Browns vs. Steeler LB corps
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These Browns Board vs. Steeler troll threads are the worst.
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Wow! Go away! Stupidest thing I've seen posted on this board in a long time.... of course it had to come from a Steelers fan
http://www.steelersdepot.com/2014/09/slimmer-bell-draws-praise-future-hof-rb-ladainian-tomlinson/
Its not just my opinion. I also never said he was Barry sanders or better than Barry but he has that vision. All you have to do is watch him run. He's a much larger man than sanders but he makes people miss the same. You were the idiot saying that Brown wasn't special and that you should get similar production out of your running back platoon.
Watch from like 1:20 on and this is just a quick google search example. His vision is ridiculous. Easily the best in the league right now and he's just entering his third season. He's also coming off a ridiculous season. He's a very patient runner and he has incredible short area quickness. When some of the best running backs to play the game are singing his praises I'm gonna take their opinion over yours. The guy that said Antonio brown isn't "special" and Hawkins is better after the catch lol.
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I love Bell but I'll bite. As of now: Lynch, Peterson, Foster, Charles, Forte. Bell may pass up a few of those guys this year and most of them have injury issues but for now they're better.
Better? None of those guys are better. A few on equal footing but foster certainly isn't one of them. Bell is better than both forte and Charles. Peterson, lynch and Murray who you didn't mention I'd put there but who knows what Peterson is showing up this season.I love Bell but I'll bite. As of now: Lynch, Peterson, Foster, Charles, Forte. Bell may pass up a few of those guys this year and most of them have injury issues but for now they're better.
Bell didn't fumble the football all season long. He catches the ball something Peterson doesn't do well and none of them have his vision.
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Ok I'll concede Forte: They're the same kind of back and Forte caught more balls, I was thinking that with Pittsburgh's offensive line he'd probably produce the same in the run game. But Pittsburgh and Chicago are next to each other on run blocking rankings.
Foster is undervalued. He's almost certainly a better runner. Look at the stats. I believe he was over 100 ypg in games he was healthy for and his OL isn't much better than Houston's (3rd vs 11th). Yeah he's injury prone but I'm not factoring that here.
Charles: also injury prone but give me a break. Better back than Bell right now. Just put up 1,000 yards behind the 28th ranked run blocking OL in the league! And he's the all time career leader in ypc after a long career for crying out loud.
I don't include Murray because I don't think he's that good. Lacks almost any breakaway ability after the second level.
Yeah Bell's got great vision but again, gimme a break. These are the best backs in the league. They have plenty of vision skills. Hell Lynch's OL was the 17th ranked run blocking unit last year and he still threw up 1,300 yards. I don't believe any other back we're discussing save Peterson and Charles could do that. Bell certainly could not.
One thing he lacks is goal line run ability. Lynch is the best at it. Bell is too patient which is great on any other part of the field, but he needs to be able to pound it in.
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Ok I'll concede Forte: They're the same kind of back and Forte caught more balls, I was thinking that with Pittsburgh's offensive line he'd probably produce the same in the run game. But Pittsburgh and Chicago are next to each other on run blocking rankings.
Foster is undervalued. He's almost certainly a better runner. Look at the stats. I believe he was over 100 ypg in games he was healthy for and his OL isn't much better than Houston's (3rd vs 11th). Yeah he's injury prone but I'm not factoring that here.
Charles: also injury prone but give me a break. Better back than Bell right now. Just put up 1,000 yards behind the 28th ranked run blocking OL in the league! And he's the all time career leader in ypc after a long career for crying out loud.
I don't include Murray because I don't think he's that good. Lacks almost any breakaway ability after the second level.
Yeah Bell's got great vision but again, gimme a break. These are the best backs in the league. They have plenty of vision skills. Hell Lynch's OL was the 17th ranked run blocking unit last year and he still threw up 1,300 yards. I don't believe any other back we're discussing save Peterson and Charles could do that. Bell certainly could not.
One thing he lacks is goal line run ability. Lynch is the best at it. Bell is too patient which is great on any other part of the field, but he needs to be able to pound it in.
Ok I'll concede Forte: They're the same kind of back and Forte caught more balls, I was thinking that with Pittsburgh's offensive line he'd probably produce the same in the run game. But Pittsburgh and Chicago are next to each other on run blocking rankings.
Foster is undervalued. He's almost certainly a better runner. Look at the stats. I believe he was over 100 ypg in games he was healthy for and his OL isn't much better than Houston's (3rd vs 11th). Yeah he's injury prone but I'm not factoring that here.
