Joe Scarborough

[DieHardBrownsFan]

@kosar_for_president said:

No way man, we should be focusing on Obama smoking weed 20 years ago. That was a joke.

Bush's stimulus gave billions to banks that are sitting on it.

The Stimulus plan that Obama recommended he sign, correct? Obammy was all for the supposed "Bush" stimulus plan. And Obama smoking weed is an issue, he is in the highest public office. He should set an example. Not a joke, only to fools like you.

[Westside Steve]

Clinton's phony SS "trust fund" surplus never really existed.

It, like the projected budget surplus, lived and died at the whim of revenue.

During the dotcom bubble the revenue weas there.

When it burst it simply was not.

>>> The projected budget surpluses were not the intended results of past policy decisions, but were the fortuitous effect of three factors. It's important to recognize the factors that got us to this unexpected state of surplus in order to assess the likelihood that the surpluses will continue. First Medicare spending has dropped much more sharply than was intended in the Balanced Budget Act of 1997. Second, interest rates have fallen more than the CBO or the administration predicted. That has brought down the cost of interest payments on the national debt. And finally, tax receipts have exceeded previous expectations because of strong growth in the economy and the stock market.<<<

SS, as we know, is little more than a Ponzi scheme but tied directly to the budget.

>>>In reality, we are more likely to see spending increases and tax reductions. The national debt will therefore fall more slowly, if at all, leaving the interest burden larger than projected by the CBO.

A critical piece of this will be the treatment of the surpluses in the Social Security program. Ever since 1983, the annual receipts of Social Security have exceeded the benefits. But although the resulting Social Security surpluses have been duly recorded in the trust fund, deficits in other parts of the federal budget have more than offset Social Security surpluses until 1998. The result has been a deficit in the overall federal budget and a lower level of national saving.

<<<

So spare me the snow job and get back to what you do best.

Pimping Obammys dedicit spending.

WSS

[calfoxwc]

SEV: - you don't get it, do you ?

In every war, each fighting side uses tactics.

al quaida sp? Please try to get serious. It's a psuedo-religious army of international criminals of the dangerous kind.

You fight a war, using tactics. I suppose we shouldn't have fought the nazis, but just captured them one at a time,

and tried them in court?

Perhaps you think murdering the Jewish people was a tactic?

Well, it was the hideous genocidal wartime action(s) of an entire international criminal army.

So is al quaida. But they want to murder all Jews, and Christians, and everybody else.

Hell YES it's a war. You have to WIN the FREAKIN WAR first, then you can go to court and try

individuals on war crimes.

Not a war on terror because of their tactics? Where the hell do you get this stuff? moveonupobama'sbutt.org ?

[Westside Steve]

mz. said:

That's how you're spinning this???

Jeepers...

mz the pussy that is probably the biggest reason for this "crisis".

Think about it; why would qa healthy 21-50 year old want to pay even a portion of his beer money for insurance?

Odds are you won't use it and if there's a tragic illness the bankruptcy opition is there for anyone with little property.

In Ohio (and elsewhere I'd assume) you're forced t buy auto insurance.

WSS

[Kosar_For_President]

@diehardbrownsfan said:

The Stimulus plan that Obama recommended he sign, correct? Obammy was all for the supposed "Bush" stimulus plan. And Obama smoking weed is an issue, he is in the highest public office. He should set an example. Not a joke, only to fools like you.

I'm not sticking up for either President, I am just making the point that they were all spending. Either on social programs or wars or giving banks money to sit on it. If I remember right I think I was ripping on the banks anyways? Touchy...

[osusev]

Steve you dont seem to get it do you. I am licensed in the financial sector, I actually invest and work with my own funds as well as my clients in one of my businesses. That data from 2000 was reported and sourced from the social security trust fund as well as the GAO/Congressional budget reports etc.

I am NOT a democrat, nor do I worship Obama in any way. I dont recieve refunds yearly, I pay quarterly. Technically I should be a staunch republican based on what benefits me the most on tax allocation theories. I worry about government spending and borrowing as well as tampering with the Banking system because it directly affects my business. My children eat and are clothed/housed by my companies ability to manage our investments and plan around Banking and securities. Its not just some random topic for me like it is for you. I actually have to understand pass license qualifications to practice and use my own funds in that industry.

I have interest in other businesses and how that income is taxed greatly effects me more than a w-2 employee or some sole proprieter. Sometimes you have to sublimate what may be more beneficial for you as an individual for the betterment or advance of the entire whole community. Most republicans and die hard individualists dont understand that concept and thats why they fall into partisan party beliefs.

I hate the way welfare works, I hate section hud housing plans, I think they should be run with the sole goal of TEMPORARILY helping people back to WORK. I dont believe in handouts, my other culture is known for working insanely. However people do need help and if a country as wealthy as ours we should be able to provide TEMPORARY assistance with the goal of pointing people back toward self sustainment.

I happen to hate being taxed more but I also know that other people have to work physically harder for much less than me, so I am thankful that i dont have to do what they do for less.

Steve you must think I am a diehard liberal or something, I am most certainly not and as conservative with my children as most right wing types are.

[Kosar_For_President]

@osusev said:

Steve you dont seem to get it do you. I am licensed in the financial sector, I actually invest and work with my own funds as well as my clients in one of my businesses. That data from 2000 was reported and sourced from the social security trust fund as well as the GAO/Congressional budget reports etc.

