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Homo Group Demands Christian Churches be SHUT DOWN for opposing same-sex marriage

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  • htownbrown htownbrownH Reacting Well Conversation Starter Dedicated Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post One Year In One Month Later Week One Done
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    htownbrownH htownbrown wrote on last edited by
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    OBF,

    The way the tax exemption is written is very shaky, but I think its saying if you spend too much money (whatever that is) lobbying and what not, the IRS can determine you are a religious organization rather than a church. And if that happens you are subject to taxation.

    β€œIt is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.”
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      OBF,

      The way the tax exemption is written is very shaky, but I think its saying if you spend too much money (whatever that is) lobbying and what not, the IRS can determine you are a religious organization rather than a church. And if that happens you are subject to taxation.

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      OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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      @htownbrown said:

      OBF,

      The way the tax exemption is written is very shaky, but I think its saying if you spend too much money (whatever that is) lobbying and what not, the IRS can determine you are a religious organization rather than a church. And if that happens you are subject to taxation.

      http://americanvision.org/8389/dear-huckabee-churches-need-not-give-up-tax-exempt-status-to-speak-freely/

      Mike Huckabee has been lobbying for churches to voluntarily give up tax exempt status to speak freely. I saw this article that states it isn't necessary which is where I got my information from.

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        @westside-steve said:

        I'm not religious and I have no problem with gay marriage but this should alarm anyone who still pretends that the Constitution and Bill of Rights have any meaning whatsoever. This country, for those who love to sing the praises of the founding fathers, was in part built on religious liberty which is being trumped by the politically correct whims of the left.

        Which of the lefties on this board would support closing down a kosher bakery that refused to make swastika cakes? How about shutting down a soul food restaurant who refused to cater a Klan meeting?

        WSS

        I think this whole issue is going to come down to "religious rights" vs. "civil rights"

        EVERYONE has civil rights

        A lot of people don't have religion or want religion.

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        W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by Westside Steve
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        @browns149 said:

        I think this whole issue is going to come down to "religious rights" vs. "civil rights"

        EVERYONE has civil rights

        A lot of people don't have religion or want religion.

        Everyone has religious rights according to the constitution. If they don't Obama should just go on TV and say "I'm eliminating certain sections of the Bill of Rights by executive order, fuck you all."

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          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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          I don't understand why I am supposed to subsidize religion. It would seem that a separation of church and state would not allow that. Let churches, mosques, whatever, function as corporations on their own more or less. And let them say whatever they want

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            P Pumpkin Eater wrote on last edited by
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            You don't subsidize shit fagboy. And religions can't be forced to pay taxes. End of story.

            :neutral_face:
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              You don't subsidize shit fagboy. And religions can't be forced to pay taxes. End of story.

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              LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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              @pumpkin-eater said:

              You don't subsidize shit fagboy. And religions can't be forced to pay taxes. End of story.

              Benny Hinn definitely needs to have the tax breaks.

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                You don't subsidize shit fagboy. And religions can't be forced to pay taxes. End of story.

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                MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                @pumpkin-eater said:

                You don't subsidize shit fagboy. And religions can't be forced to pay taxes. End of story.

                Religious institutions are the real moochers...

                How am I not indirectly subsidizing them?

                Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                  MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                  Can a Christian bakery refuse to bake a cake for a bar mitzvah or for some Islamic holiday?

                  Both of those go against their religion. And those are actually fucking choices too, not genetics.

                  Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                    @browns149 said:

                    I think this whole issue is going to come down to "religious rights" vs. "civil rights"

                    EVERYONE has civil rights

                    A lot of people don't have religion or want religion.

                    Everyone has religious rights according to the constitution. If they don't Obama should just go on TV and say "I'm eliminating certain sections of the Bill of Rights by executive order, fuck you all."

                    WSS

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                    Browns149B Browns149 wrote on last edited by
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                    @westside-steve said:

                    Everyone has religious rights according to the constitution. If they don't Obama should just go on TV and say "I'm eliminating certain sections of the Bill of Rights by executive order, fuck you all."

                    WSS

                    So when it comes down to it, what will it be? Civil rights or religious rights?

                    Apparently some people want one more then the other

                    "And they don't really know even what they're talkin' about And I can't imagine what empty heads can achieve."
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                      F FairHooker11 wrote on last edited by
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                      Mike Pence should have just waited for the rest of the common sense thinking people

                      to see the facist version of tolerance by the LGBT and the bully tactics from the likes of the hypocrite Tim Cook....

                      He and Indiana couldve had a Chic fila moment here. Maybe they still can.

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                      • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

                        @pumpkin-eater said:

                        You don't subsidize shit fagboy. And religions can't be forced to pay taxes. End of story.

                        Benny Hinn definitely needs to have the tax breaks.

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                        Legacy FanL Legacy Fan wrote on last edited by
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                        @logicisforsquares said:

                        Benny Hinn definitely needs to have the tax breaks.

                        My favorite YouTube video:

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                          @westside-steve said:

                          Everyone has religious rights according to the constitution. If they don't Obama should just go on TV and say "I'm eliminating certain sections of the Bill of Rights by executive order, fuck you all."

                          WSS

                          So when it comes down to it, what will it be? Civil rights or religious rights?

                          Apparently some people want one more then the other

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                          W Westside Steve wrote on last edited by
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                          @browns149 said:

                          So when it comes down to it, what will it be? Civil rights or religious rights?

                          Apparently some people want one more then the other

                          Well whether we like it or not I think the choice has already been made and the answer is neither.

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                            OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                            Benny Hinn and others like him on television give Christians a bad name. For every Benny Hinn minister there are thousands who are not on television working with needy people and doing a good work in their community. I always thought for a television minister Billy Graham was very good and we need more like him today IMO.

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                              Benny Hinn and others like him on television give Christians a bad name. For every Benny Hinn minister there are thousands who are not on television working with needy people and doing a good work in their community. I always thought for a television minister Billy Graham was very good and we need more like him today IMO.

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                              LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                              @oldbrownsfan said:

                              Benny Hinn and others like him on television give Christians a bad name. For every Benny Hinn minister there are thousands who are not on television working with needy people and doing a good work in their community. I always thought for a television minister Billy Graham was very good and we need more like him today IMO.

                              I would just question someone becoming absurdly wealthy from preaching. I am sure Hinn and Graham could donate some of their money to worthy causes given how they got the money to begin with.

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                                mohicanM mohican wrote on last edited by
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                                The pretense of "your rights end where my rights begin" and vice versa is now being shown to be a pretense, as is the long projected progressive notion of tolerance. . If you are compelling someone to do something against their religious beliefs then as Steve alluded to the other person's rights have been invalidated.

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                                  C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                                  it is kind of shitty that some of these churches who are basically thinly veiled hate groups and oppose basically everything the govt does...then go and benefit from their 501 status.

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                                    C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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                                    like the one Obamao attended for years?

                                    I agree....

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                                      C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                                      So ur good with ending all church welfare then? Finally enforce the separation of church and state as the forefathers intended?

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                                        So ur good with ending all church welfare then? Finally enforce the separation of church and state as the forefathers intended?

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                                        @clevfan4life said:

                                        So ur good with ending all church welfare then? Finally enforce the separation of church and state as the forefathers intended?

                                        Not really what they intended, they just did not want to be a theocracy or something similar, and knew how much the Vatican tried to run Europe in the centuries prior. They where almost all religious and wanted Christianity to play a part, but we as a society have moved further from religion and as such the term separation of church and state has been coined and imo for the better.

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