Why do Liberals...

MLD Woody

Stuart said:
Yes cause the truth about liberal idiocy hurts your feelings.

If those were things I believed, then someone saying them back to me wouldn't make me want to punch them in the face...

Browns149

@the-cysko-kid said:
Jesus would shake his head sadly in shame at the state of American politics. Everclear has also sucked ass for 20 years.

American politics and Jesus should be MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE

As our forefathers intended

calfoxwc

Nope. Wrongie, wrongie. The gov cannot establish an official religion.

Not the same thing as politicians who have spiritual beliefs, who are guided in principle

as such.

Which, to say, if anybody blurts out that those politicians are required to be non-spiritual in

everything they do, then non-spiritual politicians should be required to be spiritual.

It's only "fair"....

LogicIsForSquares

Be spiritual all you want so long as your beliefs don't mold how you write laws that effect everyone and not just people who share your religious beliefs.

Browns149

@logicisforsquares said:
Be spiritual all you want so long as your beliefs don't mold how you write laws that effect everyone and not just people who share your religious beliefs.

EXACTLLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I believe what I believe.

you believe what you believe

but you can't force ANYONE to believe what you believe

This is the "CORE" of OUR country

Westside Steve

@browns149 said:

American politics and Jesus should be MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE

As our forefathers intended

Not exactly, that was nearly 100 years later by an activist Supreme Court.

WSS

calfoxwc

There is no "forcing" anything. but you're trying to say that a believer

politician should aways vote against his concience so he will be

voting like you want him to.

Which, is the inverse of saying he should always let his spirituality vote for him no matter what.

So, a Christian congress person should always vote for abortion and gay marriage to make you happy.

But if they do the opposite, then you are being "forced" to go by their beliefs. Got it.

LogicIsForSquares

I am saying that politicians shouldn't be legislating morality. Create jobs and leave moral conundrums up to individuals to resolve for themselves.

MLD Woody

Force people to follow your religious beliefs (no abortion, no gay marriage)

Or make both a choice for the individual to make. They can follow the religious ideal, or their own.

Seems like an easy choice...

Westside Steve

@mld-woody said:

Force people to follow your religious beliefs (no abortion, no gay marriage)

Or make both a choice for the individual to make. They can follow the religious ideal, or their own.

Seems like an easy choice...

So we should remove the illegal and/or immoral status of murder perjury theft and most of the seven deadly sins?

WSS

(and before you start squeaking opposition to homosexuality preceded Christianity and most likely marriage)

MLD Woody

Uhhh..... What?

Morality exists outside of religion. We know murder is wrong without a book telling us it is.

And yes, homosexuality is genetic. It's existed a very long time...

So what are you "squeaking" about?

Westside Steve

Morality is invented by society.

I would think that anyone as enamoured with science and nature as you are might understand that.

WSS

The Cysko Kid

@mld-woody said:

Force people to follow your religious beliefs (no abortion, no gay marriage)

Or make both a choice for the individual to make. They can follow the religious ideal, or their own.

Seems like an easy choice...

For what it's worth religion plays no part in my opposition of abortion

The Cysko Kid

If homosexuality were genetic it stands to reason it would have bred itself out long ago

@mld-woody said:

Uhhh..... What?

Morality exists outside of religion. We know murder is wrong without a book telling us it is.

And yes, homosexuality is genetic. It's existed a very long time...

So what are you "squeaking" about?

LogicIsForSquares

@the-cysko-kid said:
If homosexuality were genetic it stands to reason it would have bred itself out long ago

There are lots of genetic disorders and abnormalities that have not bred themselves out.

The Cysko Kid

Yeah but homosexuals don't breed with women typically, get it?

The Cysko Kid

So assuming the male would carry it (that's a big if, I guess) it would be difficult to pass on.

MLD Woody

I remember reading that they were thinking it was passed down by the mom. It was a mutation in her genes that made her more fertile, but resulted in a chance at homosexual offspring. I think that's what it was at least. I'll have to look it up.

But, are you saying you think it isn't genetic?

MLD Woody

This was the one study I was thinking of. It looks like there are a lot all pointing to different and sometimes similar genetic traits. Looks like it I a combination of a lot of them.

In 2004, Italian researchers conducted a study of about 4,600 people who were the relatives of 98 homosexual and 100 heterosexual men. Female relatives of the homosexual men tended to have more offspring than those of the heterosexual men. Female relatives of the homosexual men on their mother's side tended to have more offspring than those on the father's side. The researchers concluded that there was genetic material being passed down on the X chromosome which both promotes fertility in the mother and homosexuality in her male offspring. The connections discovered would explain about 20% of the cases studied, indicating that this is a highly significant but not the sole genetic factor determining sexual orientation.

LogicIsForSquares

@the-cysko-kid said:
So assuming the male would carry it (that's a big if, I guess) it would be difficult to pass on.

Woody pretty well covered it. Male pattern baldness has been found to be from the mother's genes and not the father's. So the genetic abnormality that would cause one to be gay could be passed down through the generations from the mothers.