success and it's the only key to success.
There is no one way to do it. If that were the case, every team would follow that strategy.
This WR group does need to be upgraded. Our DL does need to be upgraded. Our QB does need to be upgraded. Our OL...eh... probably not. I have a feeling Bowie will beat out Schwartz and we'll find a decent RG mid-round prospect.
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