Danny Shelton
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no way man. you're talking about trading the 12, 19 and the second rounder to move up to the 5th pick ala a trade up for mariota etc.?
scenario #1: danny shelton (picks 12, 19 and 43)
scenario #2: a DT, OLB and WR
hmmmmmm????????
now if you're talking moving up to 5 getting that pick ANF having the #12 as well then that's different. you just better not whiff on those first 2 picks.
now if you're talking moving up to 5 getting that pick ANF having the #12 as well then that's different. you just better not whiff on those first 2 picks.
yes.....trading 19 & our second for a top 5 kind of pick.......so, for instance, we get #4 from Oakland and still have #12......
heyyyyyyyyyyyyy....wait a cotton pickin second......oakland needs a WR and LOTS of picks....we could sweeten it with some JG rights.....(just their kinda player)
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now if you're talking moving up to 5 getting that pick ANF having the #12 as well then that's different. you just better not whiff on those first 2 picks.
yes.....trading 19 & our second for a top 5 kind of pick.......so, for instance, we get #4 from Oakland and still have #12......
heyyyyyyyyyyyyy....wait a cotton pickin second......oakland needs a WR and LOTS of picks....we could sweeten it with some JG rights.....(just their kinda player)
heyyyyyyyyyyyyy....wait a cotton pickin second......oakland needs a WR and LOTS of picks....we could sweeten it with some JG rights.....(just their kinda player)
if any team were to do that deal it would be the raiders for sure....
the question is now though, if you could get up to 5 who do you take? what i've read from pettine is that the NT isn't 'his' #1 priority for the draft:
By Andrea Hangst, Featured Columnist
Mar 27, 2015
Not that long ago, the Browns were considered one of the front-runners for the services of Washington nose tackle Danny Shelton. The Browns had moved on from Ahtyba Rubin, who had held down their nose tackle position last season, so it seemed only logical to add a young and large player like Shelton to join Ishmaa'ily Kitchen in replacing Rubin and improving the position.
However, that seems less likely to happen now, particularly in Round 1. Browns head coach Mike Pettine, speaking at the NFL owners meetings in Arizona, said that Phil Taylor will be the team's primary nose tacklethis season, backed up or spelled by Kitchen in the rotation. Last year, Taylor played out of position at defensive end before being placed on injured reserve in November with a knee injury.
This year, it looks like Taylor will be back to taking on double-teams in the middle of the defensive line. With him and backup Kitchen, the Browns no longer have an immediate and glaring need at nose tackle. Though they may draft defensive line depth, no longer does Shelton—or any of the top defensive tackle prospects—seem in the cards for the Browns in Round 1.
yep, it's from bleacher report so we all know it's just fluff, but it does bring up the question.
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i myself would take shelton all day long considering you have to question whether taylor can last a whole season.
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yeah...I waffle on it.....very happy Im not the one who has to choose....
Part of me says get the dynamic LB first, cause he wont be there at 12,,,,,while theres a good chance that Shelton, Ray or Brown would still be there....letting you get 2 defensive starters, instead of one....
tough tough choice....brrrr
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yeah...I waffle on it.....very happy Im not the one who has to choose....
Part of me says get the dynamic LB first, cause he wont be there at 12,,,,,while theres a good chance that Shelton, Ray or Brown would still be there....letting you get 2 defensive starters, instead of one....
tough tough choice....brrrr
yeah...I waffle on it.....very happy Im not the one who has to choose....
Part of me says get the dynamic LB first, cause he wont be there at 12,,,,,while theres a good chance that Shelton, Ray or Brown would still be there....letting you get 2 defensive starters, instead of one....
tough tough choice....brrrr
Ray? Shane Ray? I keep telling people not to be shocked if he's the first pass rusher off the board. I'm honestly not all that impressed with Gregory or Fowler. Atlanta plays a ton of 4down so it's a natural fit for them.
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Gotta say.....I know of one person who reads em and replies.......everytime......on and on and on and on......endlessly....
All you old timers really get a kick out of yourselves. As far as Shelton is concerned doesn't he project at DT? You have Phil Taylor unless the team would put Shelton at end where I think he's out of position. Taylor sure as hell can't play de
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
i myself would take shelton all day long considering you have to question whether taylor can last a whole season.
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Gotta say.....I know of one person who reads em and replies.......everytime......on and on and on and on......endlessly....
All you old timers really get a kick out of yourselves. As far as Shelton is concerned doesn't he project at DT? You have Phil Taylor unless the team would put Shelton at end where I think he's out of position. Taylor sure as hell can't play de
All you old timers really get a kick out of yourselves. As far as Shelton is concerned doesn't he project at DT? You have Phil Taylor unless the team would put Shelton at end where I think he's out of position. Taylor sure as hell can't play de
Actually Phil fills quite well when he's the SDE.
Two firsts in dt's? If they were interested in Shelton i would think Taylor would have been moved and not Rubin.
Rubin is gone, Taylor is coming off injury and might not be back next year. Gives the Browns the ability to make sure Shelton's conditioning is top notch and gradually bring him along in the defense.
Is that not plausible?
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All you old timers really get a kick out of yourselves. As far as Shelton is concerned doesn't he project at DT? You have Phil Taylor unless the team would put Shelton at end where I think he's out of position. Taylor sure as hell can't play de
Actually Phil fills quite well when he's the SDE.
Two firsts in dt's? If they were interested in Shelton i would think Taylor would have been moved and not Rubin.
Rubin is gone, Taylor is coming off injury and might not be back next year. Gives the Browns the ability to make sure Shelton's conditioning is top notch and gradually bring him along in the defense.