I am NOT a democrat, nor do I worship Obama in any way. I dont recieve refunds yearly, I pay quarterly. Technically I should be a staunch republican based on what benefits me the most on tax allocation theories. I worry about government spending and borrowing as well as tampering with the Banking system because it directly affects my business. My children eat and are clothed/housed by my companies ability to manage our investments and plan around Banking and securities. Its not just some random topic for me like it is for you. I actually have to understand pass license qualifications to practice and use my own funds in that industry.

I have interest in other businesses and how that income is taxed greatly effects me more than a w-2 employee or some sole proprieter. Sometimes you have to sublimate what may be more beneficial for you as an individual for the betterment or advance of the entire whole community. Most republicans and die hard individualists dont understand that concept and thats why they fall into partisan party beliefs.

I hate the way welfare works, I hate section hud housing plans, I think they should be run with the sole goal of TEMPORARILY helping people back to WORK. I dont believe in handouts, my other culture is known for working insanely. However people do need help and if a country as wealthy as ours we should be able to provide TEMPORARY assistance with the goal of pointing people back toward self sustainment.

I happen to hate being taxed more but I also know that other people have to work physically harder for much less than me, so I am thankful that i dont have to do what they do for less.

Steve you must think I am a diehard liberal or something, I am most certainly not and as conservative with my children as most right wing types are.

Genius, pure genius. Selfless, that is what this country is about.

[We need Tom Tupa]

Genius, pure genius. Selfless, that is what this country is about.

Great point. That's why Conservatives give so much to charity, more than liberals, regardless of tax rates. They fund most of the most effective programs to serve the poor in communities all across the country. Liberals, on the other hand, are willing to pay when everyone else has to pay the same (or much much more). I'm not against taking care of the poor, I'm against threatening my neighbor with prison if he doesnt want to give the "right" amount to the "right" programs.

Yes, I know I'm painting with a ridiculously broad brush here.

[Kosar_For_President]

@we-need-tom-tupa said:

Great point. That's why Conservatives give so much to charity, more than liberals, regardless of tax rates.

LINK?

[smalls1129]

@kosar_for_president said:

LINK?

http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htm

http://richiericher.wordpress.com/2008/02/...e-conservatism/

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/charit...rity-poll_N.htm

There's a couple. I was headline searching so I am not vouching for everything in them.

[Kosar_For_President]

@smalls1129 said:

http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htm

http://richiericher.wordpress.com/2008/02/...e-conservatism/

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/charit...rity-poll_N.htm

There's a couple. I was headline searching so I am not vouching for everything in them.

Cool thanks.

[osusev]

here is a rare moment Tupa and I will actually agree.

Typically Business owners/entrepreneurs make more therefore pay more in taxes and able to give more to charitable foundations.

That obviously as Tupa pointed out a gross over simplification. Greed is a powerful motive, honestly it is very hard at times for me to not want to go over and become a rank and file type of republican because it would benefit me.

[choco]

@diehardbrownsfan said:

And Obama smoking weed is an issue, he is in the highest public office. He should set an example. Not a joke, only to fools like you.

i dont think....i dont remember too many people up in arms about dubya's days of snortin whiskey and drinkin coke.....

[Westside Steve]

@choco said:

i dont think....i dont remember too many people up in arms about dubya's days of snortin whiskey and drinkin coke.....

You don't?

Proof that weed fu*ks up the memory.

WSS

[Pumpkin Eater]

I'm not sure I get the conservative logic.

It's socialism when Obama proposes it, but when a foreign country that's not Russia or Venezuela has the same policy, it's not socialism? How does that make sense?

[Westside Steve]

@pumpkin-eater said:

I'm not sure I get the conservative logic.

It's socialism when Obama proposes it, but when a foreign country that's not Russia or Venezuela has the same policy, it's not socialism? How does that make sense?

So what you're saying is that Obama is correct in implementing Russian and Venezuelan ideas into US policiy?

Actually is it only the term socialist that bothers ya?

Because those aren't the only two countries that practice some form or extent of socialism.

WSS

[choco]

@westside-steve said:

You don't?

Proof that weed fu*ks up the memory.

WSS

yup, makes me forget everything.....

you, on the otherhand, have selective memory from your kool-aide enema courtesy of the GOP. you have any opinions that are not republican talking points, steve?

[Westside Steve]

@choco said:

yup, makes me forget everything.....

you, on the otherhand, have selective memory from your kool-aide enema courtesy of the GOP. you have any opinions that are not republican talking points, steve?

Well as I often ask guys who make that baseless accusation, list a few topics in which I'm in lockstep with a party.

If you can do that I may take the time to discuss the differences.

If you can't I may point out that you're talking out your ass.

Fair?

WSS

[Kosar_For_President]

@westside-steve said:

So what you're saying is that Obama is correct in implementing Russian and Venezuelan ideas into US policiy?

Actually is it only the term socialist that bothers ya?

Because those aren't the only two countries that practice some form or extent of socialism.

WSS

Norway has the highest standard of living in the World and are socialists.

[Westside Steve]

@kosar_for_president said:

Norway has the highest standard of living in the World and are socialists.

The tenets of Jante Law are:

. You shall not think you are special.

. You shall not believe you are smarter than others.

. You shall not believe you are wiser than others.

. You shall not behave as if you are better than others.

. You shall not believe that you know more than others.

. You shall not believe that you can fix things better than others.

. You shall not laugh at others.

. You shall not believe that others care about you.

. You shall not believe that you can teach others anything.

As I've said repeatedly socialism is not evil.

It is, IMO, a completely unworkable system in our culture.

And I'd guess that even you'd admit Norway is a far different place than the US.

And a fairly rare case of socialistic success.

But in another thousand years who knows?

WSS