Charles: also injury prone but give me a break. Better back than Bell right now. Just put up 1,000 yards behind the 28th ranked run blocking OL in the league! And he's the all time career leader in ypc after a long career for crying out loud.
I don't include Murray because I don't think he's that good. Lacks almost any breakaway ability after the second level.
Yeah Bell's got great vision but again, gimme a break. These are the best backs in the league. They have plenty of vision skills. Hell Lynch's OL was the 17th ranked run blocking unit last year and he still threw up 1,300 yards. I don't believe any other back we're discussing save Peterson and Charles could do that. Bell certainly could not.
One thing he lacks is goal line run ability. Lynch is the best at it. Bell is too patient which is great on any other part of the field, but he needs to be able to pound it in.
Solid post. Foster had a nice year but he's not as versatile. What you are t really acknowledging is the fact that bell almost went for 1400 yards, he didn't fumble the ball once and he caught it 83 times for almost 900 yards. Lynch also benefits from Wilson's mobility as teams need to worry about him taking off. Either way valid points but I don't believe its even a discussion soon.
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Bell isn't the best in the NFL, thought I would clear that up for you.
Who is better? One of the best to play the game agrees with me. (Ladanian Tomlinson). Thanks for clearing that up though, its the job of the squire to keep the king abreast of important issues. Job well done. I will give you extra time outside tomorrow. You've earned it.
Thanks for clearing that up though, its the job of the squire to keep the king abreast of important issues. Job well done. I will give you extra time outside tomorrow. You've earned it.
As the real king it is my job to help all the hopeless Vags who only look forward to being pounded by Big Ben Rapistburger
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Well, lets hear from the "experts".
The mere fact that its always about Bell and whomever else makes it a strong case for Bell being the best running back in the league right now.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap3000000399937/Is-Le-Veon-Bell-the-best-running-back-right-now
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Bell is no doubt up there with the best. I'm sure if you ask in Seattle would they trade Lynch for Bell straight up (based on ability, not contract/retirement) they'd at least consider it before refusing. Same for KC and Charles. And if you ask the steelers would they swap bell for either, they'd consider before refusing.
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Bell is no doubt up there with the best. I'm sure if you ask in Seattle would they trade Lynch for Bell straight up (based on ability, not contract/retirement) they'd at least consider it before refusing. Same for KC and Charles. And if you ask the steelers would they swap bell for either, they'd consider before refusing.
Bell is no doubt up there with the best. I'm sure if you ask in Seattle would they trade Lynch for Bell straight up (based on ability, not contract/retirement) they'd at least consider it before refusing. Same for KC and Charles. And if you ask the steelers would they swap bell for either, they'd consider before refusing.
Almost...except the Steelers would refuse without even considering it. Without a doubt.
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Thanks for clearing that up though, its the job of the squire to keep the king abreast of important issues. Job well done. I will give you extra time outside tomorrow. You've earned it.
As the real king it is my job to help all the hopeless Vags who only look forward to being pounded by Big Ben Rapistburger
As the real king it is my job to help all the hopeless Vags who only look forward to being pounded by Big Ben Rapistburger
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Bell is no doubt up there with the best. I'm sure if you ask in Seattle would they trade Lynch for Bell straight up (based on ability, not contract/retirement) they'd at least consider it before refusing. Same for KC and Charles. And if you ask the steelers would they swap bell for either, they'd consider before refusing.
Almost...except the Steelers would refuse without even considering it. Without a doubt.
Stuart said:
Almost...without a doubt the Steelers would refuse without even considering it.
Most likely.
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Thanks for clearing that up though, its the job of the squire to keep the king abreast of important issues. Job well done. I will give you extra time outside tomorrow. You've earned it.
As the real king it is my job to help all the hopeless Vags who only look forward to being pounded by Big Ben Rapistburger
As the real king it is my job to help all the hopeless Vags who only look forward to being pounded by Big Ben Rapistburger
Sooo you're a fluffer?
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Bell is no doubt up there with the best. I'm sure if you ask in Seattle would they trade Lynch for Bell straight up (based on ability, not contract/retirement) they'd at least consider it before refusing. Same for KC and Charles. And if you ask the steelers would they swap bell for either, they'd consider before refusing.
Almost...except the Steelers would refuse without even considering it. Without a doubt.