Is that not plausible?
Actually Phil fills quite well when he's the SDE.
Rubin is gone, Taylor is coming off injury and might not be back next year. Gives the Browns the ability to make sure Shelton's conditioning is top notch and gradually bring him along in the defense.
Is that not plausible?
I know Rubin is gone. Phil is huge for a de. I don't see them drafting Shelton.
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It's more than likely a moot point as Shelton probably won't last that long, but if he's on the board at 12 I don't see them making any other pick.
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i myself would take shelton all day long considering you have to question whether taylor can last a whole season.
i myself would take shelton all day long considering you have to question whether taylor can last a whole season.
Phil's good every other year so I expect to see a lot of him in 2015. My issue is Kitchen. He's not a #2 NT IMO. With Shelton and Taylor in a 1-2 rotation there's position dominance on the field the entire game.
As far as Shelton is concerned doesn't he project at DT?
NT... best NT prospect in the draft.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I just don't see Shelton making it to 12. I wish he would though.
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with all these crazy mocks i'm seeing (shelton falling to us, kevin white falling to us etc. etc.) who knows what's going to happen.
all i know if i was a defensive minded head coach and we needed the center of our D line upgraded, shelton would be the guy.
i'm hopin farmer pulls his best sonny weaver on draft night.
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Just something to consider for all those who feel defense, especially Dline isn't something of a priority. I wasn't aware of just how bad it was until I saw some PFF stats backing up what my eyes saw. - NO, it wasn't our linebackers.
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The Browns defensive line that combined to earn a -48.6 overall grade last season which featured only one defender with a positive overall grade" -
with all these crazy mocks i'm seeing (shelton falling to us, kevin white falling to us etc. etc.) who knows what's going to happen.
all i know if i was a defensive minded head coach and we needed the center of our D line upgraded, shelton would be the guy.
i'm hopin farmer pulls his best sonny weaver on draft night.
i'm hopin farmer pulls his best sonny weaver on draft night.
Just so long as he doesn't Instagram it, he can pull whatever he wants...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
i myself would take shelton all day long considering you have to question whether taylor can last a whole season.
Phil's good every other year so I expect to see a lot of him in 2015. My issue is Kitchen. He's not a #2 NT IMO. With Shelton and Taylor in a 1-2 rotation there's position dominance on the field the entire game.
As far as Shelton is concerned doesn't he project at DT?
NT... best NT prospect in the draft.
I know who he is and have been enamored with him since the senior bowl. I'd LOVE for him to be a Steeler but I know that's a pipe dream. My point was unless I was missing something he doesn't also project to de and with Taylor its just overkill for the browns to draft him. Unless they have no faith in taylor staying healthy. Shelton isn't a two down DT either. He's like ngata.Phil's good every other year so I expect to see a lot of him in 2015. My issue is Kitchen. He's not a #2 NT IMO. With Shelton and Taylor in a 1-2 rotation there's position dominance on the field the entire game.
NT... best NT prospect in the draft.
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I know who he is and have been enamored with him since the senior bowl. I'd LOVE for him to be a Steeler but I know that's a pipe dream. My point was unless I was missing something he doesn't also project to de and with Taylor its just overkill for the browns to draft him. Unless they have no faith in taylor staying healthy. Shelton isn't a two down DT either. He's like ngata.Phil's good every other year so I expect to see a lot of him in 2015. My issue is Kitchen. He's not a #2 NT IMO. With Shelton and Taylor in a 1-2 rotation there's position dominance on the field the entire game.
NT... best NT prospect in the draft.
I know who he is and have been enamored with him since the senior bowl. I'd LOVE for him to be a Steeler but I know that's a pipe dream. My point was unless I was missing something he doesn't also project to de and with Taylor its just overkill for the browns to draft him. Unless they have no faith in taylor staying healthy. Shelton isn't a two down DT either. He's like ngata.
You're getting hung up on position labels that don't apply to Pet's scheme. It's a 3-4 that more closely resembles a 4-3 in many sets. That Big Phil was called a DE last year is exhibit A for what I am saying.
Totally hear you on the 2-down BS though. He's not fast but plenty quick enough to pressure up the middle and rack up a few sacks. Ngata was more explosive and faster, maybe even a bit stronger, and undoubtedly has better hands... but not a bad comparison. Being 2" shorter, Shelton may be slightly tougher to move.
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Just something to consider for all those who feel defense, especially Dline isn't something of a priority. I wasn't aware of just how bad it was until I saw some PFF stats backing up what my eyes saw. - NO, it wasn't our linebackers.
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The Browns defensive line that combined to earn a -48.6 overall grade last season which featured only one defender with a positive overall grade"NO, it wasn't our linebackers.
The Browns defensive line that combined to earn a -48.6 overall grade last season which featured only one defender with a positive overall grade"
This was basically the premise of my defense analysis post....
just to add the that -48.6 score......the Browns bottom 5 scores were all DL.....and bottom 7 outta 10....
The worst 5 Browns defenders(by score) were:
Phil Taylor....-6.5
D. Bryant......-6.5
B. Winn........-7.7
Sione Fua....-11.4
A. Ruben.....-14.3
add Kitchen at -2.7 and A. Bryant at -3.4.....
Kind of says it all about the run defense.....though, NOW, they gotta decide if it was injury....talent.....or scheme.....
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Move up and grab this monster. He can't pass and neither can any of the Browns QB's the team has traded up for. Roll the dice on defense for a change. Draft violence.
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