Jonathan Paul Manziel
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My biggest criticism of Manziel was that he did not give the Browns his best effort. He himself even admitted it. I can overlook about anything if someone is giving 100 percent. Maybe the reason for JM's lack of focus was that he needed treatment even sooner, maybe before the season even started. I knew that photo with him in the restroom last summer with the rolled up bill spelled nothing but trouble. Anyway I give him all the credit in the world for going into treatment and I am pulling for him not only as a Browns fan but for him personally. I look forward to seeing him give his best effort now and the comments I have read from Flip are that they are going to work him hard and have him focused on football. (obsessed with football is how Flip put it).
My biggest criticism of Manziel was that he did not give the Browns his best effort. He himself even admitted it. I can overlook about anything if someone is giving 100 percent. Maybe the reason for JM's lack of focus was that he needed treatment even sooner, maybe before the season even started. I knew that photo with him in the restroom last summer with the rolled up bill spelled nothing but trouble. Anyway I give him all the credit in the world for going into treatment and I am pulling for him not only as a Browns fan but for him personally. I look forward to seeing him give his best effort now and the comments I have read from Flip are that they are going to work him hard and have him focused on football. (obsessed with football is how Flip put it).
Let's hope that's the case because I would much rather not have to draft a QB again this year. I'm hoping he's out of rehab soon and can get on the field and start proving how hard he's willing to work to be a "face of the franchise" type of QB which is what we need.
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won't be able to prove anything until way after the draft.
do you lay pat with your hand that is dealt or do you dump a couple and ask for new cards?
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won't be able to prove anything until way after the draft.
do you lay pat with your hand that is dealt or do you dump a couple and ask for new cards?
won't be able to prove anything until way after the draft.
do you lay pat with your hand that is dealt or do you dump a couple and ask for new cards?
Personally....I'm playing the hand I have and drafting a QB in the 3rd or whatever and giving Manziel one more year. I don't think Mariotta or Winston are the next Andrew Luck so I'm not selling the farm for either of them.
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I wouldn't mind Sean Mannion in the 4th, similar to Mike Glennon....
I would just focus on patching up the o-line, the defensive front 7 and getting TE and WR .
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Mannion's too long of a reach for my taste, but we can't stand pat. Have to bring in fresh, QB blood.
If that prospect is Mariota, so be it, go get him... otherwise try Hundley or Petty, but I cannot see standing pat as an option.
Consider either putting Johnny on the non-football injury list or try to get Shaw back on the PS, but somehow make room for a new prospect.
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it's becoming clearer and clearer who the fake browns fans are on this board. gotta always complain...........hate the brown pants...........farmer is a bum............haslam needs to be fired (lols).........
and OMG someone told me to fuck myself!!!!!!!!!!
please calgon, take me away!!
it's becoming clearer and clearer who the fake browns fans are on this board. gotta always complain...........hate the brown pants...........farmer is a bum............haslam needs to be fired (lols).........
and OMG someone told me to fuck myself!!!!!!!!!!
please calgon, take me away!!
To be fair the brown pants are bloody awful!
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I think "the next Andrew Luck" may be the most overused phrase on this board.
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I just hope Manziel realizes (and I'm sure this was told to him) that removing the bad people out of his life is just as important as anything else. I'll be excited to see him at OTA's.
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it's becoming clearer and clearer who the fake browns fans are on this board. gotta always complain...........hate the brown pants...........farmer is a bum............haslam needs to be fired (lols).........
and OMG someone told me to fuck myself!!!!!!!!!!
please calgon, take me away!!
To be fair the brown pants are bloody awful!
To be fair the brown pants are bloody awful!
HA!!!! i personally like the all brown unis once in awhile but i know the vast majority here hates them.
I think "the next Andrew Luck" may be the most overused phrase on this board.
or on any football forum for that matter.
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To be fair the brown pants are bloody awful!
HA!!!! i personally like the all brown unis once in awhile but i know the vast majority here hates them.
I think "the next Andrew Luck" may be the most overused phrase on this board.
or on any football forum for that matter.
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Why Johnny lost his focus:
Nice!....my kind of ending....
I actually thought he was gonna punch her and take his beer back.....
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Now we are 90% done with Manziel...
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Now we are 90% done with Manziel...
Now we are 90% done with Manziel...
yep, saw that interview "live" on Mike and Mike.
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Now we are 90% done with Manziel...