Stuart said:
Almost...except the Steelers would refuse without even considering it. Without a doubt.
No fear of his marijuana use? That year-long suspension isn't very fun. I remember saying I wouldn't trade Josh Gordon for any other receiver... until he couldn't pass a drug test...
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These Browns Board vs. Steeler troll threads are the worst.
These Browns Board vs. Steeler troll threads are the worst.
Just for that I will start a few more.
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It isn't that I hate those threads, but because of their cheap shotting,
and their stink and stupidity (a clear Troy Pollywannacrakonyu reference)...
to talk about the squealers on this board, is like Mo and "Niagra Falls"......
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Stuart said:
Almost...except the Steelers would refuse without even considering it. Without a doubt.
No fear of his marijuana use? That year-long suspension isn't very fun. I remember saying I wouldn't trade Josh Gordon for any other receiver... until he couldn't pass a drug test...
No fear of his marijuana use? That year-long suspension isn't very fun. I remember saying I wouldn't trade Josh Gordon for any other receiver... until he couldn't pass a drug test...
He's had one offence. He's got a long way to go before he grabs a year long one and honestly the steelers would probably cut him before it got to that point. No I nor anyone else in Pittsburgh are worried about the marijuana.
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@douche-nozzle said:
Those listed as playing for the Browns have one huge problem which makes it impossible to evaluate them. They play for an organization with little or no leadership and a long standing history of buffoonery......you may as well be trying to compare the Bad News Bears with a legitimate little leage team........it's all a guess at best.
Their talent can be fairly compared. While franchise instability has indeed been a factor....some others here have quoted sources that attempt to be totally neutral.
And while the Browns FO has undergone this buffonery....it is a rank amateur to the vast majority of the Steeler fan base who have made ignorance and stupidity into an art form.
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@douche-nozzle said:
Those listed as playing for the Browns have one huge problem which makes it impossible to evaluate them. They play for an organization with little or no leadership and a long standing history of buffoonery......you may as well be trying to compare the Bad News Bears with a legitimate little leage team........it's all a guess at best.
Their talent can be fairly compared. While franchise instability has indeed been a factor....some others here have quoted sources that attempt to be totally neutral.
And while the Browns FO has undergone this buffonery....it is a rank amateur to the vast majority of the Steeler fan base who have made ignorance and stupidity into an art form.
Vast majority is a huge stretch Gipper and steeler fans a majority of the time troll the fvcking hell out of the browns fan base. If the situations were reversed you could expect similar results.Their talent can be fairly compared. While franchise instability has indeed been a factor....some others here have quoted sources that attempt to be totally neutral.
And while the Browns FO has undergone this buffonery....it is a rank amateur to the vast majority of the Steeler fan base who have made ignorance and stupidity into an art form.
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Vast majority is a huge stretch Gipper and steeler fans a majority of the time troll the fvcking hell out of the browns fan base. If the situations were reversed you could expect similar results.Their talent can be fairly compared. While franchise instability has indeed been a factor....some others here have quoted sources that attempt to be totally neutral.
And while the Browns FO has undergone this buffonery....it is a rank amateur to the vast majority of the Steeler fan base who have made ignorance and stupidity into an art form.
Vast majority is a huge stretch Gipper and steeler fans a majority of the time troll the fvcking hell out of the browns fan base. If the situations were reversed you could expect similar results.
I would expect the trolling.....I would not expect the ignorance/stupidity.
Fox Sports article:
The Ten Dumbest Fan Bases in America:
8. The West Virginia Mountaineers
5. The Notre Dame Fighting Irish
1. Alabama Crimson Tide.
Note: Steelers #1 dumbest amongst all professional sport fan bases.
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Vast majority is a huge stretch Gipper and steeler fans a majority of the time troll the fvcking hell out of the browns fan base. If the situations were reversed you could expect similar results.
I would expect the trolling.....I would not expect the ignorance/stupidity.
Fox Sports article:
The Ten Dumbest Fan Bases in America:
8. The West Virginia Mountaineers
5. The Notre Dame Fighting Irish
1. Alabama Crimson Tide.
Note: Steelers #1 dumbest amongst all professional sport fan bases.
I would expect the trolling.....I would not expect the ignorance/stupidity.
Where is the ignorance and stupidity? If you want to go that route I've experienced that more here from browns fans than anyone else. Whether its talking about the browns or other teams. Thenew23 spewed some nonsense in this thread a few times for example.
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