Browns vs. Steeler LB corps
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I love Bell but I'll bite. As of now: Lynch, Peterson, Foster, Charles, Forte. Bell may pass up a few of those guys this year and most of them have injury issues but for now they're better.
Better? None of those guys are better. A few on equal footing but foster certainly isn't one of them. Bell is better than both forte and Charles. Peterson, lynch and Murray who you didn't mention I'd put there but who knows what Peterson is showing up this season.I love Bell but I'll bite. As of now: Lynch, Peterson, Foster, Charles, Forte. Bell may pass up a few of those guys this year and most of them have injury issues but for now they're better.
Bell didn't fumble the football all season long. He catches the ball something Peterson doesn't do well and none of them have his vision.
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Ok I'll concede Forte: They're the same kind of back and Forte caught more balls, I was thinking that with Pittsburgh's offensive line he'd probably produce the same in the run game. But Pittsburgh and Chicago are next to each other on run blocking rankings.
Foster is undervalued. He's almost certainly a better runner. Look at the stats. I believe he was over 100 ypg in games he was healthy for and his OL isn't much better than Houston's (3rd vs 11th). Yeah he's injury prone but I'm not factoring that here.
Charles: also injury prone but give me a break. Better back than Bell right now. Just put up 1,000 yards behind the 28th ranked run blocking OL in the league! And he's the all time career leader in ypc after a long career for crying out loud.
I don't include Murray because I don't think he's that good. Lacks almost any breakaway ability after the second level.
Yeah Bell's got great vision but again, gimme a break. These are the best backs in the league. They have plenty of vision skills. Hell Lynch's OL was the 17th ranked run blocking unit last year and he still threw up 1,300 yards. I don't believe any other back we're discussing save Peterson and Charles could do that. Bell certainly could not.
One thing he lacks is goal line run ability. Lynch is the best at it. Bell is too patient which is great on any other part of the field, but he needs to be able to pound it in.
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Ok I'll concede Forte: They're the same kind of back and Forte caught more balls, I was thinking that with Pittsburgh's offensive line he'd probably produce the same in the run game. But Pittsburgh and Chicago are next to each other on run blocking rankings.
Foster is undervalued. He's almost certainly a better runner. Look at the stats. I believe he was over 100 ypg in games he was healthy for and his OL isn't much better than Houston's (3rd vs 11th). Yeah he's injury prone but I'm not factoring that here.
Charles: also injury prone but give me a break. Better back than Bell right now. Just put up 1,000 yards behind the 28th ranked run blocking OL in the league! And he's the all time career leader in ypc after a long career for crying out loud.
I don't include Murray because I don't think he's that good. Lacks almost any breakaway ability after the second level.
Yeah Bell's got great vision but again, gimme a break. These are the best backs in the league. They have plenty of vision skills. Hell Lynch's OL was the 17th ranked run blocking unit last year and he still threw up 1,300 yards. I don't believe any other back we're discussing save Peterson and Charles could do that. Bell certainly could not.
One thing he lacks is goal line run ability. Lynch is the best at it. Bell is too patient which is great on any other part of the field, but he needs to be able to pound it in.
Ok I'll concede Forte: They're the same kind of back and Forte caught more balls, I was thinking that with Pittsburgh's offensive line he'd probably produce the same in the run game. But Pittsburgh and Chicago are next to each other on run blocking rankings.
Foster is undervalued. He's almost certainly a better runner. Look at the stats. I believe he was over 100 ypg in games he was healthy for and his OL isn't much better than Houston's (3rd vs 11th). Yeah he's injury prone but I'm not factoring that here.
Charles: also injury prone but give me a break. Better back than Bell right now. Just put up 1,000 yards behind the 28th ranked run blocking OL in the league! And he's the all time career leader in ypc after a long career for crying out loud.
I don't include Murray because I don't think he's that good. Lacks almost any breakaway ability after the second level.
Yeah Bell's got great vision but again, gimme a break. These are the best backs in the league. They have plenty of vision skills. Hell Lynch's OL was the 17th ranked run blocking unit last year and he still threw up 1,300 yards. I don't believe any other back we're discussing save Peterson and Charles could do that. Bell certainly could not.
One thing he lacks is goal line run ability. Lynch is the best at it. Bell is too patient which is great on any other part of the field, but he needs to be able to pound it in.
Solid post. Foster had a nice year but he's not as versatile. What you are t really acknowledging is the fact that bell almost went for 1400 yards, he didn't fumble the ball once and he caught it 83 times for almost 900 yards. Lynch also benefits from Wilson's mobility as teams need to worry about him taking off. Either way valid points but I don't believe its even a discussion soon.
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Bell isn't the best in the NFL, thought I would clear that up for you.
