Resign Sheard and pay Taylor
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Hello All,
First time posting. I haven't heard any rumors of working a deal with Sheard so I'm assuming he's hitting free agency which will be a huge blow to us. Same old story, we lose our good players and draft high to replace them. We need to pick up the 5.5M option on Taylor and pay the guy becasue he makes our D better and we can afford it, he's a beast. Let Rubin go and I'm not opposed to drafting Shelton or Brown (no Armstead) to really beef up our DL. Secondary is a concern when Screen and hits the market. We need him back, I really don't want us to use another high draft pick on a cb this year. And pay Gipson. Gipson proved worthy 3.3M so place the 1st round tender and make a team give up their 1st for rights to sign him. Amazing all 4 of these guys were drafted 3 regimes ago so I may seem naive, but they all looked good when on the field last year and know our system. Can we still have some continuity at least on defense??
NoCal Jack
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yeah I haven't heard shit about Sheard either...and signing him or not signing him affects the draft. If we keep Sheard, chances are we're not going after any edge rushers in the draft. They really need to figure this out before the draft.
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love sheard but think o'neill's scheme is not exactly what he's fitted for (see mingo thread).
i absolutely love phil taylor but now after the injuries can we feel confident that he can be a 16 game a year NT?
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I would say losing Phil Taylor did as much damage to us stopping the run as losing Mack did to the run game. I'm not a Dr. so I'm not sure how vulnerable that knee is and if the strength will be back enough to play to his potential, but he's 26 with a lot of heal time. I don't listen to my gut often but today he says he'll be fine, take a chance. As for Sheard, I have not read the Mingo thread and there's always the question of scheme-fit, but I thought he looked pretty good last yr. Versatile, above-average, good at a lot of things but not "great" at anything. But still, probably the best free-agent we have to lose.
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Taylor's option was picked up last offseason. He hasn't really bought into the 3-4 NT but has the talent, he just has to stay healthy.
Sheard is not a fit for the 3-4 and this is an incredible draft for edge rushers. Vic Beasley, Shane Ray, Randy Gregory, Eli Harold, Mate Orchard, Lorenzo Mauldin, and the guy from Washington who I will not even attempt to spell his name, are all great prospects.
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It surprises me how many players Browns fans want to keep. This team has barely won any games with these players yet every time one leaves or looks to be leaving, the fans are angry about it.
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It surprises me how many players Browns fans want to keep. This team has barely won any games with these players yet every time one leaves or looks to be leaving, the fans are angry about it.
It surprises me how many players Browns fans want to keep. This team has barely won any games with these players yet every time one leaves or looks to be leaving, the fans are angry about it.
The Browns had a very deep Defensive Line last year, but as deep as it was it was still devastated by massive injuries.
We want to keep these players because they have talent and provide that depth. Losing them does not assure that you will replace them with equal talent....and certainly doesn't help the depth issue.
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Not just a mater of edge rushers... matter of needing a 3-down OLB to play opposite Krugs. When Sheard is opposite him, it's the closest thing to a 5-man D-line since Allen's "over-the-hill-gang" sprang one on Green Bay in an early '70's playoff game.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Not just a mater of edge rushers... matter of needing a 3-down OLB to play opposite Krugs. When Sheard is opposite him, it's the closest thing to a 5-man D-line since Allen's "over-the-hill-gang" sprang one on Green Bay in an early '70's playoff game.
Not just a mater of edge rushers... matter of needing a 3-down OLB to play opposite Krugs. When Sheard is opposite him, it's the closest thing to a 5-man D-line since Allen's "over-the-hill-gang" sprang one on Green Bay in an early '70's playoff game.
Yep....the ole 5-2.....(saw that more than once).....
And when the 5 failed, I kept hearing how bad the 2 were......
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Not just a mater of edge rushers... matter of needing a 3-down OLB to play opposite Krugs. When Sheard is opposite him, it's the closest thing to a 5-man D-line since Allen's "over-the-hill-gang" sprang one on Green Bay in an early '70's playoff game.
. Well when sheard and krug are in there are almost always only two interior lineman. I dont like that formation but pet seemed to love it all season. I hate two dl and two standing olb'ersNot just a mater of edge rushers... matter of needing a 3-down OLB to play opposite Krugs. When Sheard is opposite him, it's the closest thing to a 5-man D-line since Allen's "over-the-hill-gang" sprang one on Green Bay in an early '70's playoff game.
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It surprises me how many players Browns fans want to keep. This team has barely won any games with these players yet every time one leaves or looks to be leaving, the fans are angry about it.
It surprises me how many players Browns fans want to keep. This team has barely won any games with these players yet every time one leaves or looks to be leaving, the fans are angry about it.
Your past girlfriends haven't won any awards but I bet you were pretty pissed when they left you.
Same thing here. They may be ugly bitches, but they are our ugly bitches.
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Incorrect.
Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish.
Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Sheard refused to talk to tje FO? Thats not good....in fact i could probably then assume kruget wont resign when his cont is up either unless this team does a 180 now.
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Incorrect.
Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish.
Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
Sheard refused?.....where did you hear that?....they were talking contract earlier this year...
and where is Taylor going?
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Incorrect.
Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish.
Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
Incorrect.
Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish.
Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
WTF are you talking about. Taylor has been injured.....but has played well when he has been in there.
We are talking about Phil Taylor.....Defensive Tackle for the Cleveland Browns. I am not sure which Phil Taylor you are talking about.
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Incorrect.
Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish.
Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
Incorrect.
Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish.
Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
When we had Phil Taylor for the Thursday night game, the Bungles had no answer, they couldn't run cause of the beast in the middle and they couldn't pass cause Dalton is ass cheeks, and bam, Brownies 24 Bungles 3
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Incorrect.
Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish.
Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
Incorrect.
Phil Taylor hasn't just been injured.. he SUCKS. He is literally a gigantic first-round bust.. and that trade down from Julio Jones is looking foolish.
Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
Phil hasn't been a bust at all. He's been a steady presence and solid contributor. Not all first round picks are rockstars or busts. Some just end up being effective, its that simple.
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Sheard, just like Cameron, refused to talk to the Browns FO.
We do need to draft DL.. because we're losing Taylor, Sheard, and Rubin at a minimum.
Sheard refused?.....where did you hear that?....they were talking contract earlier this year...
and where is Taylor going?
Sheard refused?.....where did you hear that?....they were talking contract earlier this year...
and where is Taylor going?
Taylor is going nowhere this year.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/phil-taylor/
Yeah- I would think Sheard would at least listen to offers.
But- sounds like the Browns aren't interested. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6597/jabaal-sheard
Rubin will definitely either be cut or seriously restructured- not worth anything close to $8 million.
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Another thing to consider in this is that the FA defensive tackle market is pretty impressive this year. Rubin had a pretty disappointing year, I wouldn't mind letting him go and either drafting a DT or picking up one in FA.
I'm not crazy about Taylor but as I understand his salary is full counted against the cap even if we cut him.
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