For the religious - a question
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I see no reason why you couldn't believe in the Bible and believe that there are other planets with intelligent life.
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Is the Bible falsifiable? And would a real live ET do it?
http://creation.com/is-the-bible-falsifiable
Is the Bible falsifiable? And would a real live ET do it?
(Round 2)
Further response by Gary Bates and Jonathan Sarfatihttp://creation.com/is-the-bible-falsifiable-and-would-a-real-live-et-do-it
These are a couple of the commentaries I looked at and agree with.
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Would it falsify the Bible (or your faith) if it turned out Mary was not a virgin?
WSS
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Is the Bible falsifiable? And would a real live ET do it?
http://creation.com/is-the-bible-falsifiable
Is the Bible falsifiable? And would a real live ET do it?
(Round 2)
Further response by Gary Bates and Jonathan Sarfatihttp://creation.com/is-the-bible-falsifiable-and-would-a-real-live-et-do-it
These are a couple of the commentaries I looked at and agree with.
Is the Bible falsifiable? And would a real live ET do it?
http://creation.com/is-the-bible-falsifiable
Is the Bible falsifiable? And would a real live ET do it?
(Round 2)Further response by Gary Bates and Jonathan Sarfati
http://creation.com/is-the-bible-falsifiable-and-would-a-real-live-et-do-it
These are a couple of the commentaries I looked at and agree with.
Not sure who those people are, but I don't agree with them.
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Would it falsify the Bible (or your faith) if it turned out Mary was not a virgin?
WSS
Would it falsify the Bible (or your faith) if it turned out Mary was not a virgin?
WSS
It would falsify the bible.
http://calvarychapel.com/resources/article/view/why-the-virgin-birth-is-essential-to-christianity/
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The bible hasn't yet been falsified? You have a literal interpretation of it and you see nothing there stopping you?
I would imagine, I'd we did find life somewhere else, religious groups will continue doing mental gymnastics to validate their holy book. Pages will be edited, verses will be reinterpreted or more loosely interpreted. It would be something I'd guess we've seen before.
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I know nobody asked but -
Id rate the "Bible Commentary" used by OBFan as accurate - but it doesnt fit your OP
NASA said life at the molecular level? microbes or something?
Didnt say ETs....
but if you want to talk angelic realm, then well you have something - created beings apart from humans.
ET's would invalidate the bible which is why (in bad form) I said that hypothetical would never happen. As for some kind of microbes that would not affect my beliefs.
ET's would invalidate the bible which is why (in bad form) I said that hypothetical would never happen. As for some kind of microbes that would not affect my beliefs.
thanks -I took a look at the links you gave and can see your point.
and the bible can only be interpreted as literal to a born again spirit filled believer.
but as a casual observer once myself, - there is hope still today,grace and mercy to forgive my sins and yours- but time is running short IMO -dont wait
as we can all see the spirit of anti-christ is very prevalent today, woodys (and like minded people) opinions proves that,
to the mods: does this get me canned / banned from the browns board? I really spend too much time here....
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ET's would invalidate the bible which is why (in bad form) I said that hypothetical would never happen. As for some kind of microbes that would not affect my beliefs.
thanks -I took a look at the links you gave and can see your point.
and the bible can only be interpreted as literal to a born again spirit filled believer.
but as a casual observer once myself, - there is hope still today,grace and mercy to forgive my sins and yours- but time is running short IMO -dont wait
as we can all see the spirit of anti-christ is very prevalent today, woodys (and like minded people) opinions proves that,
to the mods: does this get me canned / banned from the browns board? I really spend too much time here....
thanks -I took a look at the links you gave and can see your point.
and the bible can only be interpreted as literal to a born again spirit filled believer.
but as a casual observer once myself, - there is hope still today,grace and mercy to forgive my sins and yours- but time is running short IMO -dont wait
as we can all see the spirit of anti-christ is very prevalent today, woodys (and like minded people) opinions proves that,
to the mods: does this get me canned / banned from the browns board? I really spend too much time here....