Who is better? One of the best to play the game agrees with me. (Ladanian Tomlinson). Thanks for clearing that up though, its the job of the squire to keep the king abreast of important issues. Job well done. I will give you extra time outside tomorrow. You've earned it.
Thanks for clearing that up though, its the job of the squire to keep the king abreast of important issues. Job well done. I will give you extra time outside tomorrow. You've earned it.
As the real king it is my job to help all the hopeless Vags who only look forward to being pounded by Big Ben Rapistburger
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Well, lets hear from the "experts".
The mere fact that its always about Bell and whomever else makes it a strong case for Bell being the best running back in the league right now.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-am/0ap3000000399937/Is-Le-Veon-Bell-the-best-running-back-right-now
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Bell is no doubt up there with the best. I'm sure if you ask in Seattle would they trade Lynch for Bell straight up (based on ability, not contract/retirement) they'd at least consider it before refusing. Same for KC and Charles. And if you ask the steelers would they swap bell for either, they'd consider before refusing.
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Bell is no doubt up there with the best. I'm sure if you ask in Seattle would they trade Lynch for Bell straight up (based on ability, not contract/retirement) they'd at least consider it before refusing. Same for KC and Charles. And if you ask the steelers would they swap bell for either, they'd consider before refusing.
Bell is no doubt up there with the best. I'm sure if you ask in Seattle would they trade Lynch for Bell straight up (based on ability, not contract/retirement) they'd at least consider it before refusing. Same for KC and Charles. And if you ask the steelers would they swap bell for either, they'd consider before refusing.
Almost...except the Steelers would refuse without even considering it. Without a doubt.
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Thanks for clearing that up though, its the job of the squire to keep the king abreast of important issues. Job well done. I will give you extra time outside tomorrow. You've earned it.
As the real king it is my job to help all the hopeless Vags who only look forward to being pounded by Big Ben Rapistburger
As the real king it is my job to help all the hopeless Vags who only look forward to being pounded by Big Ben Rapistburger
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Bell is no doubt up there with the best. I'm sure if you ask in Seattle would they trade Lynch for Bell straight up (based on ability, not contract/retirement) they'd at least consider it before refusing. Same for KC and Charles. And if you ask the steelers would they swap bell for either, they'd consider before refusing.
Almost...except the Steelers would refuse without even considering it. Without a doubt.
Stuart said:
Almost...without a doubt the Steelers would refuse without even considering it.
Most likely.
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Thanks for clearing that up though, its the job of the squire to keep the king abreast of important issues. Job well done. I will give you extra time outside tomorrow. You've earned it.
As the real king it is my job to help all the hopeless Vags who only look forward to being pounded by Big Ben Rapistburger
As the real king it is my job to help all the hopeless Vags who only look forward to being pounded by Big Ben Rapistburger
Sooo you're a fluffer?
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Bell is no doubt up there with the best. I'm sure if you ask in Seattle would they trade Lynch for Bell straight up (based on ability, not contract/retirement) they'd at least consider it before refusing. Same for KC and Charles. And if you ask the steelers would they swap bell for either, they'd consider before refusing.
Almost...except the Steelers would refuse without even considering it. Without a doubt.
Stuart said:
Almost...except the Steelers would refuse without even considering it. Without a doubt.
No fear of his marijuana use? That year-long suspension isn't very fun. I remember saying I wouldn't trade Josh Gordon for any other receiver... until he couldn't pass a drug test...
#Justsayin' -
These Browns Board vs. Steeler troll threads are the worst.
These Browns Board vs. Steeler troll threads are the worst.
Just for that I will start a few more.
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It isn't that I hate those threads, but because of their cheap shotting,
and their stink and stupidity (a clear Troy Pollywannacrakonyu reference)...
to talk about the squealers on this board, is like Mo and "Niagra Falls"......
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Stuart said:
Almost...except the Steelers would refuse without even considering it. Without a doubt.
No fear of his marijuana use? That year-long suspension isn't very fun. I remember saying I wouldn't trade Josh Gordon for any other receiver... until he couldn't pass a drug test...
No fear of his marijuana use? That year-long suspension isn't very fun. I remember saying I wouldn't trade Josh Gordon for any other receiver... until he couldn't pass a drug test...
He's had one offence. He's got a long way to go before he grabs a year long one and honestly the steelers would probably cut him before it got to that point. No I nor anyone else in Pittsburgh are worried about the marijuana.
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@douche-nozzle said:
Those listed as playing for the Browns have one huge problem which makes it impossible to evaluate them. They play for an organization with little or no leadership and a long standing history of buffoonery......you may as well be trying to compare the Bad News Bears with a legitimate little leage team........it's all a guess at best.