Now we are 90% done with Manziel...
well.....at least according to Mortensen....
I listened to this too and basically heard him say "he thinks" the Browns are done with him.....
Really....I dont hear anything new here..... just him speculating that the Browns aren't waiting on Johnny and them saying they can't count on him....(which is a lot different than them being "done" with him).....
If he isnt traded, he will be in camp and get every chance to be the man....guaranteed......But, thats it....Browns just aren't waiting another year to see if he figures it out....
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Now we are 90% done with Manziel...
well.....at least according to Mortensen....
I listened to this too and basically heard him say "he thinks" the Browns are done with him.....
Really....I dont hear anything new here..... just him speculating that the Browns aren't waiting on Johnny and them saying they can't count on him....(which is a lot different than them being "done" with him).....
If he isnt traded, he will be in camp and get every chance to be the man....guaranteed......But, thats it....Browns just aren't waiting another year to see if he figures it out....
well.....at least according to Mortensen....
I listened to this too and basically heard him say "he thinks" the Browns are done with him.....
Really....I dont hear anything new here..... just him speculating that the Browns aren't waiting on Johnny and them saying they can't count on him....(which is a lot different than them being "done" with him).....
If he isnt traded, he will be in camp and get every chance to be the man....guaranteed......But, thats it....Browns just aren't waiting another year to see if he figures it out....
Mudfly-Any bets on Grayson or Petty in Round 2 or 3?
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Now we are 90% done with Manziel...
well.....at least according to Mortensen....
I listened to this too and basically heard him say "he thinks" the Browns are done with him.....
Really....I dont hear anything new here..... just him speculating that the Browns aren't waiting on Johnny and them saying they can't count on him....(which is a lot different than them being "done" with him).....
If he isnt traded, he will be in camp and get every chance to be the man....guaranteed......But, thats it....Browns just aren't waiting another year to see if he figures it out....
...he will be in camp and get every chance to be the man....guaranteed
It seems like this is the way of the Browns now regardless of name, status, draft round, contract - if you're in camp, you have a chance to be the starter if you're the best guy. See K'Waun Williams > Gilbert, Crowell > Tate, Gabriel > Burleson. It'll be no different for McCown, Manziel, Lewis, Shaw, and whoever else we pick up along the way.
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well.....at least according to Mortensen....
I listened to this too and basically heard him say "he thinks" the Browns are done with him.....
Really....I dont hear anything new here..... just him speculating that the Browns aren't waiting on Johnny and them saying they can't count on him....(which is a lot different than them being "done" with him).....
If he isnt traded, he will be in camp and get every chance to be the man....guaranteed......But, thats it....Browns just aren't waiting another year to see if he figures it out....
Mudfly-Any bets on Grayson or Petty in Round 2 or 3?
Mudfly-Any bets on Grayson or Petty in Round 2 or 3?
No bets, no......honestly dont think we'll pick one early and im not high on any of the QB's(are the Browns?...dunno).....maybe one in the 3rd-4th?.....but, dont think they are enamored enough with the selection to go 1st or 2nd....Id say Petty, if anybody...
It seems like this is the way of the Browns now regardless of name, status, draft round, contract - if you're in camp, you have a chance to be the starter if you're the best guy. See K'Waun Williams > Gilbert, Crowell > Tate, Gabriel > Burleson. It'll be no different for McCown, Manziel, Lewis, Shaw, and whoever else we pick up along the way.
Yep.....one of the things I like best about Pettine and Farmer....best players go, no matter what.....and good players sit, when they dont pull their weight at practice....
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Now we are 90% done with Manziel...
well.....at least according to Mortensen....
I listened to this too and basically heard him say "he thinks" the Browns are done with him.....
Really....I dont hear anything new here..... just him speculating that the Browns aren't waiting on Johnny and them saying they can't count on him....(which is a lot different than them being "done" with him).....
If he isnt traded, he will be in camp and get every chance to be the man....guaranteed......But, thats it....Browns just aren't waiting another year to see if he figures it out....
well.....at least according to Mortensen....
I see Mort more as being credible than any of the "get it first, worry about right later" crowd like Shefter or MKC. Mort's just a little more old school, multiple source, kinda guy...
Mudfly-Any bets on Grayson or Petty in Round 2 or 3?
Bold Prediction: We'll trade up in the 3rd to take Petty.
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Seems we need a "bold draft predictions" thread.
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