I think we are on topic with what Chris posted. He wanted a Christian perspective on possible life form in outer space. There are some huge problems with what the bible says and life on other planets. I think the big thing that people can't get past is how large the universe is and there just has to be other life out there with the universe being so enormous. How can little earth be so important in such a large universe? http://creation.com/did-god-create-life-on-other-planets
But even many Christians think, ‘God must have created life elsewhere, otherwise this enormous universe would be an awful waste of space.’ In my experience, this seems to be the major underlying reason why people think that there must be other life 'out there'. However, our thinking should be based on what God said He did (the Bible), and not what we think He would, should or might have done.
Firstly, since God is the one who made the universe, it can scarcely be ‘big’ to Him. Humans struggle with its vastness because our comprehension is limited to the created time/space dimensions within which we exist, and it is mind-bending to try and comprehend anything beyond our dimensional existence. Size is only relative to us as inhabitants of this universe. And size and time are related somewhat. Because the universe is big to us we consider how long it would take us to travel across it, for example. But, time itself began with the creation of the physical universe, so how can we comprehend what eternity is, or might be? What was ‘before’ the universe? Similarly, how do we imagine how ‘big’ God is? We cannot use a tape measure that is made of the very atoms He made to measure Him. One example of this might be if you were asked to build a small house and you did. Now you are asked to build a large house. In our dimensions, for you to build the larger house it would require more effort and take more time. So, is it harder, or does it take longer for God to build a big universe compared to a smaller one (according to our perspective on what constitutes large or small of course)? Of course not, because He isn't bound by time and space (which He created). Isaiah 40:28 says; ‘… the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, does not grow weak nor weary …’.
We are impressed that God made billions of galaxies with billions of stars in them and suitably so, because that is one of the reasons for making them. But as mentioned, size is not an issue for God. Stars are relatively simple structures as they are just great big balls of gas. It would take more ‘creative input’, in that sense, for Jesus’ miracle of feeding the five thousand than for the creation of countless quasars (there is immense genetic complexity in the structure of even a dead fish).
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No, I don't think it gets you banned. I would need to care at all about the "insult". You're basically saying a fictional character's spirit is influencing me? I find that hilarious, lol.
Yes, I am a pawn in the plan of the anti-Christ. Knowledge, reason, fact, science... the Devil!
Look at the reasoning from OBF. "ETs would invalidate the Bible. Nothing can invalidate the Bible. Therefore we'll never find ETs.".... really? Really? That is basically the exact reason I am not a fan of religion.
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OBF, are you a "young Earth creationist"?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
OBF, are you a "young Earth creationist"?
Woody I am a believer and you are not. I usually don't get bogged down on discussions like this as they are futile. You may not agree with my view that ET's would invalidate the bible but how familiar are you with the teachings of the bible?
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OBF, are you a "young Earth creationist"?
Woody I am a believer and you are not. I usually don't get bogged down on discussions like this as they are futile. You may not agree with my view that ET's would invalidate the bible but how familiar are you with the teachings of the bible?
Woody I am a believer and you are not. I usually don't get bogged down on discussions like this as they are futile. You may not agree with my view that ET's would invalidate the bible but how familiar are you with the teachings of the bible?
That didn't answer my question.
I was raised Catholic and got up to my First Communion. Then my family went to church less and less and I was lucky enough to not have to worry about it any more.
I wasn't commenting on your belief that ETs would invalidate the Bible. I think common sense invalidates the Bible. I was commenting on your reasoning for why we won't find intelligent life elsewhere. Basically saying it would go against the Bible, and nothing can go against the Bible, so therefore it won't happen. THAT is ridiculous logic and exactly why I am not a fan of religion.
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I can only tell you why you scoff at believers and have the attitude you do. But I am using a book you don't believe in so it is kind of hopeless isn't it?NIV 1 Cor.2:14
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. -
and I can believe Hogwarts is a real place and Harry Potter is a real person. Knowledge, facts, science, etc can show they aren't though, and that is the point.
Why do I scoff at believers? I am curious what you think. Do you also think it is because the anti-Christ has possessed me or something? (lol).
