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  • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

    Be spiritual all you want so long as your beliefs don't mold how you write laws that effect everyone and not just people who share your religious beliefs.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Be spiritual all you want so long as your beliefs don't mold how you write laws that effect everyone and not just people who share your religious beliefs.

    EXACTLLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I believe what I believe.

    you believe what you believe

    but you can't force ANYONE to believe what you believe

    This is the "CORE" of OUR country

    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
  • Browns149B Browns149

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    Jesus would shake his head sadly in shame at the state of American politics. Everclear has also sucked ass for 20 years.

    American politics and Jesus should be MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE

    As our forefathers intended

    @browns149 said:

    American politics and Jesus should be MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE

    As our forefathers intended

    Not exactly, that was nearly 100 years later by an activist Supreme Court.

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons

  • There is no "forcing" anything. but you're trying to say that a believer

    politician should aways vote against his concience so he will be

    voting like you want him to.

    Which, is the inverse of saying he should always let his spirituality vote for him no matter what.

    So, a Christian congress person should always vote for abortion and gay marriage to make you happy.

    But if they do the opposite, then you are being "forced" to go by their beliefs. Got it.

  • I am saying that politicians shouldn't be legislating morality. Create jobs and leave moral conundrums up to individuals to resolve for themselves.

  • Force people to follow your religious beliefs (no abortion, no gay marriage)

    Or make both a choice for the individual to make. They can follow the religious ideal, or their own.

    Seems like an easy choice...

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    Force people to follow your religious beliefs (no abortion, no gay marriage)

    Or make both a choice for the individual to make. They can follow the religious ideal, or their own.

    Seems like an easy choice...

    @mld-woody said:

    Force people to follow your religious beliefs (no abortion, no gay marriage)

    Or make both a choice for the individual to make. They can follow the religious ideal, or their own.

    Seems like an easy choice...

    So we should remove the illegal and/or immoral status of murder perjury theft and most of the seven deadly sins?

    WSS

    (and before you start squeaking opposition to homosexuality preceded Christianity and most likely marriage)

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons

  • Uhhh..... What?

    Morality exists outside of religion. We know murder is wrong without a book telling us it is.

    And yes, homosexuality is genetic. It's existed a very long time...

    So what are you "squeaking" about?

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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  • Morality is invented by society.

    I would think that anyone as enamoured with science and nature as you are might understand that.

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    Force people to follow your religious beliefs (no abortion, no gay marriage)

    Or make both a choice for the individual to make. They can follow the religious ideal, or their own.

    Seems like an easy choice...

    @mld-woody said:

    Force people to follow your religious beliefs (no abortion, no gay marriage)

    Or make both a choice for the individual to make. They can follow the religious ideal, or their own.

    Seems like an easy choice...

    For what it's worth religion plays no part in my opposition of abortion

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    Uhhh..... What?

    Morality exists outside of religion. We know murder is wrong without a book telling us it is.

    And yes, homosexuality is genetic. It's existed a very long time...

    So what are you "squeaking" about?

    If homosexuality were genetic it stands to reason it would have bred itself out long ago

    @mld-woody said:

    Uhhh..... What?

    Morality exists outside of religion. We know murder is wrong without a book telling us it is.

    And yes, homosexuality is genetic. It's existed a very long time...

    So what are you "squeaking" about?

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
  • T The Cysko Kid

    If homosexuality were genetic it stands to reason it would have bred itself out long ago

    @mld-woody said:

    Uhhh..... What?

    Morality exists outside of religion. We know murder is wrong without a book telling us it is.

    And yes, homosexuality is genetic. It's existed a very long time...

    So what are you "squeaking" about?

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    If homosexuality were genetic it stands to reason it would have bred itself out long ago

    There are lots of genetic disorders and abnormalities that have not bred themselves out.

  • Yeah but homosexuals don't breed with women typically, get it?

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...

  • So assuming the male would carry it (that's a big if, I guess) it would be difficult to pass on.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
    LogicIsForSquaresL 1 Reply

  • I remember reading that they were thinking it was passed down by the mom. It was a mutation in her genes that made her more fertile, but resulted in a chance at homosexual offspring. I think that's what it was at least. I'll have to look it up.

    But, are you saying you think it isn't genetic?

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!

  • This was the one study I was thinking of. It looks like there are a lot all pointing to different and sometimes similar genetic traits. Looks like it I a combination of a lot of them.

    In 2004, Italian researchers conducted a study of about 4,600 people who were the relatives of 98 homosexual and 100 heterosexual men. Female relatives of the homosexual men tended to have more offspring than those of the heterosexual men. Female relatives of the homosexual men on their mother's side tended to have more offspring than those on the father's side. The researchers concluded that there was genetic material being passed down on the X chromosome which both promotes fertility in the mother and homosexuality in her male offspring. The connections discovered would explain about 20% of the cases studied, indicating that this is a highly significant but not the sole genetic factor determining sexual orientation.

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • T The Cysko Kid

    So assuming the male would carry it (that's a big if, I guess) it would be difficult to pass on.

    @the-cysko-kid said:

    So assuming the male would carry it (that's a big if, I guess) it would be difficult to pass on.

    Woody pretty well covered it. Male pattern baldness has been found to be from the mother's genes and not the father's. So the genetic abnormality that would cause one to be gay could be passed down through the generations from the mothers.

  • So it is a genetic defect.

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

    So it is a genetic defect.

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    So it is a genetic defect.

    Yup. Why wouldn't it be? I think even the most ardent pro-LGBT person could see that biologically being gay is not optimal as a species.

    👍

  • I don't understand why the idea of environment is so foreign.

    Do you not supposed that Ray in a setting only men would not sway a lot more adolescence toward homosexuality just for the pure human contact? Especially if they grew up with it being commonplace and not a taboo? Do you think homosexuality in prison has anything to do with the surroundings?

    Neither side should allow an agenda to trump human nature.

    WSS

    www.westsidesteve.com www.myspace.com/westsidestevemusic www.cdbaby.com/artist/westsidestevesimmons
  • W Westside Steve

    I don't understand why the idea of environment is so foreign.

    Do you not supposed that Ray in a setting only men would not sway a lot more adolescence toward homosexuality just for the pure human contact? Especially if they grew up with it being commonplace and not a taboo? Do you think homosexuality in prison has anything to do with the surroundings?

    Neither side should allow an agenda to trump human nature.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    I don't understand why the idea of environment is so foreign.

    Do you not supposed that Ray in a setting only men would not sway a lot more adolescence toward homosexuality just for the pure human contact? Especially if they grew up with it being commonplace and not a taboo? Do you think homosexuality in prison has anything to do with the surroundings?

    Neither side should allow an agenda to trump human nature.

    WSS

    I am sure there are circumstances where a guy who otherwise would be into chicks would turn gay just for the human contact in prison. However, those are extreme circumstances and definitely not the norm. I guarantee there are way more guys in jail who don't do that. I say genetics and biology have much more to do with someone being gay or straight than their environment. My step brother is gay and there were five of us. He is the only one who turned out gay. He has a different mom and maybe she has a little sugar in the bloodlines.

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