Their talent can be fairly compared. While franchise instability has indeed been a factor....some others here have quoted sources that attempt to be totally neutral.
And while the Browns FO has undergone this buffonery....it is a rank amateur to the vast majority of the Steeler fan base who have made ignorance and stupidity into an art form.
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@douche-nozzle said:
Those listed as playing for the Browns have one huge problem which makes it impossible to evaluate them. They play for an organization with little or no leadership and a long standing history of buffoonery......you may as well be trying to compare the Bad News Bears with a legitimate little leage team........it's all a guess at best.
Their talent can be fairly compared. While franchise instability has indeed been a factor....some others here have quoted sources that attempt to be totally neutral.
And while the Browns FO has undergone this buffonery....it is a rank amateur to the vast majority of the Steeler fan base who have made ignorance and stupidity into an art form.
Vast majority is a huge stretch Gipper and steeler fans a majority of the time troll the fvcking hell out of the browns fan base. If the situations were reversed you could expect similar results.Their talent can be fairly compared. While franchise instability has indeed been a factor....some others here have quoted sources that attempt to be totally neutral.
And while the Browns FO has undergone this buffonery....it is a rank amateur to the vast majority of the Steeler fan base who have made ignorance and stupidity into an art form.
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Vast majority is a huge stretch Gipper and steeler fans a majority of the time troll the fvcking hell out of the browns fan base. If the situations were reversed you could expect similar results.Their talent can be fairly compared. While franchise instability has indeed been a factor....some others here have quoted sources that attempt to be totally neutral.
And while the Browns FO has undergone this buffonery....it is a rank amateur to the vast majority of the Steeler fan base who have made ignorance and stupidity into an art form.
Vast majority is a huge stretch Gipper and steeler fans a majority of the time troll the fvcking hell out of the browns fan base. If the situations were reversed you could expect similar results.
I would expect the trolling.....I would not expect the ignorance/stupidity.
Fox Sports article:
The Ten Dumbest Fan Bases in America:
8. The West Virginia Mountaineers
5. The Notre Dame Fighting Irish
1. Alabama Crimson Tide.
Note: Steelers #1 dumbest amongst all professional sport fan bases.
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Vast majority is a huge stretch Gipper and steeler fans a majority of the time troll the fvcking hell out of the browns fan base. If the situations were reversed you could expect similar results.
I would expect the trolling.....I would not expect the ignorance/stupidity.
Fox Sports article:
The Ten Dumbest Fan Bases in America:
8. The West Virginia Mountaineers
5. The Notre Dame Fighting Irish
1. Alabama Crimson Tide.
Note: Steelers #1 dumbest amongst all professional sport fan bases.
I would expect the trolling.....I would not expect the ignorance/stupidity.
Where is the ignorance and stupidity? If you want to go that route I've experienced that more here from browns fans than anyone else. Whether its talking about the browns or other teams. Thenew23 spewed some nonsense in this thread a few times for example.
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I would expect the trolling.....I would not expect the ignorance/stupidity.
Where is the ignorance and stupidity? If you want to go that route I've experienced that more here from browns fans than anyone else. Whether its talking about the browns or other teams. Thenew23 spewed some nonsense in this thread a few times for example.
Where is the ignorance and stupidity?
Oozing out of every pore.
If you want to go that route I've experienced that more here from browns fans than anyone else. Whether its talking about the browns or other teams. Thenew23 spewed some nonsense in this thread a few times for example.
You mistake stupidity for being bitch slapped by Browns fans.
Someone provides you a factoid that is not adoring of a Steeler player....and you insist that neutral, mathematical statistics are wrong....because they do not say what you want them to say.
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Where is the ignorance and stupidity?
Oozing out of every pore.
If you want to go that route I've experienced that more here from browns fans than anyone else. Whether its talking about the browns or other teams. Thenew23 spewed some nonsense in this thread a few times for example.
You mistake stupidity for being bitch slapped by Browns fans.
Someone provides you a factoid that is not adoring of a Steeler player....and you insist that neutral, mathematical statistics are wrong....because they do not say what you want them to say.
Gipper Antonio brown isn't a special receiver and Hawkins is better after the catch? Seriously?Where is the ignorance and stupidity?
Oozing out of every pore.
If you want to go that route I've experienced that more here from browns fans than anyone else. Whether its talking about the browns or other teams. Thenew23 spewed some nonsense in this thread a few times for example.
You mistake stupidity for being bitch slapped by Browns fans.
Someone provides you a factoid that is not adoring of a Steeler player....and you insist that neutral, mathematical statistics are wrong....because they do not say what you want them to say.
West and Crowell are just as good as Bell? Neither have any sort of footing in reality.
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