Yes, there are good lessons to live by in the Bible. No one can disagree with that, but I am talking about a literal interpretation (which you and others seem to be as well). This is where I say common sense, knowledge, facts, etc can disprove a literal interpretation.
Which brings me back to my original question, are you a "young Earth creationist"?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
The Bible and thr Torah and the koran were all written when man was ignorant of the universe. If there is a god and he created all why would you reveal the infinite universe to someone who wasn't ready?
The Bible and thr Torah and the koran were all written when man was ignorant of the universe. If there is a god and he created all why would you reveal the infinite universe to someone who wasn't ready?
The bible was supposedly inspired by God though.
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and I can believe Hogwarts is a real place and Harry Potter is a real person. Knowledge, facts, science, etc can show they aren't though, and that is the point.
Why do I scoff at believers? I am curious what you think. Do you also think it is because the anti-Christ has possessed me or something? (lol).
Yes, there are good lessons to live by in the Bible. No one can disagree with that, but I am talking about a literal interpretation (which you and others seem to be as well). This is where I say common sense, knowledge, facts, etc can disprove a literal interpretation.
Which brings me back to my original question, are you a "young Earth creationist"?
Do you also think it is because the anti-Christ has possessed me or something? (lol).
That's possible. The possessed don't know they're possessed.
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No, I don't think it gets you banned. I would need to care at all about the "insult". You're basically saying a fictional character's spirit is influencing me? I find that hilarious, lol.
Yes, I am a pawn in the plan of the anti-Christ. Knowledge, reason, fact, science... the Devil!
Look at the reasoning from OBF. "ETs would invalidate the Bible. Nothing can invalidate the Bible. Therefore we'll never find ETs.".... really? Really? That is basically the exact reason I am not a fan of religion.
No, I don't think it gets you banned. I would need to care at all about the "insult". You're basically saying a fictional character's spirit is influencing me? I find that hilarious, lol.
Yes, I am a pawn in the plan of the anti-Christ. Knowledge, reason, fact, science... the Devil!
Look at the reasoning from OBF. "ETs would invalidate the Bible. Nothing can invalidate the Bible. Therefore we'll never find ETs.".... really? Really? That is basically the exact reason I am not a fan of religion.
so you are a believer in ETs? like in UFO phenomena?
we talked about demonic activity before as well.... I think with logic too?
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and I can believe Hogwarts is a real place and Harry Potter is a real person. Knowledge, facts, science, etc can show they aren't though, and that is the point.
Why do I scoff at believers? I am curious what you think. Do you also think it is because the anti-Christ has possessed me or something? (lol).
Yes, there are good lessons to live by in the Bible. No one can disagree with that, but I am talking about a literal interpretation (which you and others seem to be as well). This is where I say common sense, knowledge, facts, etc can disprove a literal interpretation.
Which brings me back to my original question, are you a "young Earth creationist"?
Literal interpretation of what? You use this phrase, but I don't think you *actually* know what's in the bible.Yes, there are good lessons to live by in the Bible. No one can disagree with that, but I am talking about a literal interpretation (which you and others seem to be as well). This is where I say common sense, knowledge, facts, etc can disprove a literal interpretation.
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No, I don't think it gets you banned. I would need to care at all about the "insult". You're basically saying a fictional character's spirit is influencing me? I find that hilarious, lol.
Yes, I am a pawn in the plan of the anti-Christ. Knowledge, reason, fact, science... the Devil!
Look at the reasoning from OBF. "ETs would invalidate the Bible. Nothing can invalidate the Bible. Therefore we'll never find ETs.".... really? Really? That is basically the exact reason I am not a fan of religion.
so you are a believer in ETs? like in UFO phenomena?
we talked about demonic activity before as well.... I think with logic too?
so you are a believer in ETs? like in UFO phenomena?
we talked about demonic activity before as well.... I think with logic too?
I very, very much doubt we are alone in the universe. Based on probability alone
.... but math might just be the anti-Christs doing?
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OBF, are you a "young Earth creationist"?
No. I believe the earth is many millions of years old but nobody knows with certainty. It could be milions of years passed between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2?
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